WHAT Has Been Said & By WHOM... That Baffles You? (aka Oh No They Didn't!)

[Horace Finklestein]

Since some of you have mentioned the protestors that were outside the house, it brings to mind something that I've thought for a long time.

Leonard Padilla told in the beginning that he had asked Baez a number of times to get some extra help, and secruity out to the house. That something was going to happen, and someone was going to get hurt. Baez assured him that he would do so, yet, nothing was done until that one group came in. I can't remember their names, they wore those berets.

Anyway, to tell you the trueth, I've always thought that Baez instigated and sought out those people to go to the Anthony's home to protest.
I mean, lets be honest, the majority of those people were not what you would call ideal citizens.
Toss em a $20 and tell em to invite their friends. I'm sure he could have quietly put the word out.

I know it sounds crazy, and maybe it is.
But, at the time, this thing had gone rabid, Baez was making the rounds of anyone that would give him 2 minutes of face time. He was gloating, and he loved it.
How many times did he show up in the middle of a muck with the cameras running? And, take time to talk to boot?? A few that I can remember.

The one and only time that he looked ticked off was the morning that he went to pick up Casey and practically slammed the door on her when she was getting in the car. That was the morning after Casey called 911, not once, but 2, maybe 3 times. Ordering them to get there NOW, that there was going to be an "altercation with her parents" outside, etc.
She didn't have a problem calling 911 when she feared that her parents would not be able to keep the protesters from storming the house. In fact, I think that was also the night that they were throwing coins at her bedroom window.
She wasn't afraid for her parents, she was afraid for herself.

But, getting back to those protesters.
I've seen people do so before. There can be peacefull protests.
They could have shown up and silently stood on the street, completely off the Anthony property, and not said a word.
Just hold their signs.
I'm sorry to put it this way, but these people, were gutter trash, IMO, for the most part.
As mentioned, who brings their children to something like this?
Who carries on the way that they did?

I'm not sticking up for George and Cindy in any way either ~ They didn't need to come out of the house.

The fire was outside, they didn't need to go out to it and fuel to an already out of control blaze.

I will always believe that Baez was instrumental in getting those people over to the house and to act out in a way that would surely attract more attention.
He loved it ~

The only one that showed any decency was the woman with the dog, and even after the show that Lee put on, she still maintained herself.

Oh well ~ Back to the topic of which this started. I just wanted to get this off my mind, as it's been there for a long time.

I think that everyday that goes by, we are hearing more and more things that are making us have a WTF thought.
Alot of them have already been brought up, so, now I'll retreat and go back and read everyones ideas and "wonders" on it.

The protestors did nothing even close to the offensiveness of Lee's behavior. Destroying a woman's sign, trying to intimidate her, dumping her dog's water out, all the while muttering and lying about her not being allowed to protest there. Utterly disgraceful and belligerent.

 

[crucibelle]

..on which visitation tape did you hear this?
b/c no-one has been able to find it...

Hi lauriej!! A few others up-thread have said they heard it too, but I will do my absolute best to try and find that clip and post a link. I'd really like those who haven't heard it yet to be able to listen and give an opinion. I will say this: I am almost positive the clip I saw was on the wftv.com site (channel 9) because that is where I go to look at everything -- I really like the way that site has everything organized. In any case, I am gonna go looking for it.

 

[Sparky]

Hi lauriej!! A few others up-thread have said they heard it too, but I will do my absolute best to try and find that clip and post a link. I'd really like those who haven't heard it yet to be able to listen and give an opinion. I will say this: I am almost positive the clip I saw was on the wftv.com site (channel 9) because that is where I go to look at everything -- I really like the way that site has everything organized. In any case, I am gonna go looking for it.

I remember this also. Didn't she call his cell phone and he was driving? Then he lost service with his cell?

 

[Aedrys]

I’m baffled that I can’t figure out KC’s exit plan.

Why, after all she had done to Caylee, and her parents, and was now living her version of la dolce vita, would she screw it up by so blatantly by stealing from Amy and hang around the scene of the crime?

Suppose CA has not yet confronted KC at AL’s apartment, I’m thinking that KC’s world was about to implode anyway…

KC can never produce Caylee, and that prevents her from ever returning to Ca & GA’s home, making her homeless. KC also knows the car is gone, and now has no transportation.

KC’s cell phone is possibly days from being shut off; a two month past due payment is reversed from CA’s account. KC has no job, no money and, no longer has access to CA’s accounts to pay her outstanding cell phone bills – her cell phone is everything to her. KC is also caught using GGPa’s nursing home account to pay another month’s cell phone bill, which was later reversed, and now makes it 3 months past due.

