What happened to Rebecca Zahau?

[*Lash*]

Just my opinions on your questions:

1. Because Jonah was in the ICU, my guess he had asked family members to TEXT him, not call.

2. Adam was the last person to see her alive, and he, Jonah, and Rebecca had a quick dinner at the McDonald's in Radys, and then Adam and Jonah went back to the ICU room while she got the car. From all reports, Rebecca was very quiet that day and did not want to answer questions about Max's accident. Perhaps Jonah had mentioned to Adam that Rebecca was not taking about it, and seemed odd. Maybe Rebecca said something to Adam on the way home about how she felt. We don't know. He may not have really seen the bindings when he first saw her...he cut her down while on the phone with 911. I think most people would think a hanging victim was a suicide...unless your in 1920's Mississippi and the victim is black...
3. My guess is Adam's text also said a policeman was coming to Rady's to talk to him...just a guess.

BBM - I do not believe Jonah was in the ICU area when he received Adam's text. If he was, Jonah would not have needed to call Dina with the news. Interesting to note Jonah called Dina. I see no problems with ICU. Jonah could have called Adam.

 

[*Lash*]

According to SDSO, "We had between seven and fifteen investigators, in addition to Crime Lab personnel, looking into this case for seven weeks exclusively. For the first seven to ten days of this investigation, it was widely believed among investigators this case was more likely to be a homicide. As the evidence began to come in, however, that belief began to change."

IMO, the physical evidence tells the truth. Rebecca committed suicide. They would have checked out everyone's story, but the physical evidence is what tells the story of what happened in this case. Seven to fifteen investigators in seven weeks would have able to throughly check out the alibis of JS, AS, DS, NR, and HL. We have only seen a tiny amount of the information they have. Just because it has not been released to the public doesn't mean it wasn't done.

Why did you rush your case?
We had between seven and fifteen investigators, in addition to Crime Lab personnel, looking into this case for seven weeks exclusively. There was no ”rush to judgment,” there was simply a large number of resources dedicated to this investigation full time. For the first seven to ten days of this investigation, it was widely believed among investigators this case was more likely to be a homicide. As the evidence began to come in, however, that belief began to change. Ultimately, the evidence convinced everyone involved this case was a suicide. No “rush to judgment,” no “tunnel vision.”

http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/faq.html

BBM - In my opinion waiting to turn on Rebecca's phone until it was too late and waiting to request search warrants for cell phones until 8-24-2011 is not logical in a homicide investigation. Phone records were only requested a week before the big SDSO presser. It obviously didn't take long to get the phone records especially when you factor in an approaching holiday weekend.

Nina and Adam's phone records were not even requested. How did LE verify the alibis of the two people that were at the mansion in the last hours of Rebecca's life? Requesting 2 polygraphs? One that ended with an inconclusive result and the second ended with a person cancelling the polygraph. Interesting to note that SDSO also stated in search warrant 11-164 that Adam and Rebecca were the ONLY persons on the property. What about Nina? Some where they forgot about Nina and no one mentioned her visit. Not in any of the search warrants and never in any press conference.

The only people at the residence from the evening hours on July 12, 2011, to the morning hours of July, 13, 2011 were Rebecca and Adam.

http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/warrant_11-164.pdf

 

[screecher]

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Yes and how many times did Nina Romano say she NEVER touched the gate??? Ha!!!

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

BBM - I do not believe Jonah was in the ICU area when he received Adam's text. If he was, Jonah would not have needed to call Dina with the news. Interesting to note Jonah called Dina. I see no problems with ICU. Jonah could have called Adam.

But how would Adam know Jonah was not in the ICU so it was ok to call? He wouldn't, IMO.

 

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BBM - I do not believe Jonah was in the ICU area when he received Adam's text. If he was, Jonah would not have needed to call Dina with the news. Interesting to note Jonah called Dina. I see no problems with ICU. Jonah could have called Adam.

I see two more options:

Dina was not in the ICU
Neither were in the ICU

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Another option:

Dina was in the ICU where she said she was and nurses confirmed that, but that information hasn't been released.

Nina was at Dina's house when she said she was and that was confirmed by the other people staying there, which included her boyfriend and son, and some of Dina's friends (IIRC), and that also has not been released.

 

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Another option:

Dina was in the ICU where she said she was and nurses confirmed that, but that information hasn't been released.

Nina was at Dina's house when she said she was and that was confirmed by the other people staying there, which included her boyfriend and son, and some of Dina's friends (IIRC), and that also has not been released.

I believe that if anyone credible could have alibied Dina, we would have heard about it from LE instead of hearing her phone alibied her. If someone claims now that they saw her, not sure I would believe it anyway.

