What happened to Rebecca Zahau?

[*Lash*]

I find it bizarre that RZ would be fixated on food consumed by teens not under her care to the point they complained to their mother. The complaint about her fixation on food was from the older children, not Max. I'd like to know what else they complained about.

DS doesn't need LE to do anything at this point. She can file a lawsuit with accusations blazing without LE's "help" and I believe she will do just that.

JMO

I don't find it bizarre in any blended family for children to complain about their parents significant other to the other parent. I believe it is more than common for teens and children to complain when they don't get something they want, period. I find it bizarre that examples were not given to further detail Dina's complaint about this food issue.

 

[bourne]

Interesting as I am not sure LE turned over those phone records of Dina and Jonah to AB?

I received note from AB stating she was unable to obtain any phone records for Dina, Nina, Adam or Jonah.

 

[*Lash*]

So Dina Romano is complaining about food? Lack of it and not enough of teeth rotting, empty calories? And Rebecca not telling her, her own marital status? Also she was a thieving dangerous shop-lifter? Oh and the martial arts.

And all of this is evidence Rebecca is a killer of children?

I'm kinda surprised Dina Romano didn't attribute Rebecca's pretty eyes to something evil

Rebecca's eyeliner is a tattoo. We don't know Dina's affiliation with the blog site that Dr. Melinek cited, however they have mocked and ridiculed Rebecca's eyeliner tattoo. In my opinion Rebecca's eyeliner has no significance in either case. I guess some people think differently. I personally feel it is just mean spirited and has no value whatsoever in determining how Maxie's accident happened.

 

[iSleuth]

Yes. Perhaps Kimberly should have filed a lawsuit against Dina Romano for "Alienation of Affection"?

The beginning of the article clearly refers to Rebecca as Max's " babysitter" and then all the rules and stipulations RZ couldn't " take max to the airport? "go to max's school? " I believe there were a few others I can't recall at the moment!

That article really freaked me out in a way I was unprepared really.
It does strike a chord for me of some sort? Maybe boring too much information..but here goes.

I am divorced, and have three nearly grown kids ( 24, almost 22 and 20bgb) and my fiance has 3 kids too. ( ggg 27, 22 and 17 going on 9) being the GF or father's fiance is no easy task at all.

It is really a messed up scenario with untold landmines ( authority, trust, omg i could go on for hours) especially if there is a psycho ex! If there are involved or deadbeat, good role models or absolute evil incarnate, there are infinite ways ex spouses inflict damage on each other and their children in the process. ( alienation of affection- parental alienation syndrome are only a few)

My fiance's ex is a deadbeat mom- she hasn't done one thing for any of her daughters ( do a load of laundry, cook a meal, go to get ice cream, contribute to school in any way, in the 5 years I have known them, they do not even know exactly where she lives- they know the apt building but not the exact apt).

Yet countless hours I have been in a position of parental responsibility. This summer at least for 24 days his youngest daughter was off from her summer job, and my fiance was at work, and she was here with me. If i do nothing or if I do something- I am responsible for what she does when she is here- right?

With all RZ's responsibility, I see it as A LOT....watch Max, be summer "step mom to be" with JS teens, ( with their TigerMom DS near by) AND her sister, and host that ( excuse me creep- freak) AS! Does DS really think RZ dropped the child over the banister??? really? and then she felt so guilty that she shuttled people to airports and dinners and then with never having said before like....these people are making me crazy- decides to off her self in a physically impossible manner?

I think that entire article is very telling, telling about DS, very self serving, alibi building. Come to think of it the actions of all of them DS NS AS JS have all been..sketchy sketchy.

:cow:


and I have a nuts and bolts- question...where was Ocean the dog, when they were reviving Max? I am really curious if there were any more reports about him, and his behavior.
My dog was with me when i fell down the stairs and definitely reacted, and ever since he has since behaved very differently around stairs, and people.( waits for a command) I think it would be interesting to bring the dog to the residence. maybe stupid....but maybe Max was right.
Sounds silly...maybe some how ...he was fooling around with the dog ...got catapulted, into the chandelier somehow. Why wouldn't he say...ocean...when RZ got to him?

TIA

 

[time]

That same article states Rebecca was described as a keep-fit-fanatic-so it's a good bet she would eat healthy foods and want children to do the same.

Bingo! And the last thing I would list as a sign of a good parent would be a 'fully stocked candy drawer'. Eating healthy was extremely important to me when my kids were young. It's much more difficult to put limitations on kids than it is to dole out candy and trips and presents.

 

[time]

I received note from AB stating she was unable to obtain any phone records for Dina, Nina, Adam or Jonah.

Thank you. Why would LE withhold this from the records she received? What else is there that they wouldn't give her?

 

[time]

<snip>
That article really freaked me out in a way I was unprepared really.
It does strike a chord for me of some sort? Maybe boring too much information..but here goes.

