What does LE know that they aren't releasing to the public?

[Jade2010]

LE knows that there was no true MFH.

 

[SleuthyGal]

What does LE know that they aren't releasing to the public?

Everything.

LE is not saying one word about their findings, what evidence they've collected, results of any forensic tests, where they are in the investigation, etc., etc.

And they're not going to say anything. Professional police depts and detectives don't talk and don't disclose information to the public unless they have a need to do so.

So...they will always know everything they've amassed in a case and we, the public, will not.

/the end

 

[krowdkat]

Not only that, SleuthyGirl, LE will know when the perp discloses something to them that LE or media hasn't disclosed to the public. Good post!

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Why just Kaine's side of the family? Why not look at Desiree and her side of the family also? Why not check out her husband (in LE). After all, what kind of man falls for a woman who doesn't have custody of either of her children? Judgmental I know. But goose,gander.

Well, in most cases, only one parent has physical custody and the other has visitation. I don't think being the non-custodial parent is any indicator of a flaw in character. While it is custom in this country for mothers to be the default parent, there are many situations in which it makes sense for the father to be the primary caretaker. For example, if the father is a teacher and the mother a nurse, the mother might have to work late or overnight shifts and the father may be able to better supervise the children after school and on vacations. Also, some children may have special needs that are better met by one parent (e.g., lifting disabled children) or the non-custodial parent may have other obligations (a spouse or parent with cancer) or health problems of his or her own. And for some kids, it may come down to the worse of two evils. When I was a kid, I was fearful that my battling parents would divorce, and I prayed hard that my dad would take me because my mother was a ball of narcissistic rage. I preferred my dad's workaholic ways and his unpredictable drinking.

So the answer to your questions would be that the "kind of man [who] falls for a woman who doesn't have custody of..her children" depends on what kind of woman it is and what kind of man it is. A woman who gave up custody to benefit the kids could be a true hero, and the man who loves her then would be a smart cookie. I do get the point that there are two parents and two step-parents here, but only one side seems to be getting scrutiny. It is a reasonable assumption, though, that LE has checked out the whereabouts of all of these people at the time Kyron disappeared.

 

[krowdkat]

In my case I moved out of my home state and married a man way far away from my family. His family happened to have 3 lawyers and a bunch of money behind them.

I had a bunch of love for my children and family way far away in another state.

I DON'T care what circumstances ANYONE may be facing, if you aren't guilty of a crime, your children will not be seperated from you. Maybe temporarily, but not the long haul.

It will be very interesting for me, to say the least, to see if TH gets visitation right to her dauther and son, in the near future. I have a feeling that LE is testifying before the GJ this week because they don't want TH around any of her children. Why?!? If they don't fully believe that she is responsible for Kyron's disappearance?

 

[just]

Everything.

LE is not saying one word about their findings, what evidence they've collected, results of any forensic tests, where they are in the investigation, etc., etc.

And they're not going to say anything. Professional police depts and detectives don't talk and don't disclose information to the public unless they have a need to do so.

So...they will always know everything they've amassed in a case and we, the public, will not.

/the end

I agree with this. I keep thinking how the LE has said, over and over, their job is to bring Kyron home. Play back the pressers, time and time again they answer questions from reporters about why they aren't releasing info with 'our job is to bring Kyron home.' Really think about that one in light of the little known evidence (BBM). Their job is not to tell the public the details of the case. They need to keep things up their sleeves to corroborate the kooks from the real witnesses. If they feel that it serves their interest to leave TH out to spin more lies or be willing to make a deal out of lonely desperation (gosh, she can't even sext now!), then that's what they'll do. Wait and watch. She's not going anywhere.

Specifically, I think witnesses saw TH walk back and forth in that truck that morning, and drive to a different spot when she picked up Kyron after she was seen "leaving" w/o him.

I also think this case has the hallmarks of OJ case - that she purposely kept a very short timeline to 'prove' her innocence, but it doesn't take long for a hand-off or, as with OJ, a murder, especially against a defenseless boy -- some ropes to bind him, something heavy to weigh him down, and a deep waterway to push him into (although I'm still very hopeful there was a hand-off to crazies) - equally not time consuming if there was a plan and could be specifically why they want to know if people saw TH *outside* Freddies as there is video surveillance (and a witness who was interviewed) on the inside. Outside, she may have been seen talking to someone on the phone or in person -- you have to wonder how dumb she would be to do a hand off there, but how dumb is hiring a landscaper to kill your husband or to sext that guy under surveillance or go on blogs defending yourself? Dumb.

 

[krowdkat]

Just, you are spot on. My family member (who was in LE) use to tell us about all the kooks who would call in and confess to JFK's murder. This was in the 90's. LE sometimes needs a HUGE filter. LOL

A tip is a tip, nonetheless. If ignored...defense attorneys have a field trip day.

 

[Kimster]

Why just Kaine's side of the family? Why not look at Desiree and her side of the family also? Why not check out her husband (in LE). After all, what kind of man falls for a woman who doesn't have custody of either of her children? Judgmental I know. But goose,gander.

