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How incredulous of the defense to try and paint ICA as a frightened child...please GMAB. She had no fear of any LE agent, just watch her interview tapes, you won't see a "scared child"....she was an adult child who HAD a child of her own. What a pathetic portrayal...blech....and people wonder why defense attorneys are so abhorred....

His Honor was lost and looked very bored as Mason was doing his closing arugment...How he perked up with LDB. her tone, her words, phrases flow so easily...she will get Caylee justice..she has such an eloquent manner the jury will love her...I do hope His Honor rules for the state. ICA thinks she's got this and I'm betting she doesn't..

Yesterday on one of the threads I wrote..."I wish someone would say, the police were desperate for credible information, they already 32 days behind...and LDB didn't let me down. She did say this and it proves to me, LE was desperate for any and all information, credible information on Caylee's whereabouts. NOT one true word spoken from the mouth of a mother who hadn't seen her child...not to mention ICA was freely and voluntarily there to help find Caylee but not one credible piece of information given..

LDB said yesterday, "Not being subject to custodial interrogation, Ms. Anthony was not entitled to her Miranda rights." ...I so hope His Honor agrees..many cases were cited yesterday, each a different take on miranda, I suppose but custodial interference is the main reason ICA was put in jail, so will the miranda argument fall flat? I hope so.

The Anthony's, GA especially, needs to get a grip on his body language in the courtroom. The shaking of their heads, their lips pursed with anger..Chomping gum like a bunch of cows eating cud, they disgust me with their disrespect for the law (and Caylee), any branch of the law. I'm guessing the jury will also pick up on this. Between the A's and ICA, furious writting, tugging on her attorneys will be seen in a bad light. ICA is dying to tell it, so why doesn't she take the stand??? I'd PAY to see that! :loser:JMHO

Justice for Caylee
 
If I remember correctly, LA said he lied to his sister during their visit. GA said he would lie to save ICA. Yuri said he lied to ICA when he was on the stand. It is truly a toss-up. Which witness do they want to suppress the most?

I think they're going after Detective Melich. They think they've got something on him. Just my sense...
 
I think it's shocking the way defense attorneys have no qualms about attempting to destroy the lives of good people just to get their clients off. If they go after Detective Melich they're going for blood. They'll want to grind his entire life into dust.

Twisting the truth to destroy a human being just to get their phony 'gotcha" moment. Sickening.
 
I think it's shocking the way defense attorneys have no qualms about attempting to destroy the lives of good people just to get their clients off. If they go after Detective Melich they're going for blood. They'll want to grind his entire life into dust.

Twisting the truth to destroy a human being just to get their phony 'gotcha" moment. Sickening.

Just as TM stated, anyone who gets involved with the Anthony family gets bodyslammed...JMHO

Justice for Caylee
 
I did not know the defense would do this well. I am flabbergasted. I cannot believe all the stuff from the beginning could be thrown out. I guess Casey has all the rights.

How is it they have even been able to keep her in jail? Isn't that violating her rights? It seems to me that they will win because they lie. We know the story, we know what Cindy did and what Casey did but it doesn't matter.

It does not matter that people were looking for Caylee. Because Casey's rights have been violated. This is my first case, I thought for sure that Jose had no idea what he was doing but I was wrong. He, CM and Casey are on this, as I see.

Right now, I think she is going to walk. The defense has a argument for every single piece of information/evidence.

Caylee? Caylee who?

:twocents:
 
Why shouldn't Casey feel like she is getting off? Why shouldn't she believe she will get away with this? Everything smarmy they come up with, works! Somehow, they are allowed to make outragous statements and blame innocent people...

but everyone else's rights are not being violated? I guess because this is "about death" is why things are going this way...

I now understand why there are victim advocates. They are needed. Right now, it seems according to the court-it is Casey who is the victim. I do not understand why the judge would not be allowed to hear everything. Why is anything thrown out in a case? If I were innocent, why would I care what was heard or said?

But, most people being defended are not innocent, yeah? So, to defend evil you must be evil yourself. Casey knew exactly what she was doing when she chose Jose. And, for all her not being able to do anything right-she has sure gotten OCSO, FBI, Florida Courts, Jail, and judges right where she wants them. (remember she got rid of judge strickland)

If Casey is found guilty, and gets death: then all this "winning" will be for nothing. But, I am not so sure anymore she will be found guilty.