<snip>
It is really a messed up scenario with untold landmines ( authority, trust, omg i could go on for hours) especially if there is a psycho ex! If there are involved or deadbeat, good role models or absolute evil incarnate, there are infinite ways ex spouses inflict damage on each other and their children in the process. ( alienation of affection- parental alienation syndrome are only a few)
<snip>

:cow:
<snip>

The article had that same effect for me. Freaky to say the least.

BBM - I think I may have mentioned I was in a similar position once. You stated the nature of the problems well. I see as many or more problems with the biological parents as I do with step moms or dads. I think this makes sense as they are the ones fighting over affections, custody, and so on.... and, obviously their marriage didn't make it. I have almost never found it the case that when there is a tumultuous marriage, the future relationship calms down. There just isn't as much close contact so it can't happen as often.

 

[justice be served]

I received note from AB stating she was unable to obtain any phone records for Dina, Nina, Adam or Jonah.

I am wondering if Anne Bremner is referencing that no phone records for Dina, Nina, Adam or Jonah were turned over on Rebecca's death investigation versus Max's fall.

If no phone records for those four were NOT turned over in Rebecca's investigation, then that is contrary to Sheriff Gore's letter of October 27, 2011 stating otherwise.

"The Sheriff's Department is complying with your request for its investigative file pertaining to the investigation into the death of Rebecca Zahau. It is our intention to release to you the entire investigative file".

http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/gore_letter.pdf

Seems to me that the phone records were a critical element to tell the story of where the key players were and when. Geez.:banghead:

 

[time]

I am wondering if Anne Bremner is referencing that no phone records for Dina, Nina, Adam or Jonah were turned over on Rebecca's death investigation versus Max's fall.

If no phone records for those four were NOT turned over in Rebecca's investigation, then that is contrary to Sheriff Gore's letter of October 27, 2011 stating otherwise.

"The Sheriff's Department is complying with your request for its investigative file pertaining to the investigation into the death of Rebecca Zahau. It is our intention to release to you the entire investigative file".

http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/gore_letter.pdf

Seems to me that the phone records were a critical element to tell the story of where the key players were and when. Geez.:banghead:

UGH ... why am I getting the feeling Sheriff Gore could be playing games here and claiming those records were for Max's investigation and hence he will not turn them over. It wouldn't make sense because they are much more pertinent to Rebecca's death investigation.

 

[bourne]

I am wondering if Anne Bremner is referencing that no phone records for Dina, Nina, Adam or Jonah were turned over on Rebecca's death investigation versus Max's fall.

If no phone records for those four were NOT turned over in Rebecca's investigation, then that is contrary to Sheriff Gore's letter of October 27, 2011 stating otherwise.

"The Sheriff's Department is complying with your request for its investigative file pertaining to the investigation into the death of Rebecca Zahau. It is our intention to release to you the entire investigative file".

http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/gore_letter.pdf

Seems to me that the phone records were a critical element to tell the story of where the key players were and when. Geez.:banghead:

All I know is what AB stated. She received no phone records for Dina, Nina, Jonah or Adam.

My personal opinion is that when a case is closed and ruled either "accident" or "suicide", handing over phone records of private parties apart from the decedents would be considered invasive.

 

[justice be served]

All I know is what AB stated. She received no phone records for Dina, Nina, Jonah or Adam.

My personal opinion is that when a case is closed and ruled either "accident" or "suicide", handing over phone records of private parties apart from the decedents would be considered invasive.

BBM. If so, not right at all. The entire purpose of questioning and attempting to reopen the case of Rebecca's death is it rests on the purported scenario of murder. So not giving any evidence of others' whereabouts is BS.

Another quote by the sheriff's office:

‘As RadarOnline.com previously reported, cops determined Jonah and Dina Shacknai were keeping vigil at their son's hospital bedside the night Rebecca died. "We concluded beyond a shadow of the doubt, that neither Jonah or Dina were at the house that night. Jonah and Dina were at the hospital at Max's bedside, or at the Ronald McDonald house, across the street from the hospital," Lt. Nesbit told RadarOnline.com.’

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...get-jonah-shacknai-s-ex-wife-dina-says-sister

If Lt. Nesbit stated his conclusion “beyond a shadow of the doubt” at where Jonah and Dina were the night Rebecca died, then wouldn’t proving that ‘fact’ be a crucial piece of the investigative file to be turned over to the Zahaus? Anne Bremner apparently states that their phone records were not turned over. That’s a mighty big hole in proving Nesbit’s contention. This smells really bad IMO.

 

[FightTheOstrich]

Bingo! And the last thing I would list as a sign of a good parent would be a 'fully stocked candy drawer'. Eating healthy was extremely important to me when my kids were young. It's much more difficult to put limitations on kids than it is to dole out candy and trips and presents.

Agreed. Promoting healthy eating habits is one of many parental responsibilities. Liberal access to a candy drawer is not responsible and unusual for someone in DS's position (her career) bc excess sugar hardly brings out a child's best behavior. Promoting healthy eating habits is about preventing diabetes, obesity, dental problems, heart disease, high-blood pressure. This was an affluent family so the socioeconomic reasons for not eating well were not factors.

