WHAT Has Been Said & By WHOM... That Baffles You? (aka Oh No They Didn't!)

[OneLostGrl]

^ He was the perfect PI for Cindy's purposes though wasn't he. Prepared to believe and follow a whole truckload of ridiculous leads, and even found a psychic who would be willing to manufacture them for him. Any other PI would have told her the truth which is the last thing she wanted. No wonder they hooked up < yes, rumor but I believe it.

 

[LolaMoon08]

^ I hope they are all ashamed of themselves, but I bet they aren't.

Of course they aren't. The woman with the little boy, did you hear how he was yelling at Cindy? He had no right to be there in such a volatile situation in the first place, and then to scream at an adult (even if it was Cindy) like that? What a mess! I'm hoping CPS did get involved.

 

[LyndyLoo]

Of course they aren't. The woman with the little boy, did you hear how he was yelling at Cindy? He had no right to be there in such a volatile situation in the first place, and then to scream at an adult (even if it was Cindy) like that? What a mess! I'm hoping CPS did get involved.

Ya know..My biggest problem with those neighbours outfront of Cindy and Georges house was..their reaction to Cindy and George when they came out ( THEY SHOULDNT HAVE!!)...but for crying in the gravy..never bring out inpressionable kids to things like this...Both sides behaved badly..but C&G could have easily defused the whole thing by staying inside!! spraying water on them..yelling a screaming..children and dogs all about..NOT appropriate!!

But I do understand IF these were actually NEIGHBORS..Between their whole life being disrupted and Casey getting out on bond..I understand their angers..but JMJ...Neither side showed any class at all!!

Where was Jose P. during all this?..

 

[strawberry]

At about the 7:10 mark CA says that anytime KC was out she(CA) had the baby? No nanny??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEhr2dq_sPI

Yikes! Great example that woman is setting for her son..."yeah what my mom said". Anyway this video reminds me of something that baffled me although it was not something someone said. It was the fact that GA and CA always always always looked put-together. I don't look that put together on an every day basis! Even in t-shirts! The shorts were always ironed, jewelry on, makeup on, hair blown dry...unbelievable. It's like their Maslow's hierarchy of needs got turned upside down!

 

[jon_burrows]

My opinion on the protestors was that a lot of them didn't initially go there to harrass Cindy and George. People were there protesting that Casey was out on bond. As right or wrong as it was, I can understand the emotions the community was feeling, because I was angry that she was out on bond.

Now, some of the protestors, like the mother with her little boy, were completely out of hand... but did Cindy really need to go out there? Did she really need to egg it on and get in the woman's face and basically dare her to touch her? Really? Was there anything that woman was doing that the cops couldn't handle? Oh, yes, they didn't trust the cops... forgot!

I seen a lot of protests where they were peaceful and Cindy, George or Lee come out of the house simply to cause a scene... and that is where a lot of the yelling and screaming comes into play. I can tell you this though, as soon as Casey was back in jail for good... the protestors left. They were not there to harrass Cindy or George. Cindy and George made it seem that way by going out there and causing a scene. Just watch Cindy with her hammer ordeal... she went out there to purposely cause a scene. She could have had anyone in that house at the time put those signs up.

Don't let them fool you into thinking that they were any sort of victim... I've fallen for it too many times myself and I am done with it.

I agree.

The peaceful protester with her dog and sign stating she wouldn't wait 31 days if her dog went missing sent a powerful message. Anyone who has ever had a pet run off can relate and I never equated the two until I read her sign. When our family dog took off right in front of our eyes we all ran after him on foot. He quickly got out of our sight. We were screaming at every neighbor outside asking if they'd seen him. It was sheer panic and we couldn't care less how crazy we must have seemed. I was terrified he would get hit by a car or stolen. We found him safe and sound with the help of neighbors. The As could spin all the stories they wanted to distract the public and potential jurors from the truth but those simple words from that protester said it all. I'll borrow a line from Jonny Cochran and change it a bit---'give me one pet lover who has lost a beloved pet on that jury'.

The protester was not on their property, she wasn't disturbing anyone, and it was her right to protest. Casey isn't the only person with rights. It also proved that Casey had no problems dialing 911 when she thought her butt was on the line. I'm not advocating violence, the screamers disturbing the peace, or the children that were brought to the scene but there was some good that came out of those protests.

Lee did not have the right to dump the dog's water out or destroy her property. After seeing how low the As will sink to make an easy buck, I think they were waiting (even wanting) a protester to take a swing at them so they could sue or at the very least, take the focus off of Casey and the truth.

