What have we learned?

[Issi]

I think it is a fact there is a reward. I just don't know how much of a reward? Did the reward go up after Ron gave LE the note?

Do we know where the reward money comes from? Please bare with me. I am new at sleuthing.

Hmmm... I think a large chunk was from a private donation. Another part of the reward comes from... Hmmm.. is it Kidfinders?

I think finding the child alive would be reward enough for me.



edit: Eek.. microchipping the kids seems a bit too Orwellian for me. JMO

 

[Reznor]

Hmmm... I think a large chunk was from a private donation. Another part of the reward comes from... Hmmm.. is it Kidfinders?

I think finding the child alive would be reward enough for me.

Oh yes, finding the child alive would be a wonderful reward. I should have added that to my post.

 

[kellync]

Hmmm.....chipping the kids....I think we should look into this a little further. What would the pro's and con's be in getting a micro chip inserted into our children, for GPS tracking. I can't believe I just typed that! But really, could we save lives this way?

I have a teenaged daughter, I am all for the chip. Big brother would be me. She can remove it when she moves out into her own home. I already plan on having gps on her car, so what the heck. I wish there was a birth control pill that tasted like splenda so I could sprinkle it on her cereal in the morning, and she wouldnt even know it..but thats just me.

 

[love.child]

We should have a volunteer program in place that goes into action whenever a child is missing. Volunteers fan out and search every home within a mile radius. People would be allowed to refuse - I'm sure we would have to abide by laws - but that would be noted and volunteers would monitor that person til the child is found. Bless Tim Miller's heart but he looks for dead children. We need to step this up. I read that Jessica Lunsford was in her abductors closet (who lived across the street!) for two days. She must have been afraid to leave. We must teach even the smallest children how to get away from this kind of situation. I think people don't want to scare their kids. I can see it would be hard with girls but my boys I did tell them what to do in a bad situation from when they could first talk. And I also never took my eyes off of them. In this economy not all parents can watch their children all the time. We need to teach toddlers self defense.

The things that I have outlined would have saved Jessica. I fear that Haleigh is in a similar situation. I think some jerk has been watching from close by just like Couey. Haleigh was abducted at 3AM just like Jessica.

I just wish I could be in Satsuma I would search every house myself.

 

[Issi]

Thanks for all the fantastic commentary... Interesting stuff.

 

[jjgram]

I'm sorry.... folks... but I truly do like Jeraldo ! ! !
He has a certain weird... way... but... Let's face it ... HE DOES GO OUT THERE and ASK the QUESTIONS>>. He gets People T A L K I N G ! ! !

and that is where you start to learn ~ ~ ~ the T R U T H ! ! !
Think about it.... people say one thing... and then some people hold
back... and then some people lie...and some just PLAIN OMIT THE
parts that they don't want known/or think is NOT important..

I'm telling you.... It might NOT make sense right now... It might
seem HOKEY>>> or weird... But... notice.. some people just want
on the Camera.. Some people want "5 minutes" ~~~~

but ask one question one day...
ask the same question the next day....
and ask again...
SEE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Idea L@@King for LITTLE HALEIGH ! ! !
discovering the TRUTH.........
somebody.... somewhere KNOWS the TRUTH !!!!
Somebody.... somewhere will slip up/ or somebody will TELL what
they know. If it seems like JERALDO is the one who
stirred up the two Families... WELL FOLKS... You know that
they were NOT truly on THE SAME SIDE TO START WITH>>>

REALLY......... Think about it.... They might NOT have admitted it
OUT LOUD>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BUT it was there ! ! !

JMO
God Bless !
jjgram

**** L@@KING for Little HALEIGH & the T R U T H about her
disappearance ! ! !
~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~
also....Jeraldo hates perps who hurt little Children !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
+ + + + + + + + + + + + +

 

[mydailyopinions]

We should have a volunteer program in place that goes into action whenever a child is missing. Volunteers fan out and search every home within a mile radius. People would be allowed to refuse - I'm sure we would have to abide by laws - but that would be noted and volunteers would monitor that person til the child is found. Bless Tim Miller's heart but he looks for dead children. We need to step this up. I read that Jessica Lunsford was in her abductors closet (who lived across the street!) for two days. She must have been afraid to leave. We must teach even the smallest children how to get away from this kind of situation. I think people don't want to scare their kids. I can see it would be hard with girls but my boys I did tell them what to do in a bad situation from when they could first talk. And I also never took my eyes off of them. In this economy not all parents can watch their children all the time. We need to teach toddlers self defense.

The things that I have outlined would have saved Jessica. I fear that Haleigh is in a similar situation. I think some jerk has been watching from close by just like Couey. Haleigh was abducted at 3AM just like Jessica.