KC steals $400 from Amy right before she left for her PR trip, and then goes on another spending spree with Amy’s checking account – which totals over $1,000. She also tries to pay her cell bill, but the payment is rejected. KC has to know that Amy will find out about the theft – she’s now back from PR and, with online banking, is probably hours away from finding out she been clean out by KC. Amy is a big part of KC’s circle of friends, and would surely out KC as a thief to them all. Tony and his friends, along with Ricardo and Amy, would never let her back into their apartments. She would have been kicked to the curb.

KC did not buy anything of any use to her with all of Amy’s cash, no plane or bus tickets, no new identity paperwork - nothing that would aid her in starting a new life.

What do you think KC would have done, if it was Amy who caught her and not CA? What would KC do next?

I think Casey lived in a fantasy world where her family would clean up her mess, and then she would just go on with her life. Caylee would be forgotten, she would be the center of attention, and all would be good. I think she had no concept of her mother calling LE, and LE being on this so fast and being so competent that they would see through her lies, figure out what she did to Caylee, and make her pay for it. This girl was just lazy, and since her family bailed her out every time before, she figured they would do their duty and bail her out of a bad situation again. She depended on them to save her, and this was one time they just couldn't. She definitely didn't think they would call LE and get her into real trouble either. They hadn't done so before, so why now? I'm glad she was lazy and stupid. That means she'll never leave jail and never be able to hurt another child or person ever again.

 

[crucibelle]

Ok, I found out a little bit about that jail tape in which Lee said "is this like the last time?" Apparently, it was a jail visit between Lee and KC that happened on the 24th of July. It was released to the public (don't know for how long) then it was PULLED. That really makes me go "hmmmm", because I'm wondering WHY it was pulled.. there is no trace of it anywhere. Makes you wonder if LE caught that little statement of Lee's. Anyhow, I'm linking some discussion about it here on WS, but there are discussions about it all over the internet. So those of you that have seen this vid, but cannot find it now, NO you are not going crazy.. lol!

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72591&page=20

eta: you need to scroll down the page a little.

 

[Aedrys]

Another thread made me remember one thing said that did blow my mind and still does: In one of the jail visitation videos, Casey mentions thinking about jobs, and her mother responds, "You don't have to work."

I'm sure this was talked about before, but reading it again, my mind is blown again. EVERYTHING that was wrong in that household Casey wise was because she wouldn't get a job and support herself and her child!!!!! And Cindy tells her she won't have to work? So what, she can go back to stealing from everyone else including you, Cindy? Now I know this was when the A's still thought they could get Caylee back, but still. Cindy is just one warped woman to say that to her daughter when her daughter not having a job in the first place led led to fights between her and George, and ultimately is a big factor that led to Caylee's death.

 

[Purple Iris]

Yes, Casey was making promises of "being good", etc, finding a job, and Cindy pipes up with the "No, you won't have to get a job", just having you and Caylee home again will be all we want.

Pretty crazy ~ Yes, you want your loved ones home, but, as Aedrys said, the reason that things have gone haywire is because of Casey's lack of working, stealing, and of course, the reason that Caylee is gone ~ forever.

The ground rules would have been laid that day once Casey even broached the subject about coming home and finding work.
Yeah = you ARE going to work, you ARE going to get your high school diploma, you ARE going to further your education with grants, scholarships, government help, whatever it takes for YOU to be able to be responsible for yourself and your daughter. Even if that meant a part time job and school. Things would have changed, and Caylee would have gone into registered daycare center.

And, she would have been held to a higher standard, outside of Cindy and George's reach. Cause had her "story" been true, that the "nanny stole/took" Caylee, once she would have been returned, social services would have had their hand in the Anthony home, and Casey would have been accountable to them as well.
At least for a time period of probably parenting classes, etc.
But, they certainly would have given her unlimited resourses for her to have managed on her own in the future.

But, no, "You won't have to work".
All righty then.......break out the sunshine and lollipops.

 

[Purple Iris]

Ok, I found out a little bit about that jail tape in which Lee said "is this like the last time?" Apparently, it was a jail visit between Lee and KC that happened on the 24th of July. It was released to the public (don't know for how long) then it was PULLED. That really makes me go "hmmmm", because I'm wondering WHY it was pulled.. there is no trace of it anywhere. Makes you wonder if LE caught that little statement of Lee's. Anyhow, I'm linking some discussion about it here on WS, but there are discussions about it all over the internet. So those of you that have seen this vid, but cannot find it now, NO you are not going crazy.. lol!

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72591&page=20

eta: you need to scroll down the page a little.

I think that particular video has been gone for a long time.
I've looked for it, months ago, maybe even a year or so ago cause it always made me have that WTF moment.

