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[Dani_T]

This is what happened: When Darlie was frightening with him, she pushed the knife out of his left hand with her bloody right hand. He picked it up, ran toward the garage, threw the knife down, she picked it up and now they can't get the prints. Ta da!

No that's not what happened. Couple of problems there straight off.

Bevel testified that the knife had to have been fed blood running down the arm of whoever was holding it for it to gather on the tip like it did. That puts it in the hand of someone who was actively bleeding.

If it had been knocked out of the intruder's hand there would be spatter around where the imprint is, not a nice little outline of the knife.

If he threw it down in the u-room again there should be some blood pattern which will indicate that it was ever there, and some spatter to indicate it landed on the hard lino floor.

 

[Dani_T]

I do believe she wet towels, but not for the boys, especially since nobody saw her wetting any towels. I'm not saying she drenched the towels. More like dampened them to wipe up her blood from the counter, etc. I'm thinking she figured she wouldn't have to bring up wet/dry towels at all until she noticed the kitchen sink had been removed. And you're right, there are towels in the pix. You can't tell if they are wet or dry.

There was probably at least one wet towel because it is cleared she wiped out the sink and would presumably have wet the towel (or sink) to do that. However, it may simply have been the one she put on her neck. What is disputed is if she was running back and forth between the sink and the living room wetting towels as she and Darin claim.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

There was probably at least one wet towel because it is cleared she wiped out the sink and would presumably have wet the towel (or sink) to do that. However, it may simply have been the one she put on her neck. What is disputed is if she was running back and forth between the sink and the living room wetting towels as she and Darin claim.

That seriously would take a hell of an imagination to picture!

 

[beesy]

There was probably at least one wet towel because it is cleared she wiped out the sink and would presumably have wet the towel (or sink) to do that. However, it may simply have been the one she put on her neck. What is disputed is if she was running back and forth between the sink and the living room wetting towels as she and Darin claim.

Heck no she wasn't!

 

[Mary456]

Look, Mary456, last time we went through this - you accusing me of being a liar to be specific - I looked it up.

I have never called you or anyone else on these message boards a liar. Never.

And I very much resent you telling people that I have.

 

[Crimson Sky]

Hello, New here

Just wondering what peoples opinions were about the bruises that covered darlie's arms:waitasec:

 

[Dani_T]

Hello, New here

Just wondering what peoples opinions were about the bruises that covered darlie's arms:waitasec:

Welcome

Everyone of the nursing staff who attended Darlie whilst in hospital and who testified at the trial said that the bruising evidence on her arms in the photos taken at the police station 4 days after the murders were not there whilst she was in hospital for the 2 days after the murders. None of them saw even the beginning of massive bruising like that and they testified from looking at the photos that the brusing on show there could only was the around 24hours (max 48 hrs) old.

That means that the bruising occured after the murders and most likely after Darlie had been released from hospital.

Hope that make sense!

Dani

 

[ravenmad]

Does anyone know if they tested the toe nails of Devon for Darlies DNA? [I wonder if his kicking is what caused the scratches on Darlie] If this has been brought up before, I apologize.
raven

 

[Goody]

Hello, New here

Just wondering what peoples opinions were about the bruises that covered darlie's arms:waitasec:

Welcome aboard, Crimson!

We have had many, many discussions about the bruises and nothing has ever really been settled on that issue. Personally, I don't think they are terribly important because the bruising has no explanation whatsoever in relation to the crime. If you believe Darlie was a victim and an intruder did it, how did her manage to bruise only one arm from elbow to armpit yet both wrists? How did he manage to miss her face entirely, her torso, and her legs?

I think the most logical explanation is that Darlie bruised easily and that a combination of hospital treatments probably caused them. Nobody beats someone just in the arms, and even if they tried, they couldn't possibly deliver every blow to the arms and only the arms without hitting any other part of the body unless the victim was holding the arm stationary to be hit. I think it is safe to say that an intruder did not bruise Darlie's arms.

 

[Goody]

Does anyone know if they tested the toe nails of Devon for Darlies DNA? [I wonder if his kicking is what caused the scratches on Darlie] If this has been brought up before, I apologize.
raven

I don't think they did, Raven. The scratches are blown up in the photos and their actual size is probably much smaller than they appear. I have even wondered if maybe it was just a flaw in the skin from some past injury. Now that I am older and my skin is getting thinner, I can see a scar for every scratch I ever got. That stuff doesn't go away, it just waits for you. hahaha. Anyway, I am thinking that a camera could put so much light on an area like that that such flaws just under the surface could be magnified. Then when the photo is blown up (enlarged), distortion is bound to be misleading.

