What happened to Rebecca Zahau?

[screecher]

Also, my information on Adam's flight is just a guess. Flights from Memphis to San Diego take about 7 1/2 hours on average. If Adam's flight arrived around 3 pm, it would have left Memphis about 9:30, which means Adam would have left his apartment for the airport around 7:30, and was probably up around 6:30 or earlier that Tuesday morning. After getting the bad news about Max the afternoon or evening before, making plans to go, packing, doing what ever else he had to do to go out of town, I'm thinking he was up late, he gets up early to get the airport, takes the 7 1/2 hour flight, goes to the hospital, gets back to the guest house at 8 pm (10pm Memphis time). Personally, I know I would have been ready to crawl into bed with the covers over my head and fall into a deep sleep. Maybe that's why he didn't hear any noise from Rebecca?

All just speculation.

BBM

Yeah. He probably was using earplugs and a white noise machine too.

 

[bourne]

Is it a little strange that she seems to be referring to Jonah and Dina like they are a couple instead of using something like "each of them had their own room" or "if either of them wanted" or "Jonah didn't need his car"?

At any rate, a big thanks to you LASH for looking that up.

Agree. It does seem odd and unkosher that ex-spouses would share a small room in the Ronald McDonald House together. Nina makes it sound like Dina and Jonah were still a couple together. Was Dina still in love with Jonah and hoping for a reconciliation, and Rebecca was in the way?

 

[inthedark14]

Warrant 41227 - Receipt and Inventory:

2. Pair black gloves

21. Black latex glove

http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/warrant_41227.pdf

Again, I have to ask, if anyone knows...was there a box of black latex gloves found anywhere at the house on Ocean? That glove had to come from somewhere, and if it was in the house I would assume it would have been in the search warrant. Did I miss it?

TIA
Always MOO

 

[time]

Again, I have to ask, if anyone knows...was there a box of black latex gloves found anywhere at the house on Ocean? That glove had to come from somewhere, and if it was in the house I would assume it would have been in the search warrant. Did I miss it?

TIA
Always MOO

Well, yeah, a box or at least the OTHER GLOVE. Where is it?

 

[time]

Agree. It does seem odd and unkosher that ex-spouses would share a small room in the Ronald McDonald House together. Nina makes it sound like Dina and Jonah were still a couple together. Was Dina still in love with Jonah and hoping for a reconciliation, and Rebecca was in the way?

I don't know if they shared a room, but her description strangely makes it appear as if they are still together. I have seen one ex-spouse continue to act like they have some priority like that though - as if they still have a higher place int he persons life than a new love interest or partner. It sometimes dies down when the other actually gets remarried or remarried and has another child. I wouldn't say t his always has anything to do with love rather than with posession and power. A part of this is often making the new SO seem insignificant, minimizing them even basically acting like they aren't there, don't exist, have no say, whatever. I went through something like this with a partners ex although she went to the extent to leave very crude and long messages on his phone. Her sister was also very much involved in trying to sabotage our relationship.

 

[freespeech]

I don't know if they shared a room, but her description strangely makes it appear as if they are still together. I have seen one ex-spouse continue to act like they have some priority like that though - as if they still have a higher place int he persons life than a new love interest or partner. It sometimes dies down when the other actually gets remarried or remarried and has another child. I wouldn't say t his always has anything to do with love rather than with posession and power. A part of this is often making the new SO seem insignificant, minimizing them even basically acting like they aren't there, don't exist, have no say, whatever. I went through something like this with a partners ex although she went to the extent to leave very crude and long messages on his phone. Her sister was also very much involved in trying to sabotage our relationship.

I had two different friends like this at one time. Their respective husbands left them for younger women. They each had similar reactions to the apparent rejection by their husbands. They both clung to and nursed secret beliefs that their husbands still loved them and would be back.

In one case the friend horribly bashed and hated the ex-husband's new SO. However, the other friend wasn't so much into bashing the ex's new S.O. as she was to clinging to delusions that he would come back to her.

I do believe that to be rejected by someone that you love, want or need is painful to anyone whether male or female. However, rejection might be somewhat more difficult for a woman with children or emotional and financial dependencies.

Often it's a narcissistic insult to the person's ego. In that case I believe it triggers a rage response toward the ex's S.O. as unworthy competition for the desired objects attention. When ever there is an extreme amount bashing the ex's new S.O. I would think that it has absolutely nothing to do with any love lost. It seems to be more about ego, power and control.