Casey replied in a hurry, that it wasn't and that subject was dropped like a hot potato straight of a 450 degree oven with no oven mitts.
Off limits, moving on fast is what those 2 did with that little tidbit.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Didn't Cindy or Casey say that Casey was as much of a victim as Caylee? I think that's the all time topper for me.

 

[Purple Iris]

Didn't Cindy or Casey say that Casey was as much of a victim as Caylee? I think that's the all time topper for me.

Yep, as matter of fact, both of them have, along with Baez as well.
All on video somewhere.

Actually, now that I have sat and thought about it, I think that Andre L also said the same thing at one time, or two.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Yep, as matter of fact, both of them have, along with Baez as well.
All on video somewhere.

Actually, now that I have sat and thought about it, I think that Andre L also said the same thing at one time, or two.

Aha! Explains why I couldn't remember which. I think Cindy said it on tv just before she caught herself, Casey said it in a jail interview and the when and where of Baez saying it escapes me. I really cannot fathom how these people sleep at night after spouting such vile, offensive nonsense.

 

[LambChop]

Didn't Cindy or Casey say that Casey was as much of a victim as Caylee? I think that's the all time topper for me.

Well, CA may have to eat those words at the end of this trial.

 

[Wagara]

Yes, Casey was making promises of "being good", etc, finding a job, and Cindy pipes up with the "No, you won't have to get a job", just having you and Caylee home again will be all we want.

Pretty crazy ~ Yes, you want your loved ones home, but, as Aedrys said, the reason that things have gone haywire is because of Casey's lack of working, stealing, and of course, the reason that Caylee is gone ~ forever.

The ground rules would have been laid that day once Casey even broached the subject about coming home and finding work.
Yeah = you ARE going to work, you ARE going to get your high school diploma, you ARE going to further your education with grants, scholarships, government help, whatever it takes for YOU to be able to be responsible for yourself and your daughter. Even if that meant a part time job and school. Things would have changed, and Caylee would have gone into registered daycare center.

And, she would have been held to a higher standard, outside of Cindy and George's reach. Cause had her "story" been true, that the "nanny stole/took" Caylee, once she would have been returned, social services would have had their hand in the Anthony home, and Casey would have been accountable to them as well.
At least for a time period of probably parenting classes, etc.
But, they certainly would have given her unlimited resourses for her to have managed on her own in the future.

But, no, "You won't have to work".
All righty then.......break out the sunshine and lollipops.

As idiotic as I think these people are, I really can't fault CA on this. At that point, she still thought Caylee was alive somewhere, especially if Casey had hid her before. Frankly, I would promise the moon until I got my grandchild back. Then I would show my child how things were going to be. That was not the time for CA to lay down the law IMO.

JMO but someone should have called child services on Casey a long time ago. Their involvement might have saved Caylee's life. It's obvious Casey held Caylee over the family's head often and has no heart.

 

[ZsaZsa]

As idiotic as I think these people are, I really can't fault CA on this. At that point, she still thought Caylee was alive somewhere, especially if Casey had hid her before. Frankly, I would promise the moon until I got my grandchild back. Then I would show my child how things were going to be. That was not the time for CA to lay down the law IMO.

JMO but someone should have called child services on Casey a long time ago. Their involvement might have saved Caylee's life. It's obvious Casey held Caylee over the family's head often and has no heart.

I disagree. CA knew by then that Cadaver dogs (2) had hit on her backyard.
She went on the NG show and then stated that one dog was inconsistent so they brought in another- that is NOT true. NG had a professional dog handler on and she stated that it was common practise to verify one dog's findings by bringing another with a handler that has no knowledge of the areas found.
CA lied to as large an audience as possible, and she was well into cover up mode then.

 

[ZsaZsa]

I think Casey lived in a fantasy world where her family would clean up her mess, and then she would just go on with her life. Caylee would be forgotten, she would be the center of attention, and all would be good. I think she had no concept of her mother calling LE, and LE being on this so fast and being so competent that they would see through her lies, figure out what she did to Caylee, and make her pay for it. This girl was just lazy, and since her family bailed her out every time before, she figured they would do their duty and bail her out of a bad situation again. She depended on them to save her, and this was one time they just couldn't. She definitely didn't think they would call LE and get her into real trouble either. They hadn't done so before, so why now? I'm glad she was lazy and stupid. That means she'll never leave jail and never be able to hurt another child or person ever again.

They had called 911 a few times to their home, possibly because of arguments with CA/ICA but we haven't seen any information from those calls- yet.

 

[Aedrys]

They had called 911 a few times to their home, possibly because of arguments with CA/ICA but we haven't seen any information from those calls- yet.

Wow, I did not know that. I thought that they had never called 911 until Caylee went missing. Well geez, Cindy, if it didn't work because of those fights, what in the heck made you think calling 911 when Caylee was missing was going to get you the truth from Casey?