I still don't see how George got away with pushing people, especially an elderly women. I guess he never learned one of the first lessons they teach in kindergarten, keep your hands to yourself.

Last of all, wouldn't Cindy have better things to do aside from hammering ridiculous signs on her lawn, HELLO...HER GRANDDAUGHTER HAD SUPPOSEDLY BEEN KIDNAPPED AND SHE'S MORE WORRIED ABOUT WHO MIGHT STEP ON HER GRASS. Very telling.

IMO

 

[Leila]

Originally Posted by Aedrys
He did, and two things have been theorized. Either Casey had "kidnapped" Caylee before, held her away from Cindy until Cindy caved in and did what Casey wanted, or she was pregnant before or had a kid before and that kid died too, just like this time, only she didn't get caught and the family cleaned up the mess for her.

I think it was the first one. I think she held Caylee away from Cindy for a week or two, then Cindy did what Casey wanted, and then she let Caylee be with Cindy again. It explains why Cindy thought involving the police would work to get Casey to tell her where Caylee was, and why she still seems to think Caylee is alive somewhere. Calling 911 was Cindy's way of telling Casey, "I'm not playing games with you this time, where is she, give her to me!" I think Lee asking Casey that was a way for him to figure out if something bad had happened to Caylee or if Casey was just hiding her away somewhere and she was okay just like last time. This happening before explains a lot about how the family reacted to this situation. They thought Casey was pulling the wool over their eyes again. This time, however, she wasn't.
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I guess I understand they love their daughter. I just don't know why.

I agree that the first scenario makes a lot of sense. When you consider how various family members reacted to Caylee's absence - Cindy's threat to involve the police and then making the three 911 calls in an effort to force Casey to tell where Caylee was clearly shows that Cindy thought Casey was purposely withholding Caylee from her.

When Lee talked with Casey that night - July 15, 2008 - he tried to reason with Casey that she needed to allow someone to verify that Caylee was okay. He tried to get Casey to go with himself or his roommate to wherever Caylee was. He told Casey that since Cindy has involved the police, they're going to make Casey take them to wherever Caylee was.

Of course Casey couldn't take anyone to where Caylee was so she quickly came up with the nanny kidnapped Caylee story. She thought that would buy her indefinite time.

I've always felt that Lee's asking, "is this like before", was in reference to something that happened previously with Caylee - Casey withholding her from Cindy, and that fits with the first scenario too.

Casey's phone call from jail shows that Cindy was still clinging to the idea that Casey is withholding Caylee when she says, "sweetheart, you're not telling the police where she is."

 

[Purple Iris]

Since some of you have mentioned the protestors that were outside the house, it brings to mind something that I've thought for a long time.

Leonard Padilla told in the beginning that he had asked Baez a number of times to get some extra help, and secruity out to the house. That something was going to happen, and someone was going to get hurt. Baez assured him that he would do so, yet, nothing was done until that one group came in. I can't remember their names, they wore those berets.

Anyway, to tell you the trueth, I've always thought that Baez instigated and sought out those people to go to the Anthony's home to protest.
I mean, lets be honest, the majority of those people were not what you would call ideal citizens.
Toss em a $20 and tell em to invite their friends. I'm sure he could have quietly put the word out.

I know it sounds crazy, and maybe it is.
But, at the time, this thing had gone rabid, Baez was making the rounds of anyone that would give him 2 minutes of face time. He was gloating, and he loved it.
How many times did he show up in the middle of a muck with the cameras running? And, take time to talk to boot?? A few that I can remember.

The one and only time that he looked ticked off was the morning that he went to pick up Casey and practically slammed the door on her when she was getting in the car. That was the morning after Casey called 911, not once, but 2, maybe 3 times. Ordering them to get there NOW, that there was going to be an "altercation with her parents" outside, etc.
She didn't have a problem calling 911 when she feared that her parents would not be able to keep the protesters from storming the house. In fact, I think that was also the night that they were throwing coins at her bedroom window.
She wasn't afraid for her parents, she was afraid for herself.

But, getting back to those protesters.
I've seen people do so before. There can be peacefull protests.
They could have shown up and silently stood on the street, completely off the Anthony property, and not said a word.
Just hold their signs.
I'm sorry to put it this way, but these people, were gutter trash, IMO, for the most part.
As mentioned, who brings their children to something like this?
Who carries on the way that they did?

I'm not sticking up for George and Cindy in any way either ~ They didn't need to come out of the house.

The fire was outside, they didn't need to go out to it and fuel to an already out of control blaze.