IMO

 

[FightTheOstrich]

Sorry, but I do not know any parents who do not allow sweets at home. That sounds extreme, imo. Healthy kids can grow up nicely with sweets. I think it is utterly ridiculous to state otherwise or pretend that their physical accomplishments somehow validate you as a parent.

I never deprived my children of nourishment but I also didn't deny them sweets. They did have the ability to balance their lives which apparently RZ--who was not a parent--didn't trust. JMO

Liberal access to a candy drawer as described by DS is not the same as eating sweets in moderation. I know many parents who do not keep sweets in the house maintaining that sweets should be treats, i.e. going out for ice cream or whatever. Personally, I would rather promote a healthier treat such as strawberries and ice cream or an oatmeal cookie vs. candy.

 

[*Lash*]

There is more than just one discrepancy in when Dina arrived back at the hospital Tuesday. I understand under the circumstances trauma can play with a persons memory. This was allegedly a homicide investigation in the beginning. Exact times are most definitely important. Surely SDSO did not miss these discrepancies. Remember Nina told us they drove Dina's car to the hospital together at 3:30pm.

The afternoon and evening stories of Tuesday, July 12th-

• Jonah says Dina arrived at 6:00pm from interview in warrant 11-164.
• Dina says she arrived at 8:00pm from interview in warrant 11-164.
• Nina states she was there between 4:00-9:00pm per MSM phone interview.
• Nina says Jonah left with Howard around 4:00pm per MSM phone interview.
• Jonah says RZ and AS arrived at the hospital at 6:00pm to pick up Howard and himself. They took Howard to airport and then had dinner, from interview in warrant 11-164.


CROSSTALK:
So at 3:30 on Tuesday you went in what Dina's car?

NINA:
Yeah, we drove her car.

CROSSTALK:
Alright, and then was Jonah there when you arrived, he was leaving with Howard at that point, around 4:00?

NINA:
Correct.

CROSSTALK:
And did you see Rebecca and Adam anywhere while they were leaving?

NINA:
No. I don't know what time Adam got in San Diego.


http://www.cbs8.com/story/15982091/exclusive-max-shacknais-aunt-talks-about-coronado-mansion-deaths

http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/warrant_11-164.pdf

http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/nina_romano.mp3

 

[FightTheOstrich]

BBM Do you use your candy dish as an example of "what a good parent does/would do? I know many parents that do not allow sweets in home. My kiddos are now in their twenties (a marathoner and a cyclist), and they grew up without a contuous supply of sweets in the home. They weren't forbidden to ever eat candy, cake, and/or cookies, but many of their friends, who are also fit, healthy young adults, were NOT ALLOWED sweets at home.

I, and the parents of their friends, did not define our parenting by alllowing or disallowing sweets. JMO...We strove for healthy lifestyles with healthy food choices.

I have some sympathy for RZ as she never experienced a pre-teen/teen male appetite. (2 sisters, right?) One really needs to grow into that to fully understand the gallon-of-milk a day, bottomless pit that these innocent kids become. My son was always hungry, and I certainly didn't deprive him of nourishment.

RZ also did not grow-up in the United States, so perhaps she offended the older children without even realizing it bc she didn't stock the house with items they were more familiar with. Perhaps this is why they favored DS over RZ, that is DS had a better understanding of American teenagers, from food to music.

 

[screecher]

IMO, I don't see the older children favoring Dina Romano over anyone. That would say they a had connection with her, yes? And if they did have a connection with Dina Romano, Dina Romano would have been kept abreast of Jonah and their plans regarding MaxinMotion.

JMO.

 

[FightTheOstrich]

IMO, I don't see the older children favoring Dina Romano over anyone. That would say they a had connection with her, yes? And if they did have a connection with Dina Romano, Dina Romano would have been kept abreast of Jonah and their plans regarding MaxinMotion.

JMO.

Oh I don't really buy the idea that they really favored her. We have heard from RZ's sister that they were not respectful towards RZ. DS has claimed they would still come over to her house to see Max after the divorce but I am willing to bet that she was after information and probably only stirred up trouble. I don't think they actually had a lasting strong bond, more a relationship of convenience. I just think DS was better at making the other 2 children believe she was cool and cared.

 

[bourne]

RZ also did not grow-up in the United States, so perhaps she offended the older children without even realizing it bc she didn't stock the house with items they were more familiar with. Perhaps this is why they favored DS over RZ, that is DS had a better understanding of American teenagers, from food to music.

Could also simply be racism. RZ was the only non-white in the entire family and lineage.

 

[Salem]

Could also simply be racism. RZ was the only non-white in the entire family and lineage.

Could also be that DR met the children when they were much younger and much more accepting of new people in their father's life.

Salem

 

[bourne]

Could also be that DR met the children when they were much younger and much more accepting of new people in their father's life.

Salem

Agree, could be a number of different factors, or a combination of, or even none. Could even simply be personality mismatches. Who knows but the kids, Rebecca and Dina?