I just wish I could be in Satsuma I would search every house myself.

That is not true. Tim Millers group looks for the missing. There are many, many people who go missing that they find alive. Recently, they found a 2 year old boy who wondered off from his family during a vacation. He was found a day or so later..Tim was there with TES.
Many elderly people with Alzheimers walks away from their homes, and Tim goes to search for them.

 

[txsvicki]

I don't learn anything by watching the media report on these cases. It's mostly all circus and gossip where they are concerned. The newspaperps report facts and provide links, but most everything that is talked about first on Websleuths. The media is pretty much useless except for maybe getting the child's pic out there and keeping it in the news. They could just do it in a higher classed less slanderous way.

 

[TrY]

As to this case I've learned that websleuthers pull up a lot of info that the mainstream news media don't, can't, or won't report on.

As to GR, I think he's done a good job with what he has. My impression is that he at least will go on air and ask the questions that we wonder about like drug use, the other news media are tip toeing around RC's past.

 

[love.child]

I think what I said about Tim Miller may have sounded disrespectful. What I meant was that I should donate money and volunteer my time so that Tim Miller and his volunteers can be deployed sooner. I meant that the community should support him to be able to find a live child. For example, he should be given the new presidential helicopter. Obama does not need to go anywhere. I think even Obama would agree with me on that.

 

[PoppyH]

What have we learned?

SQUAT!

Sorry but MY OPINION......

just a bunch of lies and confusion...

bottom line....... WE DON'T KNOW WHERE HALEIGH IS!

ITA, I was thinking the exact same thing, another child has just vanished into thin air it seems and no one including us knows nuthin

 

[Gracenote]

I have learned that, if you have children, you should
#1-get a pack of yappy dogs. They should go everywhere with you to ward off would be kidnappers and alert you to persons coming toward your children.
2#-You should never have changes in your phone service or lose your phone. Write down all contact numbers in a safe place and text instead of calling so that your whereabouts and conversations can be confirmed.
#3-If anything happens to your child you WILL be the first suspect.
#4-Try to look pretty and speak properly even though you are wrecked with panick, because everything you say will be replayed in multitude on national television.
#5-We should send major $$ to the people responsible for microchipping dogs, in the hopes they can come up with a microchip that has GPS locator included-then chip the kids
#6-Websleuthers are really smart cookies

Re; #5- we have program here that provides bracelets for Alzheimer's patients so they can be tracked when they wander off. I would be ok with that for children, too. That way it can be removed if the parent wants it off.

 

[jcamille]

I have learned that, if you have children, you should
#5-We should send major $$ to the people responsible for microchipping dogs, in the hopes they can come up with a microchip that has GPS locator included-then chip the kids

As you can see by my avator, I have a dog and I know that there is a GPS locator for dogs on the market that allows you to track your dog to within 500ft. - it's not a microchip -you put it on the dog's collar. My dog has gotten out of my fence a couple of times and I have considered buying it, but the price is a little high for me to afford - about $300-400 I think, but coming down in price.

I am pretty sure that they make a GPS locator for kids that you put on them like a watch, but I'm not sure of the cost. An episode of "Without a Trace" featured a child that was prone to getting lost whose parents had one for him. I think a GPS locator for kids is a good idea, but it would have to be a reasonable size to not be obviously detectable as a GPS device. For example, if it looked like a regular bracelet or necklace or watch, it may not be so obvious that is what it is (and therefore, not as obvious to an abductor).

 

[jcamille]

Hmmm.....chipping the kids....I think we should look into this a little further. What would the pro's and con's be in getting a micro chip inserted into our children, for GPS tracking. I can't believe I just typed that! But really, could we save lives this way?

This is going off-topic - please feel free to skip - if you are not interested.

A dog's microchip is NOT a GPS device. It's the size of a grain of rice implanted under the dog's skin between the shoulder blades that has a tracking number on it that can be read by a wand scanned over the dog's body. That tracking number is registered with one or more of the major organizations that sell microchips and house the database of chips and owner information.

If your dog is lost and is picked up by animal control or other dog organization, your dog MUST be scanned at least twice for a microchip before it can be put to sleep (as a stray animal), in the hopes of reuniting the owner and the dog. If a microchip is found, animal control can contact the major microchip databases to find out who the owner of the dog is based on the dog's microchip number.

I had my dog microchipped about 5 years ago. When I called the number on his microchip ID tag that goes on his collar to change some contact information a few years ago, I found out he was somehow not registered! Although I had paid for the microchipping, took him to the vet to have him microchipped, had him scanned to insure that the microchip was indeed between his shoulder blades, and he had a tag on his collar indicating that he had a microchip. His registration did not get into the database. For all those years, i thought he could easily be identified if he was lost and in fact, he would not have been identified and reunited with me.