 

[ynotdivein]

Yes, Casey was making promises of "being good", etc, finding a job, and Cindy pipes up with the "No, you won't have to get a job", just having you and Caylee home again will be all we want.

Pretty crazy ~ Yes, you want your loved ones home, but, as Aedrys said, the reason that things have gone haywire is because of Casey's lack of working, stealing, and of course, the reason that Caylee is gone ~ forever.

The ground rules would have been laid that day once Casey even broached the subject about coming home and finding work.
Yeah = you ARE going to work, you ARE going to get your high school diploma, you ARE going to further your education with grants, scholarships, government help, whatever it takes for YOU to be able to be responsible for yourself and your daughter. Even if that meant a part time job and school. Things would have changed, and Caylee would have gone into registered daycare center.

And, she would have been held to a higher standard, outside of Cindy and George's reach. Cause had her "story" been true, that the "nanny stole/took" Caylee, once she would have been returned, social services would have had their hand in the Anthony home, and Casey would have been accountable to them as well.
At least for a time period of probably parenting classes, etc.
But, they certainly would have given her unlimited resourses for her to have managed on her own in the future.

But, no, "You won't have to work".
All righty then.......break out the sunshine and lollipops.

IMO, at this point in the game between CA and KC this is actually what it boiled down to--what could CA offer KC to make her come home and bring Caylee back to them?

It was also a pretty crafty move on CA's part. If she knew KC was lying about her "event planner" job in order to dump Caylee on CA/GA when KC just wanted to partay, and she knew that Caylee disappeared on one of KC's faux-workdays.... well then what better passive-aggressive way to force KC to "mom-up" than by taking away her need for a pseudo-job?

(Does that make sense?)

 

[Numbers]

Wow, I did not know that. I thought that they had never called 911 until Caylee went missing. Well geez, Cindy, if it didn't work because of those fights, what in the heck made you think calling 911 when Caylee was missing was going to get you the truth from Casey?

From the looks of THIS they must have been on a first-name basis with the local cops.

 

[Amil]

LA/CA- Jail visit - July 28
Part 1- 19min 30sec
LA- "One thing I want you to keep into consideration, based on the contact that, um you know, based on what I know right now, what, you know, has been able to be conveyed to me you have to know that the....that everything is changed from, you know, a month ago, and that you know, even if we've been use to, or you know, acting a certain way or following a certain thing, that those you know, in a sense, that those rules may have changed"
(visit of July 28 - what could have changed from a month ago which would have been in late June?)

 

[Aedrys]

IMO, at this point in the game between CA and KC this is actually what it boiled down to--what could CA offer KC to make her come home and bring Caylee back to them?

It was also a pretty crafty move on CA's part. If she knew KC was lying about her "event planner" job in order to dump Caylee on CA/GA when KC just wanted to partay, and she knew that Caylee disappeared on one of KC's faux-workdays.... well then what better passive-aggressive way to force KC to "mom-up" than by taking away her need for a pseudo-job?

(Does that make sense?)

It does, but I don't think that's what happened. CA was the frightened one, an ICA was the angry one. I think ICA threw out that she was going to look for jobs on purpose, as a way to stab Cindy right in the heart. Cindy had to know that getting onto to Casey about finding a job, probably using taking care of Caylee as a reason why Casey had to get a job, was one of the major things that led to Caylee's death. So it was a deep gut reaction for Cindy to immediately respond, "You don't have to work."

It was the enabler in Cindy, the "Everything will be alright, Casey" part of her that she had used so many times in the past to get Casey to do what she wanted her to do, or if not, just clean up after Casey and keep her happy. Cindy was reverting to the way she had survived before - make promises to Casey that she didn't intend to keep for long, or didn't think she would have to keep for long. But Casey had the upper hand, and it must have made her happy to see her mother squirm and once again revert to those empty promises. There's no way Cindy saying that was going to work after she was on Casey to get a job instead of raising Caylee for Casey like she had originally promised to Casey so that Caylee would be born (we don't know this for sure, but it makes sense Cindy would promise that so Casey wouldn't get rid of Caylee).

I guess that's why it baffles me that she even said it, knowing full well that it couldn't possibly work. I think it was just Casey drawing that response out of Cindy, and Cindy was desperate enough to hope it would work to bring Caylee back to her somehow. If she calmed Casey, made her happy, surely she would tell Cindy where Caylee was. That's the whole problem right there. She should have been making Casey take responsibility for her actions and have Casey deal with real life consequences, and instead, it was sweep it up, clean up, it's no big deal, keep Casey happy, keep the perfect family image intact.

Still, Casey knew her mother was lying, and that's why it was such a dumb thing for Cindy to say. The game was over. There was no more making Casey happy, there was no more perfect family, and there was no bringing Caylee back.