We are not sleuthing Kaine or Desiree nor are we suggesting they committed a crime.

Those are the rules here.

 

[Leila]

This is not a bash LE thread - so please don't do it! Thanks!

I'm thinking that LE knows whether someone saw TH leave with Kyron or not. Something concrete. IMO, this is why they were bold enough to release the first flyer with TH and the truck on it.

What is your speculation on what LE knows that we don't know?

I agree that LE knows whether someone saw Kyron leave with TH or not, as that's one thing they won't confirm either way.

I think LE also knows the time line for TH and DD with the exception of knowing exactly where TH was during the missing 90 minutes. I think they have ping locations, but not an exact place.

I also think LE has interviewed people at the gym that day and knows if Baby K was fussy and appeared to have an earache. They've asked people who were there about TH's demeanor.

I think LE knows if the person seen in or near the Korman pick-up truck at the school was male or female. They've seemed to rule out that it was DD, so they're looking at another individual. I think they might have an idea who that person is, but need further confirmation.

I think LE also has firm knowledge of who, what, where, and when at the school that morning. They know who saw Kyron - when and where that morning and who saw TH - when and where.

Another thing that LE knows.........they've seemed to zero in on this being a case of parental abduction vs a stranger abduction very quickly. I think they have some sort of evidence that points in that direction.........something that hasn't been reported to the public.

 

[Leila]

I think LE has records of Terri's communications -- phone records, texts, computer records, for a period of time before, during, and after Kyron disappeared. I bet these are incriminating.

I think LE knows and has corroboration for the whereabouts of every member of Kyron's family on the day he disappeared, except for Terri.

I think LE has witnesses to Terri leaving the school with Kyron.

I think LE has witnesses to someone else being in the truck at the school.

I think LE long ago disproved TP's stories and I wouldn't be surprised if TP has admitted to them that he made up some things.

I think LE has more background information on Terri Horman than we know.

I think LE knows whether and when Kyron had an appointment and exactly what Terri said to Ms. Porter about the appointment.

I think these things because they would be very simple for LE to find out and, by the way the case is going, this knowledge must lead to believing Terri is responsible.

I bet LE made a few quick calls on June 4th to inquire about doctor's appointments. LE knows if there was an appointment and when.

 

[froginTtown]

I think the LE has a witness of Terri leaving alone... ( I would bet Terri made a point of finding someone to be able to state that for her alibi..) I think that LE knows Kyron exited the school alone.. That is why they are so interested in the truck. and if she moved it.. My thoughts are that she told him to meet her up in front of the school to go somewhere, that she would would pull the truck around front.. I'm REALLY hoping/praying that Kyron may have told someone that he had to go to meet his stepmom out front... (which may be why they issued the new flyers with the truck out front..)

 

[SmoothOperator]

I bet sightings and reports of Terri, Dede, and now a 3rd party in a white truck were mixed up with other sightings of a white truck in school parking lot and access road. moo

White trucks seen on a dead end road at 3p and 2am, and most recently the grounds guy saying he was in a white truck on the access road, and who knows how many other reports of white trucks. Seems that the white trucks have taken on the likes of the blue barrell in the Drew Peterson case. at least for me. moo mho

I do not believe that the grounds keepers truck was mixed up in any way, shape, or form as possibly being "THE" white truck[Horman's F250] or that possibly it was his white truck that was seen on the access road that morning and therefor LE are completely "off base" with implying that the Horman truck was parked at some point that morning on that access road along with also during the time in question being parked in front of Skyline..

IMO LE know that the Horman truck was in both of these locations and they are releasing such evidence to bring forth more winesses hoping to find out if another vehicle was involved what vehicle and who was associated with that vehicle.

My reasons for saying that IMO this was no mix up of grounds keepers white truck and the Horman white truck is #1 Dave Stensen works for the city of Portland[Turf Tech] and I would most definitely think that City vehicles would be clearly labeled as such[as they are in all areas I am familiar with].. But no matter if it was clearly marked as city of Portland vehicle more importantly there was a large trailer filled with all landscaping equip hitched/attached to Stensen's white work truck thus possibly mistaking it for the Horman F250 is not possible.. JMO

http://www.katu.com/news/local/100582364.html

 

[SmoothOperator]

......GOD BLESS THEM ALL..... Happy 24th Birthday to my son, Michael... come home soon... thats not cake he's wearing either....it's shampoo, shaving cream and toothpaste.. all he needs to add is water..lol..

IF YOU DON'T WANT TO STAND BEHIND YOUR TROOPS, THEN MAYBE YOU SHOULD STAND IN FRONT OF THEM...

Just wanted to say Thanks frog. Thanks for raising such a brave and giving son that now as a grown man takes what you have instilled in him through those many years of rearing him and applying them in the most selfLESS of acts and bravery by putting himself there on the front lines realistically facing the evil of the enemy that so very many have no clue of the evil and power and determination that these the enemy are very much capable of. Your son knows this enemy well and spends this portion of his life facing them head on daily so that the many of us can continue to enjoy free and carefree lives as we know it.