A key point here is that if Jonah and Dina were both at the ICU, then why did Jonah call Dina to inform her of Rebecca's death.

 

[jjenny]

BBM - In my opinion waiting to turn on Rebecca's phone until it was too late and waiting to request search warrants for cell phones until 8-24-2011 is not logical in a homicide investigation. Phone records were only requested a week before the big SDSO presser. It obviously didn't take long to get the phone records especially when you factor in an approaching holiday weekend.

Nina and Adam's phone records were not even requested. How did LE verify the alibis of the two people that were at the mansion in the last hours of Rebecca's life? Requesting 2 polygraphs? One that ended with an inconclusive result and the second ended with a person cancelling the polygraph. Interesting to note that SDSO also stated in search warrant 11-164 that Adam and Rebecca were the ONLY persons on the property. What about Nina? Some where they forgot about Nina and no one mentioned her visit. Not in any of the search warrants and never in any press conference.

The only people at the residence from the evening hours on July 12, 2011, to the morning hours of July, 13, 2011 were Rebecca and Adam.

http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/warrant_11-164.pdf

And there is only a short window of opportunity to retrieve deleted cell phone messages from a server. Yet police didn't investigate what was on Rebecca's cell phone until it wasn't possible to retrieve the voice mail that supposedly triggered her suicide.

 

[freespeech]

IMO, and from what I recall, Dina and Jonah took shifts with Max, so they were never in the RMH together. They went there to rest when the other was in the ICU room with Max.

CuriousGeorgia, on July 12, Jonah was purportedly at the hospital from 8 a.m. to 6 p.m. while Dina went home to rest. Rebecca and Adam picked Jonah up for dinner at 6 p.m. and returned him to the ICU around 7:30 p.m. Did he then stay in ICU with Dina until 1:00 a.m? Purportedly he did not turn in at the RMH until 1:00 a.m. when he was caught on surveillance video.

According to her own account Dina returned to Rady with Nina at 8 p.m. However, Jonah claimed she returned at 6 p.m. so he could go to dinner with Rebecca and Adam.

So Max may have been alone if Dina's account is correct. Also it appears that Jonah and Dina were together with Max from July 12, 8:00 p.m. to July 13, 1:00 a.m. If they were not together then where was Jonah for 5 hours starting from when he returned from dinner until he turned in at RMH?

If Jonah wasn't caught on surveillance tape going into the RMH on July 13 until 1:00 a. m. and Dina was not seen on surveillance tape at all then neither one of them really have an alibi for the 5 hours or more proceeding Rebecca's death. Do they?

 

[K_Z]

Just a reminder that police detectives early on considered Dina a witness in Rebecca's death, which, at the time was being investigated as a suspicious homicide.

His mother, Jonah Shacknai's ex-wife Dina, has been identified by detectives as a witness in Zahau's death.

BBM
http://coronado.patch.com/articles/all-eyes-have-turned-to-coronado#c

 

[Yoda]

CuriousGeorgia, on July 12, Jonah was purportedly at the hospital from 8 a.m. to 6 p.m. while Dina went home to rest. Rebecca and Adam picked Jonah up for dinner at 6 p.m. and returned him to the ICU around 7:30 p.m. Did he then stay in ICU with Dina until 1:00 a.m? Purportedly he did not turn in at the RMH until 1:00 a.m. when he was caught on surveillance video.

According to her own account Dina returned to Rady with Nina at 8 p.m. However, Jonah claimed she returned at 6 p.m. so he could go to dinner with Rebecca and Adam.

So Max may have been alone if Dina's account is correct. Also it appears that Jonah and Dina were together with Max from July 12, 8:00 p.m. to July 13, 1:00 a.m. If they were not together then where was Jonah for 5 hours starting from when he returned from dinner until he turned in at RMH?

If Jonah wasn't caught on surveillance tape going into the RMH on July 13 until 1:00 a. m. and Dina was not seen on surveillance tape at all then neither one of them really have an alibi for the 5 hours or more proceeding Rebecca's death. Do they?

Do you remember if this was the night there was no room at the RMH? I thought he had to go to a hotel? Or was that another evening? Tia

 

[K_Z]

If the police return a verdict of suicide, Medicis has a chance of getting back to normal. If not, then Shacknai faces some unpleasant, and unfair, conversations with his colleagues.

Wednesday July 13, 6.45 a.m.: Shacknai's brother, Adam, discovers Nalepa hanging naked from an outdoor balcony by her neck, with her hands and feet bound in orange cord. He calls 911. Adam and Nalepa are the only people on the property at the time, police said. Adam is currently not considered a suspect. Later, Jonah's ex-wife Dina Shacknai is reported to be "a witness in Zahau's death."