 

[ravenmad]

I don't think they did, Raven. The scratches are blown up in the photos and their actual size is probably much smaller than they appear. I have even wondered if maybe it was just a flaw in the skin from some past injury. Now that I am older and my skin is getting thinner, I can see a scar for every scratch I ever got. That stuff doesn't go away, it just waits for you. hahaha. Anyway, I am thinking that a camera could put so much light on an area like that that such flaws just under the surface could be magnified. Then when the photo is blown up (enlarged), distortion is bound to be misleading.

Thanks so much for answering my question Goody!!!!!!!!!!
I really appreciate it.

 

[beesy]

Hello, New here

Just wondering what peoples opinions were about the bruises that covered darlie's arms:waitasec:

Welcome! I think many of the bruises were caused by IV's and needles. I still have a bruise on my arm from where I had blood drawn last week. Some of her bruises were yellowish and you can even seen a little pin prick in one which is from the IV or a shot. I also think some of the bruising may have been caused by Devon pulling up his legs and kicking at Darlie, he had bruises on his feet. I think it's Dani T's theory that Darlie didn't mean to be a victim, but that she was injured in some way in a struggle with Devon. I haven't decided where she was accidently injured, but even bruises would have tied her to the murders. If he kicked at her, she would naturally assume she'd been bruised. Was it the arms or somewhere else? Those are not typical defense-type wounds, but seem to fit if a small child was kicking upwards. Any fight at all would have worried her enough to turn herself into a victim. But, like Dani said, the bruises did not show up in the hospital. I really believe that something happened to freak her out enough to make her think she had to cut her throat

 

[Goody]

But, like Dani said, the bruises did not show up in the hospital.

There is something wrong with that, too. I got with a flying phone the other day. No, we weren't fighting. The phone was being tossed to me and hit me like a torpedo. My leg was under a comforter and I guess that softened the blow some but it still hurt like the dickens. Point is, it made a oblong bruise an inch or so in length and maybe a half inch wide. The first day it was red, the second day rosy to blue, and the third day a navy blue, and the fourth (today) purplish. So, the nurses should have noticed something if she received the injuries that night. She was released from the hospital on the 8th. By then blue should have been surfacing. On the tenth, with would have been the fourth day, we shouldn't be seeing any red but we should be seeing purple. I haven't viewed the photos for a long time and now they have been so doctored up with supporters attempts to get a better view of them, mostly by enlargements that have only served to distort the color and size, etc., I am not sure it is possible to make any kind of accurate guess on them. If these bruises do not follow the normal bruise patter, it is probably because they coloring comes not from bruising but from some type of internal bleeding or settling, etc. Nothing else makes sense.

And speaking of Devon kicking Darlie during the attack, he could not have targeted only her arm. So if he kicked her hard enough to bruise her, you'd think they would have found bruises also on her torso. Afterall, her arms were extended above his legs. I would think that the only place he could have kicked her would have been in her stomach and thighs of her legs. Maybe a lucky shot could have hit her arm, but I can't visualize multiple hits there.

 

[Goody]

Thanks so much for answering my question Goody!!!!!!!!!!
I really appreciate it.

No Problem, Raven. Ask away and I will answer any time I know the answer. Or think I do. :waitasec:

 

[beesy]

And speaking of Devon kicking Darlie during the attack, he could not have targeted only her arm. So if he kicked her hard enough to bruise her, you'd think they would have found bruises also on her torso. Afterall, her arms were extended above his legs. I would think that the only place he could have kicked her would have been in her stomach and thighs of her legs. Maybe a lucky shot could have hit her arm, but I can't visualize multiple hits there.

Is it possible bruises to her torso were missed? Was she ever photographed naked? I think I read that Darin was and it is usually done. Maybe they were scared of her . LOL
I'm still going around on where Devon could have kicked her. When Dani T. mentioned that she didn't plan to be a victim, it made sense, except that I can't find a wound or bruise that fits that theory. Devon had to have fought with her, even without the bruised feet, we have the cut on his butt too. It could be that even if he didn't bruise her torso or thighs, she thought he did.
I think it's a really good theory and I believe it could be true. If Darlie and Darin talked before the 911 call, they could have worked out a plan then, not a good plan, but a plan just the same. What it comes down to is that we don't know where or when those dang bruises on her arms happened, except for the IV and other needles.
Sorry about your evil phone. Hope your leg doesn't hurt anymore.

