What do you think really happened? Nothing makes sense.

[MBK]

Wasn't it posted that MP said on his FB that he loved 'working from home.' ???????

And riiight next door, there was someone who said on HER facebook that she LOVES being a "stay at home mom".

Ya think . . .

 

[Noway]

I really don't think she was selling them for sex or anything like that.

I think it boils down to the fact that Tarah herself was an abuse victim and is severely damaged from it. Things that would seem obvious to those of us who think clearly and have never been a victim of abuse, are not seen by her in the same way. I'm thankful that many are able to overcome abuse and go on to live normal happy lives and break the cycle, but I don't believe that Tarah was one of them. I think there is a lot of denial going on in her family, and sadly it cost Aliahna her precious life.

I don't know why they were staying with Mike. Maybe she wasn't feeling well, and perhaps he said he offered to take the girls for a few days until she was feeling better, etc. The grandma said they had sleepovers etc., so sadly, I don't think it was out of the norm. Again, as an abuse victim, her judgement is clouded by so many things. Possibly drugs too. And Mike, as a predator, knows just when to strike as the "caring, concerned friend."

I didn't know this and am still catching up ... abused by who? TIA

 

[MBK]

I would say Aliahnas of the world don't grow up to be anything because they don't make it out alive. And there have been zero evidence provided that TS herself was abused. Apparently she adored her daddy.

Codependent . . damaged beyond repair . . . .TS probably didn't know the meaning of the word love. The kind of love she knew . . hurt.

 

[menmo]

Wasn't it posted that MP said on his FB that he loved 'working from home.' ???????

Right! Something like self employed and loving it
sigh

 

[deoneta]

I don't know what to think! I don't think TS ever imagined her child would be murdered. The first thing that crossed my mind when this story broke was that TS (and possibly AS) had made these girls available to MP in exchange for drugs or cash. Then I started learning about this tawdry, too close for comfort web of wierdos surrounding the family. I then thought OMG, a child-, child exploitation ring of some sort. Now I've backed off it being an organized, for profit enterprise. I do think MP is an evil man who took advantage of a situation which was perfect for his sick purposes, but my opinion of the family and their intertwined circle is a little different, now. I think these people don't respect normal boundaries or what most of us would find appropriate behavior. Among them, there seem to be swingers (my interpretation), people into alternative life styles (fetlife) and an easy acceptance of molestation. I think these people feel about child molestation the same way a lot of people might feel about adultery, i.e, adultery isn't really "right", but things happen, lots of people do it, and it doesn't define the whole person. I don't think TS is without feelings. I think she grieves for her father and her child. I don't think this was a business deal for her. I do think she just didn't have the normal fears about what might happen in a situation like this because she didn't think it was any big deal. In her skewed view of the world, the usual feelings of wanting to care for and protect loved ones was replaced by self gratification, doing whatever felt good at the moment and letting everyone else, even children, fend for themselves as best they could. All MOO.

 

[Noway]

It does not make sense to me why she moved there in the first place.

MP was a live-in caretaker for her dad, and it didn't seem like he wanted out ... I mean he was there until the end, even after TS and Family moved back "to take care of her dad."

If she wanted to see him before he died, why not just visit. Why move into that trailer park?

 

[menmo]

I don't know what to think! I don't think TS ever imagined her child would be murdered. The first thing that crossed my mind when this story broke was that TS (and possibly AS) had made these girls available to MP in exchange for drugs or cash. Then I started learning about this tawdry, too close for comfort web of wierdos surrounding the family. I then thought OMG, a child-, child exploitation ring of some sort. Now I've backed off it being an organized, for profit enterprise. I do think MP is an evil man who took advantage of a situation which was perfect for his sick purposes, but my opinion of the family and their intertwined circle is a little different, now. I think these people don't respect normal boundaries or what most of us would find appropriate behavior. Among them, there seem to be swingers (my interpretation), people into alternative life styles (fetlife) and an easy acceptance of molestation. I think these people feel about child molestation the same way a lot of people might feel about adultery, i.e, adultery isn't really "right", but things happen, lots of people do it, and it doesn't define the whole person. I don't think TS is without feelings. I think she grieves for her father and her child. I don't think this was a business deal for her. I do think she just didn't have the normal fears about what might happen in a situation like this because she didn't think it was any big deal. In her skewed view of the world, the usual feelings of wanting to care for and protect loved ones was replaced by self gratification, doing whatever felt good at the moment and letting everyone else, even children, fend for themselves as best they could. All MOO.