I was blessed to have wise older women in my life who gave me good practical advice. The bottom line is that you cannot make someone love you so don't even waste your time. There are plenty of other people out there who will want your love and who will be able to love you back.

Too bad some people get carried away with living in a fantasy world or thinking they can own and control another person. Sometimes friends like these expect you to feed into their fantasies or hatreds out of loyalty to them. That's a tall order if you don't share their views. Maybe Nina was trying to be a loyal sister. I hope I wouldn't go against my own moral convictions for even a sister's agenda but who can know. The outcome of that behavior seems to be doomed to tragedy.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Dina had a boyfriend at the time of Max's and Rebecca's deaths, according to reports. It sounds to me like she had moved on from Jonah.

 

[freespeech]

Well, yeah, a box or at least the OTHER GLOVE. Where is it?

Maybe the wearer took the gloves off and then stuffed them into their pocket. Maybe one glove fell out of their pocket and onto the table or wherever it was found and the wearer didn't notice that as they scurried away from the scene.

 

[freespeech]

Agree. It does seem odd and unkosher that ex-spouses would share a small room in the Ronald McDonald House together. Nina makes it sound like Dina and Jonah were still a couple together. Was Dina still in love with Jonah and hoping for a reconciliation, and Rebecca was in the way?

Maybe Dina entertained fantasies that Jonah would want her back again and Nina was being supportive of her sister's fantasy out of loyalty.

 

[freespeech]

Hi, the information is from the SDSO Sheriff's office. My guess is Gabby's party took place the Friday or Saturday before Max's injuries. Since they had not been expecting guests, and Adam came in on a rush emergency basis, I'm thinking the girl's slumber party room had not been cleaned yet...

Why didn’t we collect and process the panties in the trash?
As with many items seized during the service of a search warrant, the panties in the trash at the guest house were seized because we did not know what the significance of that item was at the time. Investigators have one chance to seize items at a search warrant service, so items must be seized even if there is only a possibility it may be related. The investigation revealed this item was likely related to a girl’s slumber party at the mansion in the days leading up to Rebecca’s death. They were not tested for evidence of sexual assault because that examination was conducted on Rebecca herself. No evidence of such a crime was found. They were not tested further because taking into consideration the size of the mansion, and the fact it was open to family and friends, we had to focus our investigation on items directly related to the event in question; items we knew had to be handled or disturbed during the course of the event as it unfolded. Fingerprints, DNA, and other items left behind in other areas of the mansion have limited value in proving or disproving a crime.

http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/faq.html

Where's Sheriff Gore's proof that the teens had a party in the guest house? Why would a teen throw their panties in the garbage?

There is a naked dead woman in the yard and a women's clothing and panties a few feet away in the guest house.

O.K. so let's figure this out: dead naked woman a few feet away from women's clothes and underwear = teen party in guest house. Way to go Sheriff Gore, not.

Did Sheriff Gore establish what Rebecca wore that night? Where were her clothes? This was a murder investigation too, no?...or did L.E. immediately decide that Rebecca killed herself?

 

[freespeech]

Dina had a boyfriend at the time of Max's and Rebecca's deaths, according to reports. It sounds to me like she had moved on from Jonah.

I know women who have a boyfriend after the ex-husband leaves who still cling to the hope that they will reconcile with their ex-husband so having someone else is no guarantee that a person has processed their feelings and moved on.

 

[jjenny]

Where's Sheriff Gore's proof that the teens had a party in the guest house? Why would a teen throw their panties in the garbage?

There is a naked dead woman in the yard and a women's clothing and panties a few feet away in the guest house.

O.K. so let's figure this out: dead naked woman a few feet away from women's clothes and underwear = teen party in guest house. Way to go Sheriff Gore, not.

Did Sheriff Gore establish what Rebecca wore that night? Where were her clothes? This was a murder investigation too, no?...or did L.E. immediately decide that Rebecca killed herself?

I imagine JS told police teens had a slumber party in the guest house. So that would be proof enough for Sheriff Gore.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Maybe Dina entertained fantasies that Jonah would want her back again and Nina was being supportive of her sister's fantasy out of loyalty.

IMO, and from what I recall, Dina and Jonah took shifts with Max, so they were never in the RMH together. They went there to rest when the other was in the ICU room with Max.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

I know women who have a boyfriend after the ex-husband leaves who still cling to the hope that they will reconcile with their ex-husband so having someone else is no guarantee that a person has processed their feelings and moved on.

But you have no proof that's how Dina felt, do you?