I will always believe that Baez was instrumental in getting those people over to the house and to act out in a way that would surely attract more attention.
He loved it ~

The only one that showed any decency was the woman with the dog, and even after the show that Lee put on, she still maintained herself.

Oh well ~ Back to the topic of which this started. I just wanted to get this off my mind, as it's been there for a long time.

I think that everyday that goes by, we are hearing more and more things that are making us have a WTF thought.
Alot of them have already been brought up, so, now I'll retreat and go back and read everyones ideas and "wonders" on it.

 

[Solace]

Since some of you have mentioned the protestors that were outside the house, it brings to mind something that I've thought for a long time.

Leonard Padilla told in the beginning that he had asked Baez a number of times to get some extra help, and secruity out to the house. That something was going to happen, and someone was going to get hurt. Baez assured him that he would do so, yet, nothing was done until that one group came in. I can't remember their names, they wore those berets.

Anyway, to tell you the trueth, I've always thought that Baez instigated and sought out those people to go to the Anthony's home to protest.
I mean, lets be honest, the majority of those people were not what you would call ideal citizens.
Toss em a $20 and tell em to invite their friends. I'm sure he could have quietly put the word out.

I know it sounds crazy, and maybe it is.
But, at the time, this thing had gone rabid, Baez was making the rounds of anyone that would give him 2 minutes of face time. He was gloating, and he loved it.
How many times did he show up in the middle of a muck with the cameras running? And, take time to talk to boot?? A few that I can remember.

The one and only time that he looked ticked off was the morning that he went to pick up Casey and practically slammed the door on her when she was getting in the car. That was the morning after Casey called 911, not once, but 2, maybe 3 times. Ordering them to get there NOW, that there was going to be an "altercation with her parents" outside, etc.
She didn't have a problem calling 911 when she feared that her parents would not be able to keep the protesters from storming the house. In fact, I think that was also the night that they were throwing coins at her bedroom window.
She wasn't afraid for her parents, she was afraid for herself.

But, getting back to those protesters.
I've seen people do so before. There can be peacefull protests.
They could have shown up and silently stood on the street, completely off the Anthony property, and not said a word.
Just hold their signs.
I'm sorry to put it this way, but these people, were gutter trash, IMO, for the most part.
As mentioned, who brings their children to something like this?
Who carries on the way that they did?

I'm not sticking up for George and Cindy in any way either ~ They didn't need to come out of the house.

The fire was outside, they didn't need to go out to it and fuel to an already out of control blaze.

I will always believe that Baez was instrumental in getting those people over to the house and to act out in a way that would surely attract more attention.
He loved it ~

The only one that showed any decency was the woman with the dog, and even after the show that Lee put on, she still maintained herself.

Oh well ~ Back to the topic of which this started. I just wanted to get this off my mind, as it's been there for a long time.

I think that everyday that goes by, we are hearing more and more things that are making us have a WTF thought.
Alot of them have already been brought up, so, now I'll retreat and go back and read everyones ideas and "wonders" on it.

Hi Purple,

Have to disagree. Baez did not need to instigate anything when you look at the people who protested. Also, he would not take the chance of any of them actually speaking about it to the news which they would have at some point. The caliber of people protesting was nothing more than trailer trash. He is not above a lot of things, but he did not pay them to do anything.

 

[Aedrys]

Hi Purple,

Have to disagree. Baez did not need to instigate anything when you look at the people who protested. Also, he would not take the chance of any of them actually speaking about it to the news which they would have at some point. The caliber of people protesting was nothing more than trailer trash. He is not above a lot of things, but he did not pay them to do anything.

Or he got his PI cronies to do it for him (yes, I think of them more as cronies than actual PI's). Why be so angry at Casey unless he was mad that she called 911 three times, showing she's more concerned about her own butt than Caylee's. I bet he wasn't expecting her to do that. I bet he told her to stay in the house and that he would take care of everything. And of course, Casey didn't listen. He might have even told the A's to go out and make a fuss as well (not that they would need his motivation, but to save Casey, I bet they would agree to do it). Notice Casey was the only one who never came out and confronted the protestors - Casey, the girl who had no problem screaming at her mom in the driveway on a regular basis. I always felt something was fishy about the protestors and what happened at the house. I don't think all of them were swayed by Baez to be there, but at least some were, IMO.

I would not put it past him to try to instigate anything, especially using his cronies, I mean PI's, to do it. Look what they did to Marinade Dave, which got Judge Strickland off of the case. I don't like Marinade Dave, but I like even less the PI who went and talked to him just to set up Judge Strickland. Baez is not below anything in this case. Hello, he went through over 200,000 like it was pocket change. Who knows who's pockets that money went into to make the A's and Casey look like harassed victims in the beginning!

