What do the profilers say?

[Linda7NJ]

I agree with #2. But what makes you so sure the note was written after she was dead? There's a school of thought that the intruder wrote it while waiting for the Ramsey's to return home...

The note was bogus from the start. There was never a plan to kidnap & ransom Jon Benet, isn't that obvious? What, the kidnapper decided at the last moment to molest & murder her as opposed to kidnapping her for money...then carried the note upstairs and placed it on the steps? An intruder certainly wouldn't place the RN on the stairs then proceed to molest & murder her. An intruder wouldn't cover her with the blanket from her bed.

Ransom kidnappers are not pedophiles, they are entirely two different animals.

That note was written after Jon Benet was killed and it was written in a lame attempt to explain it.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

I think it was written after she was dead, but that's because I believe Patsy wrote because JonBenet was already dead.

What intruder sits and waits for a family to return on Christmas Day, whiling away the hours by writing ransom notes? How could any intruder even be sure the Ramseys would be home that evening, with the daughter he intended to kidnap? Maybe she had made plans to spend the night at a friend's house. If it was an intruder, it was someone who knew the Ramseys well enough to know that lying in wait for them to return home with JonBenet would pay off.

And I keep asking myself this: if it was an intruder, why not kidnap Burke also or instead? They felt comfortable enough to not only sit around writing notes but molesting and strangling the child in her own house, why not really get John Ramsey and attack his son, too? And what intruder feels so at ease in the home of the people he's targeting that he stops to molest the child he's abducting with an EA device before he even gets her out of the house? Someone who lives there did this to JonBenet, and Patsy wrote the ransom note to cover it up.

 

[BrendaStar]

JR is not from the south. Born in Nebraska and educated in Michigan.

This profiler has just cleared PR.

I guess you never heard that "Use that good southern common sense of yours" was an inside family joke of the Ramseys, being that Patsy was from West Virginie. So the profiler has not cleared PR. :banghead: :banghead:

 

[Nuisanceposter]

I guess you never heard that "Use that good southern common sense of yours" was an inside family joke of the Ramseys, being that Patsy was from West Virginie. So the profiler has not cleared PR. :banghead: :banghead:

And you can't just pick out that one thing and decide the rest of his profile is invalid. The rest of it all points directly at Patsy.

 

[Zman]

I guess you never heard that "Use that good southern common sense of yours" was an inside family joke of the Ramseys, being that Patsy was from West Virginie. So the profiler has not cleared PR. :banghead: :banghead:

We are not talking about a inside family joke here BrendaStar we are talking about what Roger L. Depue, Chief of the FBI's Behavioural Science Unit wrote down in his profile of the RN. Like it or not.

Yes I've heard it a thousand times.

Thats not what the profiler said.

He said The writer is likely from the South, and knows that Ramsey is too

It also shows the profiler didn't do his homework or he would know JR is not from the south.

It also would clear any other family member or friend who would know where JR is from.
You can throw the whole profile away if you want, I would. But lets not argue over whats right in front of us.

 

[IrishMist]

The note was bogus from the start. There was never a plan to kidnap & ransom Jon Benet, isn't that obvious? What, the kidnapper decided at the last moment to molest & murder her as opposed to kidnapping her for money...then carried the note upstairs and placed it on the steps? An intruder certainly wouldn't place the RN on the stairs then proceed to molest & murder her. An intruder wouldn't cover her with the blanket from her bed.

Ransom kidnappers are not pedophiles, they are entirely two different animals.

That note was written after Jon Benet was killed and it was written in a lame attempt to explain it.

Ahh, gotcha! Now I see what you mean. Thanks!

 

[sandraladeda]

The note was bogus from the start. There was never a plan to kidnap & ransom Jon Benet, isn't that obvious? What, the kidnapper decided at the last moment to molest & murder her as opposed to kidnapping her for money...then carried the note upstairs and placed it on the steps? An intruder certainly wouldn't place the RN on the stairs then proceed to molest & murder her. An intruder wouldn't cover her with the blanket from her bed.

Ransom kidnappers are not pedophiles, they are entirely two different animals.

That note was written after Jon Benet was killed and it was written in a lame attempt to explain it.

Makes a great deal of sense to me...

 

[trixie]

We are not talking about a inside family joke here BrendaStar we are talking about what Roger L. Depue, Chief of the FBI's Behavioural Science Unit wrote down in his profile of the RN. Like it or not.

Yes I've heard it a thousand times.

Thats not what the profiler said.

He said The writer is likely from the South, and knows that Ramsey is too

It also shows the profiler didn't do his homework or he would know JR is not from the south.

It also would clear any other family member or friend who would know where JR is from.
You can throw the whole profile away if you want, I would. But lets not argue over whats right in front of us.

John Ramsey moved to Boulder, Colorado from Atlanta, Georgia. That's where he was from. Atlanta, Georgia. Everybody he worked with and dealt with in any other way knew he just moved to Boulder from Atlanta, Georgia, I'm sure. Of course Patsy knew it. If you lived 15 years in a city and state (not where you were born) and then moved to another city and state and then when you started meeting people at work, church, whatever, and they asked where you were from would you tell them WHERE YOU WERE BORN? OR WHERE YOU WERE EDUCATED? No, you'd tell them where you moved there from. Your argument holds no water on this one, ZMAN.