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

I imagine JS told police teens had a slumber party in the guest house. So that would be proof enough for Sheriff Gore.

Since they investigated the death for 7 weeks, I would imagine they checked out everything. That's usually the way detectives work. They don't just take someone's "word".

 

[jjenny]

Since they investigated the death for 7 weeks, I would imagine they checked out everything. That's usually the way detectives work. They don't just take someone's "word".

Many cases are investigated for years and years, but they manage to investigate and check everything out during whole 7 weeks?

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Many cases are investigated for years and years, but they manage to investigate and check everything out during whole 7 weeks?

According to SDSO, "We had between seven and fifteen investigators, in addition to Crime Lab personnel, looking into this case for seven weeks exclusively. For the first seven to ten days of this investigation, it was widely believed among investigators this case was more likely to be a homicide. As the evidence began to come in, however, that belief began to change."

IMO, the physical evidence tells the truth. Rebecca committed suicide. They would have checked out everyone's story, but the physical evidence is what tells the story of what happened in this case. Seven to fifteen investigators in seven weeks would have able to throughly check out the alibis of JS, AS, DS, NR, and HL. We have only seen a tiny amount of the information they have. Just because it has not been released to the public doesn't mean it wasn't done.

Why did you rush your case?
We had between seven and fifteen investigators, in addition to Crime Lab personnel, looking into this case for seven weeks exclusively. There was no ”rush to judgment,” there was simply a large number of resources dedicated to this investigation full time. For the first seven to ten days of this investigation, it was widely believed among investigators this case was more likely to be a homicide. As the evidence began to come in, however, that belief began to change. Ultimately, the evidence convinced everyone involved this case was a suicide. No “rush to judgment,” no “tunnel vision.”

http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/faq.html

 

[MyBelle]

Agree. It does seem odd and unkosher that ex-spouses would share a small room in the Ronald McDonald House together. Nina makes it sound like Dina and Jonah were still a couple together. Was Dina still in love with Jonah and hoping for a reconciliation, and Rebecca was in the way?

I've been a volunteer at a RM House for years. Space in a RM House is very limited and it would not be at all unusual for the two parents to share a room/bath. The rooms usually have multiple single beds.

JMO

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

Is it a little strange that she seems to be referring to Jonah and Dina like they are a couple instead of using something like "each of them had their own room" or "if either of them wanted" or "Jonah didn't need his car"?

At any rate, a big thanks to you LASH for looking that up.

I don't really find this odd... but it doesn't hurt to realize that having a child together is a bond that can never be broken... good or bad.. it is an important relationship in this case... that bond...

Remember who JS called when he got a text from AS saying RZ hung herself...
he called DS immediately... not AS for confirmation...or details...to ensure RZ really was dead and that EMT was there reviving her... he seemed to know instantly that RZ was dead... and told DS...

I find this action astounding.... I can not fathom... why you would not immediately text or call back the person that sent you this text and find out what it really means.... it could be a typo.... it could have meant...she hung up on the phone.. this is incredulous information.... shocking beyond belief... and he doesn't need confirmation??????

JS seems to take the statement as fact... did he use another phone to call AS or text AS...? because if he didn't....in my mind that makes him guilty... guilty guilty...

I would be dialing and texting back.... nonstop to get more answers if my sibling just texted me that my partner had hung themselves?????

 

[Jessica2012]

Dina had a boyfriend at the time of Max's and Rebecca's deaths, according to reports. It sounds to me like she had moved on from Jonah.

@Curious Georgia- I completely agree with you in that it seems to me that Dina had moved on from Jonah. Also, she and Jonah's first wife Kimberly seem to have a cordial relationship. In my opinion, Dina sensed something was terribly wrong(I don't think it was jealousy at all.) I do feel she had a good reason for that because in her interview she states Jonah would go on trips for long periods of time and she was concerned who would watch Maxie. I do not fault her for being concerned. In my opinion, the statement that "Maxie loved Rebecca more than his own mother" after Maxie had passed away is a jealous, mean and vindictive statement. Where would such ideation come from if not from Rebecca?(my speculation). That's my opinion, no offense to anyone. I just don't see Dina as the jealous ex wife. Does anyone else on here find it odd that Dina stated that Rebecca was not to be alone with Maxie when other family members were present? Does it seem to you guys like there was a prior history of something happening? I really would like to know what that means. I do understand that Rebecca must have been in a very frustrating position, and without being married to JS, sensing dislike from other family members, her own family being so far away, she must have felt extremely alone. I do get that.