MRX has fallen since Zahau's death. If the police were to bring charges in her death -- even if Shacknai had nothing to do with it -- Shacknai would be drawn in as a witness, distracting him from the business. Outside Medicis, the cosmetic pharmaceutical business is proceeding through a crucial period of consolidation, which would normally require strategic responses from Shacknai. Allergan (AGN), Medicis' main rival, agreed to acquire Vicept this week. That deal came on the heels of Valeant (VRX)'s $345 million acquisition of the skincare unit of Johnson & Johnson (JNJ); and its planned $425 million buyout of Sanofi (SNY)'s Dermik skincare business.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_...template-life-without-its-ceo/?tag=bnetdomain

 

[freespeech]

Do you remember if this was the night there was no room at the RMH? I thought he had to go to a hotel? Or was that another evening? Tia

Max had the accident on July 11. That was the night Jonah went to a hotel because there was no room available at RMH. I believe Dina stayed at Rady ICU from July 11, 2 or 3 p.m. until July 12, 8 a.m.

Jonah went to a hotel the first night. He claims to have stayed at the RMH on July 13, the second night after Max's injury. I wonder where he stayed the rest of the week until Max passed. He purportedly never returned to the mansion again so I wonder if he stayed at the RMH for the entire week.

Also where did he call from when he left the trigger message? Was he in Max's ICU room?

 

[bourne]

To moderators, I'd like to know what happened to my two posts about my theory of who harmed and murdered Rebecca?

Did my posts get deleted? I don't believe I violated any forum terms or conditions. I was speculating and giving my opinions about what happened and stated as such in the posts -- just as many others who gave their opinions that Rebecca assaulted and caused the homicide of Max.

 

[*Lash*]

But how would Adam know Jonah was not in the ICU so it was ok to call? He wouldn't, IMO.

Originally Posted by *Lash*
BBM - I do not believe Jonah was in the ICU area when he received Adam's text. If he was, Jonah would not have needed to call Dina with the news. Interesting to note Jonah called Dina. I see no problems with ICU. Jonah could have called Adam.

Hi CG - I stated that Jonah could have called Adam. Jonah had no problem calling Dina who was said to be in the ICU room with Max. In my opinion being in the ICU room has no bearing on why Adam chose to text Jonah instead of calling to give the news that your girlfriend is dead. Jonah was supposedly on his way to Maxie's room where Dina was said to be. Why even call Dina? Why not wait until he was in the room to share such horrific news? If receiving calls in ICU was a concern, why didn't Jonah text Dina?

 

[*Lash*]

In reading search warrant 11-164, in my opinion Jonah and Dina were also considered suspects in the homicide investigation. It appears LE believed their whereabouts would help establish whether this was a homicide or suicide. Why was LE trying to establish Dina's and Jonah's whereabouts in the homicide investigation? What did LE know, what was their reasoning? It did occur at Jonah's home, but why Dina?

SW 11-164 - Detective Angela Tsuida

•By examining all the information related to Jonah's and Dina's cellular phone numbers and account information, I will be able to determine their location at the time of Rebecca's death.

•This phone record information will be important to evaluate whether the statements given by Jonah and Dina to LE have been truthful.

http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/warrant_11-164.pdf

 

[*Lash*]

Another option:

Dina was in the ICU where she said she was and nurses confirmed that, but that information hasn't been released.

Nina was at Dina's house when she said she was and that was confirmed by the other people staying there, which included her boyfriend and son, and some of Dina's friends (IIRC), and that also has not been released.

Many have questioned why AB has not released information in Rebecca's file. Why have Jonah and Dina not spoke publicly about their whereabouts? Why not speak publicly? If AB's file can clear them, then their stories will be supported. Unless of course they don't know what AB has found during her investigation and it differs from their stories. Maybe, maybe not?

 

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In reading search warrant 11-164, in my opinion Jonah and Dina were also considered suspects in the homicide investigation. It appears LE believed their whereabouts would help establish whether this was a homicide or suicide. Why was LE trying to establish Dina's and Jonah's whereabouts in the homicide investigation? What did LE know, what was their reasoning? It did occur at Jonah's home, but why Dina?



http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/warrant_11-164.pdf

Interesting as I am not sure LE turned over those phone records of Dina and Jonah to AB?

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Personally, I really don't see that because Adam texted Jonah, then Jonah called Dina about Rebecca, it means she was murdered. Would never stand up in a court of law.

 

[*Lash*]

Boy, Interrupted - Phoenix Magazine article - full version now available online!

http://www.phoenixmag.com/lifestyle/valley-news/201208/boy--interrupted-full-version/1/