 

[HeartofTexas]

It's also important to remember that there were 2 sets of stairs in the Ramsey home, and very few people would have known that PR came down the back stairs in the morning, rather than the main set of stairs. How would an intruder have known that the RN would be seen first thing in the morning if placed on the back stairs? Few people would have selected the back stairs as the place to leave the RN PR is one of the few who would think to leave it there, IMO.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

That is a rather important point to keep in mind. Why choose the back stairs over the main staircase? I can't really see leaving a ransom note spread across the stairs anyway, I would think on the kitchen table or counter near the coffee maker would be a more likely location. Or even on the bed of the child being kidnapped. Of course, if I was leaving a ransom note, I'd also be sure to take the child I was ransoming.

 

[Zman]

John Ramsey moved to Boulder, Colorado from Atlanta, Georgia. That's where he was from. Atlanta, Georgia. Everybody he worked with and dealt with in any other way knew he just moved to Boulder from Atlanta, Georgia, I'm sure. Of course Patsy knew it. If you lived 15 years in a city and state (not where you were born) and then moved to another city and state and then when you started meeting people at work, church, whatever, and they asked where you were from would you tell them WHERE YOU WERE BORN? OR WHERE YOU WERE EDUCATED? No, you'd tell them where you moved there from. Your argument holds no water on this one, ZMAN.

For once somebodys making sense. Good job Trixie.

Everybody he worked with and dealt with in any other way knew he just moved to Boulder from Atlanta, Georgia, I'm sure.

Not your wife trixie. Your wife knows where your from.

And Trixie, my argument holds more water than Roseanne PMSing.

 

[trixie]

"My argument holds more water than Rosanne PMSing??" That's very funny! Didn't know you had a sense of humor Zman.

John said on more than one occasion he just wanted to get his family home to Atlanta. He said Atlanta was thier home. I would think Patsy would know he considered Atlanta his home. You can't win this one, Zman. The Ramseys have opened thier mouths too much about Atlanta being "home".

(Read Death of Innocence, by guess who?)

 

[Zman]

"My argument holds more water than Rosanne PMSing??" That's very funny! Didn't know you had a sense of humor Zman.

John said on more than one occasion he just wanted to get his family home to Atlanta. He said Atlanta was thier home. I would think Patsy would know he considered Atlanta his home. You can't win this one, Zman. The Ramseys have opened thier mouths too much about Atlanta being "home".

(Read Death of Innocence, by guess who?)

Just gonna have to disagree then.
JR is not from Atlanta even if he considers it his familys home. He is not a born and bred southerner with "good old southern common sense" and I think it's a blatent mistake by someone trying to lay blame at PR's feet.

 

[trixie]

I can agree to disagree.

 

[Zman]

It's also important to remember that there were 2 sets of stairs in the Ramsey home, and very few people would have known that PR came down the back stairs in the morning, rather than the main set of stairs. How would an intruder have known that the RN would be seen first thing in the morning if placed on the back stairs? Few people would have selected the back stairs as the place to leave the RN PR is one of the few who would think to leave it there, IMO.

See and I think if PR would of wrote that note she'd have done the obvious thing and left it on JBR's bed. Some people see this as pointing to her. I see it as pointing away from her.

 

[Cranberry]

See and I think if PR would of wrote that note she'd have done the obvious thing and left it on JBR's bed. Some people see this as pointing to her. I see it as pointing away from her.

The note on the stairs leans toward the note being written AFTER she was taken from her bed (not written while lying in wait for them to come home) because it would have been left up there when she was taken from her bed. It was pristine and not wrinkled like it would be while carrying a child downstairs. IMO

 

[tipper]

It's also important to remember that there were 2 sets of stairs in the Ramsey home, and very few people would have known that PR came down the back stairs in the morning, rather than the main set of stairs. How would an intruder have known that the RN would be seen first thing in the morning if placed on the back stairs? Few people would have selected the back stairs as the place to leave the RN PR is one of the few who would think to leave it there, IMO.

Why would it matter whether or not Patsy found the note "first thing in the morning?" If an intruder left the note he would know that at some point that morning it would be discovered that the child wasn't in her bed. In looking for her a full search of the house would, sooner or later, lead to the discovery of the note.

 

[tipper]

The note on the stairs leans toward the note being written AFTER she was taken from her bed (not written while lying in wait for them to come home) because it would have been left up there when she was taken from her bed. It was pristine and not wrinkled like it would be while carrying a child downstairs. IMO

Unless it was left on the back stairs just prior to going up and carrying her down the front stairs which would be easier to navigate with a sleepiing child. Where it was left has no bearing on when it was written.

 

[Cranberry]

Unless it was left on the back stairs just prior to going up and carrying her down the front stairs which would be easier to navigate with a sleepiing child. Where it was left has no bearing on when it was written.

Was the garland found in her hair from the back staircase?

 

[UKGuy]

Why would it matter whether or not Patsy found the note "first thing in the morning?" If an intruder left the note he would know that at some point that morning it would be discovered that the child wasn't in her bed. In looking for her a full search of the house would, sooner or later, lead to the discovery of the note.

tipper,
It may matter to Patsy, particularly if she was its author, since she may want to influence how you interpret what she recollects as fact. She may require a motive to call 911 at the time she did and not later, that is she wants to feel she is in control of the timeline about to unravel.

That is she may want the focus to be downstairs rather than upstairs, and also JonBenet's body may not have been in the wine-cellar, when she made the 911 call, the scene she expected to confront law enforcement with, may not be not be the one John Ramsey revealed to everyone later that day!