 

[LancelotLink]

I'm going to have to agree with Purple Iris. There was always something hinky about those protesters, and the "scuffles" seemed to escalate without any physical harm being done to anyone. Well, except for the little boy who got his arm slammed in the truck. and I'm not saying I wish there had been physical beat downs, no way. Purple, thanks, that makes sense to me that these or some of these protesters were plants, because watching this play on TV, some of it just seemed staged. Never could figure it out, didn't want to think about it really, as it was such a disgusting display. So, I thank you! I think you are spot on with this thinking!

 

[LancelotLink]

Or he got his PI cronies to do it for him (yes, I think of them more as cronies than actual PI's). Why be so angry at Casey unless he was mad that she called 911 three times, showing she's more concerned about her own butt than Caylee's. I bet he wasn't expecting her to do that. I would not put it past him to try to instigate anything, especially using those PI's to do it. Look what they did to Marinade Dave, which got Judge Strickland off of the case. I don't like Marinade Dave, but I like even less the PI who went and talked to him just to set up Judge Strickland. Baez is not below anything in this case. Hello, he went through over 200,000 like it was pocket change. Who knows who's pockets that money went into to make the A's and Casey look like harassed victims in the beginning!

Did she really call 911 three times? The similarities are uncanny, no? Had to call three times to get the police there quicker. Hmm.

 

[Aedrys]

Did she really call 911 three times? The similarities are uncanny, no? Had to call three times to get the police there quicker. Hmm.

Yep. Oh how I wish this could be brought up in court. But that would require Casey on the stand.

Still, I'd love to hear, after LDB would ask Casey about it and verify it, "Let the record show that the defendant immediately called 911 when her own life was in danger, but waited 31 days to tell her mom her daughter was missing, and then her mom called 911, not the defendant. We can clearly see who's life is more important to the defendant."

 

[jon_burrows]

Yep. Oh how I wish this could be brought up in court. But that would require Casey on the stand.

Still, I'd love to hear, after LDB would ask Casey about it and verify it, "Let the record show that the defendant immediately called 911 when her own life was in danger, but waited 31 days to tell her mom her daughter was missing, and then her mom called 911, not the defendant. We can clearly see who's life is more important to the defendant."

Interesting, I didn't know she made three calls. I do remember her condescending voice to the 911 operator telling her this had to stop (or something like that).

Casey made it a point to bad mouth the police saying she didn't trust them, they were lying, misconstruing everything, not listening to her, blah blah blah. I wonder if those tapes come in to show she had no interest in finding Caylee like she said she did then maybe her 911 calls can come in too. She loathes them when she's caught but wants them at her beck and call when she fears for herself. She can't have it both ways.

 

[nums24]

fftopic: Kind of..... we could all use a good laugh once in a while...


http://eggtreenews.wordpress.com/20...hristmas-wish-list-to-judge-perry-by-mistake/

 

[logicalgirl]

fftopic: Kind of..... we could all use a good laugh once in a while...


http://eggtreenews.wordpress.com/20...hristmas-wish-list-to-judge-perry-by-mistake/

:floorlaugh:

Baez's chosen attire to wear to court is pretty funny also. I can "see" that! LOL

 

[Solace]

I'm going to have to agree with Purple Iris. There was always something hinky about those protesters, and the "scuffles" seemed to escalate without any physical harm being done to anyone. Well, except for the little boy who got his arm slammed in the truck. and I'm not saying I wish there had been physical beat downs, no way. Purple, thanks, that makes sense to me that these or some of these protesters were plants, because watching this play on TV, some of it just seemed staged. Never could figure it out, didn't want to think about it really, as it was such a disgusting display. So, I thank you! I think you are spot on with this thinking!

Not true. A little boy's hand was almost crushed in a car door.

 

[Purple Iris]

Yep. Oh how I wish this could be brought up in court. But that would require Casey on the stand.

Still, I'd love to hear, after LDB would ask Casey about it and verify it, "Let the record show that the defendant immediately called 911 when her own life was in danger, but waited 31 days to tell her mom her daughter was missing, and then her mom called 911, not the defendant. We can clearly see who's life is more important to the defendant."

I'm not so sure that it can't, or, won't be brought in to the trial.

There has to be a way to work this in ~ to be presented without Casey having to take the stand.

Maybe in their ending statements. Just as you said, it is clear that she is more concerned with her safety and well being at that point.
Jeff Ashton can cap it off with that 911 call.

Play and remind the jury of Cindy's 911 call that got this ball rolling, and wrap it up with this one.