My thoughts exactly. Well said.

 

[katydid23]

I would say Aliahnas of the world don't grow up to be anything because they don't make it out alive. And there have been zero evidence provided that TS herself was abused. Apparently she adored her daddy.

But just because she seemingly 'adored' her Daddy, that does not mean she was never abused by him. Quite often kids DO adore their adult abusers. Incestuous relationships sometimes spill over into adulthood and make things very confusing, chaotic and unpredictable.

I do think she might have been abused by her father. No evidence, just seems that way, imo. The way Grandma was in such denial of MP led me top believe that is how Grandpa's RSO status was dealt with as well. And since we heard that TS used to let her girls spend a lot of time with her father, who she knew was an RSO, that is bizarre. Sometimes, in long term incestuous relationships, there are no boundaries left anymore.

 

[bessie]

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[IRule254]

I *just* started following this case so please, please forgive me if this has been mentioned a million times... But why in the world was a NINE year old 45 pounds and 48 inches?!?!

I have a proportionate 5 year old that weighs 44 pounds?! And she turned 5 just a week ago.

I know she had some other disabilities but, man, that is a small 9 year old.

 

[my_tee_mouse]

I am also a RN (verified) and have nursed hundreds detoxing from many drugs and also have never seen paralysis.
AFAIK paralysis is a neurological symptom or a conversion syndrome (hysteria)
So yes, I call BS too.

OTOH I have yet to see any drug convictions related to this motley crew, has anyone else?

And as a RN (verified), you can verify the fact that there are a number of disabilities that mimic flu symptoms, whose symptoms come and go, and whose symptoms are exacerbated by stress?

 

[my_tee_mouse]

I would say Aliahnas of the world don't grow up to be anything because they don't make it out alive. And there have been zero evidence provided that TS herself was abused. Apparently she adored her daddy.

And there's been zero evidence that TS is guilty of any number of atrociticies attributed to her in these threads. And yes, The Aliahanas of the world do often grow up...trust me.

 

[Chris_Texas]

I don't know what to think! I don't think TS ever imagined her child would be murdered. The first thing that crossed my mind when this story broke was that TS (and possibly AS) had made these girls available to MP in exchange for drugs or cash. Then I started learning about this tawdry, too close for comfort web of wierdos surrounding the family. I then thought OMG, a child-, child exploitation ring of some sort. Now I've backed off it being an organized, for profit enterprise. I do think MP is an evil man who took advantage of a situation which was perfect for his sick purposes, but my opinion of the family and their intertwined circle is a little different, now. I think these people don't respect normal boundaries or what most of us would find appropriate behavior. Among them, there seem to be swingers (my interpretation), people into alternative life styles (fetlife) and an easy acceptance of molestation. I think these people feel about child molestation the same way a lot of people might feel about adultery, i.e, adultery isn't really "right", but things happen, lots of people do it, and it doesn't define the whole person. I don't think TS is without feelings. I think she grieves for her father and her child. I don't think this was a business deal for her. I do think she just didn't have the normal fears about what might happen in a situation like this because she didn't think it was any big deal. In her skewed view of the world, the usual feelings of wanting to care for and protect loved ones was replaced by self gratification, doing whatever felt good at the moment and letting everyone else, even children, fend for themselves as best they could. All MOO.

Very well said.

 

[simlyme]

What do I think "really" happened?
MOO

I think this was the straw that broke the camels back.

I think all along,for as far back as we can look into this family, they have been living on the edge, Aliahna had been "hurt" many times before, did anyone make an effort to right the wrongs?

How about the siblings? Have they been hurt? Have they shown any signs of being "hurt"?
Take, Aliahna, she went to public school, she spent all those hours with teachers, right? Did any of them EVER get an inkling as to what was going on with A? If so,did ANY of them bury their heads, I think so.

How about Tarah? There's something not quite right, we know that just from the VERY minut things we're learning on a very small scale on the internet that she "lived" an atrocious life and her job was to be an example to her children,thats what a mothers job is right?

Theres an old saying " If you hang out at the barber shop long enough you'll eventually get a hair cut".

I believe that Aliahna is where she is today because the very person that was supposed to protect her chose not to, because she didnt want to, not because she couldnt.She does NOT cherish her children. Period.

Yes, I know Michael Plumadore killed Aliahna, but, her mother & father put her there, they chose the life they're living, anyone CAN turn there life around if they want to, it may not be easy,but living life on the straight path isnt always easy either.