If your dog is microchipped, I recommend calling the telephone number on your dog's tag to make sure that your dog's registation is in fact in their database.

I promise that's enough about dogs and GPS/microchipping from me.

 

[yosande]

Well.
What know for sure…Haleigh is missing. Anything after that is speculation. We can apply educated guesswork to what has been said on 911 tapes, media interviews and LE press conferences but we really have no good solid facts to build with. Without a foundation of good facts there is not much that can be done.

This is why the media should be important in this case. Media is needed to get past speculation and to get to the facts. That is not happening. The media is not investigating anything. They are not really that interested.

If this was a child from the home of someone from middleclass USA or up you can bet your bippy that media would be doing their own investigative reporting. They would be asking the questions that we are and LE would feel the pressure and at least make an attempt at looking like they want and need the public to help find Haleigh. Media would be out there trying to find dots that connect. Unfortunately this is just some small town, low-income type folks who have a past that has arrests, drugs and some questionable friends and family in it. The only difference between this family and any other is the income level and the address.
The media is not pushing LE for information because there will be no big 'fame' attached to finding that piece of info that could break the case wide open. And find Haleigh. Despite all of our questions regarding the players in this case these people are just not worthy of the time and GR carp over the weekend has just about squelched any possible chance for a rookie reporter to decide that he is going to use this case to do some really good comprehensive work to move up in the world of journalism. GR has made this case a pariah and no one will want to get to close for fear of being looked at as a tabloid reporter.

I do hope I’m wrong but unless LE has something very solid that they have been quietly working on all this time I believe that this will end up as a another cold case and Haleigh will become just another one of many children who are ‘missing and endangered’.

I do think you may be correct.
LE doesn't seem to know anything.
Calling RC and Chad in on Monday gives me the impression that they are not hot on the trail of anyone.
They have said, "everyone is suspect, no one is cleared."
That tells me they simply don't know if it was a stranger abduction, or family, or even if it was RC and/or Misty.
That's pretty darn sad.
Unless a good tip comes in, or someone stumbles on her dead or alive, she may be a long term member of that group.

 

[scandi]

I do think you may be correct.
LE doesn't seem to know anything.
Calling RC and Chad in on Monday gives me the impression that they are not hot on the trail of anyone.
They have said, "everyone is suspect, no one is cleared."
That tells me they simply don't know if it was a stranger abduction, or family, or even if it was RC and/or Misty.
That's pretty darn sad.
Unless a good tip comes in, or someone stumbles on her dead or alive, she may be a long term member of that group.

Hi Yosande, my fellow Oregonian. Good to always read your posts ;}

I just have this feeling that LE knows an awful lot and they aren't telling squat. They have every sound and word from that 911 call deciphered with the finest of equipment IMO, forensics, a host of friends and relatives who they have interviewed, criminal histories, etc.

The way they are acting IMO is quite different than the norm because they are dealing with unpredictable people. Mum is the best way to keep things going smoothly until an arrest is made. Again just my thoughts. xox

 

[Issi]

wow.. this thread kinda took on a life of it own. That's what I was hoping for... Looking for "outside the box" thinking... and you wonderful folks came through in spades.



Thank you.


I was looking for perspectives in the post OJ world... the post Casey Anthony...

How does it make you look at cases now? Are you more jaded, or are you more informed... and more equip to argue a case?

 

[yosande]

Hi Yosande, my fellow Oregonian. Good to always read your posts ;}

I just have this feeling that LE knows an awful lot and they aren't telling squat. They have every sound and word from that 911 call deciphered with the finest of equipment IMO, forensics, a host of friends and relatives who they have interviewed, criminal histories, etc.

The way they are acting IMO is quite different than the norm because they are dealing with unpredictable people. Mum is the best way to keep things going smoothly until an arrest is made. Again just my thoughts. xox

Thank you so much Scandi for the chin up.
I did so need the encouraging word.

 

[Kimster]

It's Oregon night

Although I don't care for his tactics, I do agree with Geraldo's report that there are drugs involved with this case. I do not believe RC when he says he has not been using. I think MC and RC need to stop covering their druggie life and tell the whole truth to LE. Hopefully they are at this point and are just lying to the cameras.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Re; #5- we have program here that provides bracelets for Alzheimer's patients so they can be tracked when they wander off. I would be ok with that for children, too. That way it can be removed if the parent wants it off.

Lifesaver International. Also used for children on the Autism spectrum. Wonderful program!