They don't have to ask her if this is her, she tells who she is, what is going on, and what she wants ~

Regarding the number of calls that night - I know that it was at least twice that she called.
And, I'm thinking that there was possibly another night that she called.
Yes, there was, cause I remember watching Nancy Grace that night and all hell was breaking loose at the house again ~ Jane Valez-Mitchell was hosting that night.
When the cops finally showed up, they drove up onto the yard almosts to the front door {that had to have rubbed the Anthony's the wrong way, messing up their grass and running over their crime scene tape}, and took Casey back to jail that night.

It's the first time that I've seen the Nancy Grace show go into the next hour, cause they stayed on it live.

 

[zippitydoda]

I&#8217;m baffled that I can&#8217;t figure out KC&#8217;s exit plan.

Why, after all she had done to Caylee, and her parents, and was now living her version of la dolce vita, would she screw it up by so blatantly by stealing from Amy and hang around the scene of the crime?

Suppose CA has not yet confronted KC at AL&#8217;s apartment, I&#8217;m thinking that KC&#8217;s world was about to implode anyway&#8230;

KC can never produce Caylee, and that prevents her from ever returning to Ca & GA&#8217;s home, making her homeless. KC also knows the car is gone, and now has no transportation.

KC&#8217;s cell phone is possibly days from being shut off; a two month past due payment is reversed from CA&#8217;s account. KC has no job, no money and, no longer has access to CA&#8217;s accounts to pay her outstanding cell phone bills &#8211; her cell phone is everything to her. KC is also caught using GGPa&#8217;s nursing home account to pay another month&#8217;s cell phone bill, which was later reversed, and now makes it 3 months past due.

KC steals $400 from Amy right before she left for her PR trip, and then goes on another spending spree with Amy&#8217;s checking account &#8211; which totals over $1,000. She also tries to pay her cell bill, but the payment is rejected. KC has to know that Amy will find out about the theft &#8211; she&#8217;s now back from PR and, with online banking, is probably hours away from finding out she been clean out by KC. Amy is a big part of KC&#8217;s circle of friends, and would surely out KC as a thief to them all. Tony and his friends, along with Ricardo and Amy, would never let her back into their apartments. She would have been kicked to the curb.

KC did not buy anything of any use to her with all of Amy&#8217;s cash, no plane or bus tickets, no new identity paperwork - nothing that would aid her in starting a new life.

What do you think KC would have done, if it was Amy who caught her and not CA? What would KC do next?

 

[Numbers]

I’m baffled that I can’t figure out KC’s exit plan.

Why, after all she had done to Caylee, and her parents, and was now living her version of la dolce vita, would she screw it up by so blatantly by stealing from Amy and hang around the scene of the crime?

Suppose CA has not yet confronted KC at AL’s apartment, I’m thinking that KC’s world was about to implode anyway…

KC can never produce Caylee, and that prevents her from ever returning to Ca & GA’s home, making her homeless. KC also knows the car is gone, and now has no transportation.

KC’s cell phone is possibly days from being shut off; a two month past due payment is reversed from CA’s account. KC has no job, no money and, no longer has access to CA’s accounts to pay her outstanding cell phone bills – her cell phone is everything to her. KC is also caught using GGPa’s nursing home account to pay another month’s cell phone bill, which was later reversed, and now makes it 3 months past due.

KC steals $400 from Amy right before she left for her PR trip, and then goes on another spending spree with Amy’s checking account – which totals over $1,000. She also tries to pay her cell bill, but the payment is rejected. KC has to know that Amy will find out about the theft – she’s now back from PR and, with online banking, is probably hours away from finding out she been clean out by KC. Amy is a big part of KC’s circle of friends, and would surely out KC as a thief to them all. Tony and his friends, along with Ricardo and Amy, would never let her back into their apartments. She would have been kicked to the curb.

KC did not buy anything of any use to her with all of Amy’s cash, no plane or bus tickets, no new identity paperwork - nothing that would aid her in starting a new life.

What do you think KC would have done, if it was Amy who caught her and not CA? What would KC do next?

Steal everything she could from TonE, his roomies, and the till at Fusion, call Mark Hawkins and hit him up for busfare to Cali and start all over with a new set of unsuspecting targets.

 

[noonie]

My baffle is Cindy saying in court that she still thinks Caylee is alive!!!!!!!!!!!!! HUH??????But she wears her necklace full of the childs ashes for all to see. Maybe she just wants more money thru her old job claiming now she is CRAZY!!!!!! I've never seen anything like this circus. It is shameful and deliberate for all to see. Disgusting !