 

[Dani_T]

When Dani T. mentioned that she didn't plan to be a victim, it made sense, except that I can't find a wound or bruise that fits that theory.

I think her arm wound fits nicely.

If Darlie and Darin talked before the 911 call, they could have worked out a plan then, not a good plan, but a plan just the same. What it comes down to is that we don't know where or when those dang bruises on her arms happened, except for the IV and other needles.

Well. obviously with my thoughts on Darin I don't think they worked out a plan- I think it was all her.

But I do also have some problems with the ideas that the IV and other needles made those bruises on her arms. I'm sure someone who bruises easily would end up with some sort of patterned bruising from an IV (do we in fact know she had other needles?). But the fact of the matter is that pretty much both arms are bruised fairly regularly and significantly heavily right up and down from wrist to at least upper arm. I just don' see how anyone could be bruised that badly on both arms from 2 days stay in hospital. It doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[beesy]

I think her arm wound fits nicely.

The stab or the bruising? Do you think Devon kicked her hand out of the way and the knife hit her arm?

Well. obviously with my thoughts on Darin I don't think they worked out a plan- I think it was all her.

You think he knows though, right?

But I do also have some problems with the ideas that the IV and other needles made those bruises on her arms. I'm sure someone who bruises easily would end up with some sort of patterned bruising from an IV (do we in fact know she had other needles?). But the fact of the matter is that pretty much both arms are bruised fairly regularly and significantly heavily right up and down from wrist to at least upper arm. I just don' see how anyone could be bruised that badly on both arms from 2 days stay in hospital. It doesn't make any sense to me.

No, I'm not saying all the bruising came from the IV and no I don't know for sure she had other needles. There is a pin prick on the underside of her left arm near the wrist(gallery 6 justicefordarlie). There's a strange pattern on the underside of the right arm which is a small circle of unbruised skin(gallery 7, justicefordarlie). I was saying that basically the most we know about the origins of the bruising is that some of it was caused by the IV, certainly not all of it.

 

[Dani_T]

The stab or the bruising? Do you think Devon kicked her hand out of the way and the knife hit her arm?

The cut on her arm. I think it all went downhill from there.

You think he knows though, right?

I think he probably knows now (although maybe he is still not compltely willing to admit it to himself) but I theorise that he probably didn't, in all honesty, think it was possible for months and months, probably well after the trial and after his TV apperances. It's just a theory but I certainly, at this point, don't believe that he came downstairs, found that all hell had broken loose, his wife had slashed his two sons to death and decided on the spot that he would happily side with and cover for the murderer he found himself married to.

I do think he covered up for her later though- not because he believed she was guilty but because he thought she was innocent and tried to give her some more credibility by tweaking his story. Didn't work obviously.

No, I'm not saying all the bruising came from the IV and no I don't know for sure she had other needles. There is a pin prick on the underside of her left arm near the wrist(gallery 6 justicefordarlie). There's a strange pattern on the underside of the right arm which is a small circle of unbruised skin(gallery 7, justicefordarlie). I was saying that basically the most we know about the origins of the bruising is that some of it was caused by the IV, certainly not all of it.

Hmmm - well we can speculate that some of it was caused by the IV etc but I don't see how we can know that for certain.

Then again maybe she did bruise well with the IV (confined to a small part of that arm) and got the idea from there...

 

[Goody]

The cut on her arm. I think it all went downhill from there.

The cut was to her right arm and she was right handed so it is unlikely she would have accidently cut herself during the attacks.

Also, the blood evidence seems to indicate that the cut on her arm had to occur rather late into crime, and that would long after Devon was dead most probably.

 

[Dani_T]

The cut was to her right arm and she was right handed so it is unlikely she would have accidently cut herself during the attacks.

Yeah I thought about that- I still think it is possible in those kind of attacks to end up with wierd wounds. She obviously got it somehow- so it was either during he attack or part of the staging.

Also, the blood evidence seems to indicate that the cut on her arm had to occur rather late into crime, and that would long after Devon was dead most probably.

What blood evidence?