I can say for sure,that any of us that are "trying" to raise our children with love and care,and had the opportunity to be a little mouse in Aliahnas house for 1 day, would have ran out and thought "IT was inevidible" that something like this would happen.
A perfect example of a disaster waiting to happen.

The shame and disgrace of it all is that Aliahna isnt the first nor will she be the last.

 

[Chris_Texas]

And there's been zero evidence that TS is guilty of any number of atrociticies attributed to her in these threads. And yes, The Aliahanas of the world do often grow up...trust me.

True on both counts. There is, as yet, no fire, but the smoke is as heavy as a Sumo wrestler at an all-you-can-eat buffet.

 

[billisbobby]

I *just* started following this case so please, please forgive me if this has been mentioned a million times... But why in the world was a NINE year old 45 pounds and 48 inches?!?!

I have a proportionate 5 year old that weighs 44 pounds?! And she turned 5 just a week ago.

I know she had some other disabilities but, man, that is a small 9 year old.

She was very small for her age imoo. My neighbor's toddler is 38 inches tall and weighs 35 pounds. I'm sure heredity figured into Ali's weight and height. Along with stress and having been sexually abused--- at least twice. imoo

 

[billisbobby]

What do I think "really" happened?
MOO

I think this was the straw that broke the camels back.

I think all along,for as far back as we can look into this family, they have been living on the edge, Aliahna had been "hurt" many times before, did anyone make an effort to right the wrongs?

How about the siblings? Have they been hurt? Have they shown any signs of being "hurt"?
Take, Aliahna, she went to public school, she spent all those hours with teachers, right? Did any of them EVER get an inkling as to what was going on with A? If so,did ANY of them bury their heads, I think so.

How about Tarah? There's something not quite right, we know that just from the VERY minut things we're learning on a very small scale on the internet that she "lived" an atrocious life and her job was to be an example to her children,thats what a mothers job is right?

Theres an old saying " If you hang out at the barber shop long enough you'll eventually get a hair cut".

I believe that Aliahna is where she is today because the very person that was supposed to protect her chose not to, because she didnt want to, not because she couldnt.She does NOT cherish her children. Period.

Yes, I know Michael Plumadore killed Aliahna, but, her mother & father put her there, they chose the life they're living, anyone CAN turn there life around if they want to, it may not be easy,but living life on the straight path isnt always easy either.

I can say for sure,that any of us that are "trying" to raise our children with love and care,and had the opportunity to be a little mouse in Aliahnas house for 1 day, would have ran out and thought "IT was inevidible" that something like this would happen.
A perfect example of a disaster waiting to happen.

The shame and disgrace of it all is that Aliahna isnt the first nor will she be the last.

simlyme,
I agree wholeheartedly. Especially the portions I bolded.
bbm
imoo

 

[billisbobby]

True on both counts. There is, as yet, no fire, but the smoke is as heavy as a Sumo wrestler at an all-you-can-eat buffet.

That's a great way to put it. lol

Seriously, I have NO doubt in my mind that T knew what was going on with her child. I agree with Sim, T put her child in the hands of MP! That so called mom will get no pass from me. imoo

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Why would you go to rehab over christmas ..wouldnt another time be easier on the family?

I see your point regarding Christmas being a hard time on the family for a parent to go into rehab.
However, one of my close relatives did just that...this person did not want to miss her grandbabies during this special time of year.
However...like the good nurse said..."Do you want to see your "babies" this year, then never again..or do you want to get well so that you can see them for many years to come?" It is like life and death surgery to some...waiting may be too late.
This is my experience...and I could relate other examples of rehab during Mother's Day, etc...but getting well is actually the best gift, because death is often the alternative.
JMO

 

[simlyme]

I think these people feel about child molestation the same way a lot of people might feel about adultery, i.e, adultery isn't really "right", but things happen, lots of people do it, and it doesn't define the whole person. All MOO.

I cut alot of your post out to talk about this one thought you had.I know its hard to try to explain our feeling online sometimes, Ill try my best here.

Adultry is what "adults" do conciously, KWIM?
Child molestation or any form of it to me is probably one of the worst things ANYONE can do.
The childs rights,innocense,ETC are completely taken from them, it is a brutal barbaric act.
I think these people KNOW whats right from wrong or else they wouldnt keep it private.
When anyone is engaged in adultry, they eventually have a choice, they can stay with that person or they can leave.
A child has no choice,after molestation. They have been completely robbed.