Thanks frog for lending us the bravery of your son to fight the fight that so many act like is not even occurring 1000s of miles away from their quaint&cozy safety of their own homes.

I want he and you to both know that there are very many of us out here that do know and fully recognize the sacrifices of those like your son are making on a daily basis and I am eternally grateful for not only the many men like your son on those front lines, but also grateful to the moma's like you, frog that instilled the selflessness, bravery, and kindness in helping the perfect stranger such as I into your son making him the soldier that he is today.

My thank yous can never be enough...

Happy 24th Birthday,to your son, we all owe him the greatest debt of gratitude beyond what words can express.

 

[froginTtown]

:hug: :hug:
Thanks so much smooth, that meant alot..... Sometimes I forget to pat myself on the back for raising a very fine young man... It does take a large toll on the family...

Your post made me feel good... if lifted me up alot...

I update Michaels picture in my signature everytime I get a new one...

And thanks for keeping all those serving our country, and their families in your thoughts.... It means alot....

Thanks again,, frog :hug:

 

[LotsaLatte]

Okay, in addition to all the above ideas, I think LE knows what TH purchased at Fred Meyer that morning. And maybe even the birth parents of both TH and KH by now! Covering every angle, ya' know?

 

[PDXMom]

Everything.

LE is not saying one word about their findings, what evidence they've collected, results of any forensic tests, where they are in the investigation, etc., etc.

And they're not going to say anything. Professional police depts and detectives don't talk and don't disclose information to the public unless they have a need to do so.

So...they will always know everything they've amassed in a case and we, the public, will not.

/the end

Oh, darn it! Why does it have to be so dang professional? And if so, why do I have to be "the public"?

 

[angelswatchoverthem]

I really don't think at this stage that LE are even accusing TH or DD of any crime to my knowledge! They are not even named as POI's either, or suspects? I think like they do with any case, they are still looking into possibilities. Even though they have reassured parents of the children that go to the school, they have not completely ruled out a stranger abduction. So i wonder why there is so much emphasis on TH for Kyron's disappearance? Is it LE driven or Media driven?
I think all we know for a fact is that someone, one or more persons lured Kyron to wherever he is, away from where he should have been, and he is now missing for more than 2 months. I feel because no one witnessed any force or commotion with his disappearance, that it was possibly someone he knew to some degree where he would have done as he was asked or told. I think a lot of the rest of it is mere speculation.

 

[revampz]

Another thing that LE knows.........they've seemed to zero in on this being a case of parental abduction vs a stranger abduction very quickly. I think they have some sort of evidence that points in that direction.........something that hasn't been reported to the public.

I personally think this is all that they have.......

I keep repeating these statements....but for them to say "no other children in danger" and "isolated case"......right from the beginning, really do suggest that something made them think this way from the start...

I think that the teacher told them about the "misunderstanding" about the appointment comment and they thought this suspicious and it lead from there.....discrepancies in her time line followed.......

they of course searched the entire area around the school and the school but the above two incidents lead them to her and it has evolved....

 

[seeking truth]

I know that you're not kidding Call me constipated , but I cannot move on in this case until I know that every single family member of Kyron's family has been accounted for during the time that the boy went missing from Skyline School. Just because Terri left the building at 8:45 doesn't mean that another relative didn't arrive in time to visit the science fair, see Kyron, and leave with the child in tow... jmo, of course.

Bette,

I think you can feel rest assured that everyone else has been looked into, right along with Terri, since the very beginning. First things first; family ruled out, if possible. I think the red flags (with Terri's name emblazoned on them) were waving as soon as the bus driver called into the school that afternoon. Either the secretary had been earlier made aware by his teacher that he was out, due to a doctor's appt., per Terri herself, OR the teacher was immediately contacted, and the school, Kaine, Desiree, police, all wondered:

"Why is Terri surprised that Kyron is not on the bus? She took him from the school this morning for his doctor's appointment, apparently. What is going on?"

If there were questions about anyone other than Terri, and now DeDe, and possibly a third individual, then it seems likely that LE would be printing out some new flyers with pics and questions and requests for witnesses to come forward with information about whoever and whatever was pictured on the newest flyer.

My thinking on this.

 

[cypress]

Everything.

LE is not saying one word about their findings, what evidence they've collected, results of any forensic tests, where they are in the investigation, etc., etc.

And they're not going to say anything. Professional police depts and detectives don't talk and don't disclose information to the public unless they have a need to do so.

So...they will always know everything they've amassed in a case and we, the public, will not.

/the end

BBM

I respectfully disagree. LE have said they have no evidence Kyron is not alive, and yet when they are searching for him they are not searching for a live body, IMHO. IMHO, that speaks volumes about what evidence, circumstantial and/or forensic, they have, or not, in this case.