I am in no way happy to say that.

:twocents:
 
After watching the closings on these motions, all I could say at the end was, "This is the famous Cheney Mason? This stuttering, innuendo spouting unique person? He was nowhere near the facts of this case and after LDB finished her closing, CM was left to try and shuck and jive his way back. His continued use of sexual innuendo was only topped by his attempts to play "buddy" to the judge.
My mouth was hanging open. This was CM that I keep hearing is a master, etc.? This man couldn't close a parasol!
I'm going back to watch ICA during LDB's mention of TonE during her call home from jail. I thought she was going to explode. First sign of any real emotion from ICA. It was dark. and yet, I laughed.
 
At the end of the hearing yesterday - we saw ICA give Medina a poke in the back as if to say "see ya later" as she was being led out the door. We also saw Baez speak to Medina just after that - and to me it looked like he spoke to her "sharply". He was not a happy camper.

I was wondering if he is going to get Medina to talk to ICA and tell her to quit interrupting him, poking at him, touching him, etc., during the hearings when someone is speaking during arguments in front of the judge. There were a number of times he looked really irritated at her when she insisted in her little "sidebars" before he remembered to "smooth his face" over and be lawyer-like.

This is only the beginning. Although giving ICA pen and paper to keep her bizarre grooming and staring out of the picture, it seems to have also make her more aggressive with her defense team during testimony. I just don't think either defense attorney really wants to listen to her or read her scribbles. They will have to IMO do something more to keep her in line during the trial.
 
Why shouldn't Casey feel like she is getting off? Why shouldn't she believe she will get away with this? Everything smarmy they come up with, works! Somehow, they are allowed to make outragous statements and blame innocent people...

but everyone else's rights are not being violated? I guess because this is "about death" is why things are going this way...

I now understand why there are victim advocates. They are needed. Right now, it seems according to the court-it is Casey who is the victim. I do not understand why the judge would not be allowed to hear everything. Why is anything thrown out in a case? If I were innocent, why would I care what was heard or said?

But, most people being defended are not innocent, yeah? So, to defend evil you must be evil yourself. Casey knew exactly what she was doing when she chose Jose. And, for all her not being able to do anything right-she has sure gotten OCSO, FBI, Florida Courts, Jail, and judges right where she wants them. (remember she got rid of judge strickland)

If Casey is found guilty, and gets death: then all this "winning" will be for nothing. But, I am not so sure anymore she will be found guilty.

I am in no way happy to say that.

:twocents:

Chiquita, the truth will prevail, it always does..I don't think you should feel defeated, this is just what defense attornies do, place blame, deny, deny, deny...The wonderful LDB has this, ICA custodial interference and therefore not entitled to a miranda warning. I believe His Honor will rule for the State. Whatever it is they want thrown away is already in play. These foolish attornies should not take what ICA states as gospel truth for she is a proven liar. To hang on her word makes them irresponsible. They know she lied so how would it help her???

Have no fear, His Honor has never had one of his cases overturned on appeal. He will rule with the state. ICA shouldn't feel she will be set free, she won't. Once a jury hears of the 31 days, the lies, the partying, the tatt all while Caylee is allegedly missing, will do her in. She is no way beating these charges...Please don't feel as if she's already been tried and found innocent, for she is FAR from innocent....JMHO

Justice for Caylee will prevail...
 
At the end of the hearing yesterday - we saw ICA give Medina a poke in the back as if to say "see ya later" as she was being led out the door. We also saw Baez speak to Medina just after that - and to me it looked like he spoke to her "sharply". He was not a happy camper.

I was wondering if he is going to get Medina to talk to ICA and tell her to quit interrupting him, poking at him, touching him, etc., during the hearings when someone is speaking during arguments in front of the judge. There were a number of times he looked really irritated at her when she insisted in her little "sidebars" before he remembered to "smooth his face" over and be lawyer-like.

This is only the beginning. Although giving ICA pen and paper to keep her bizarre grooming and staring out of the picture, it seems to have also make her more aggressive with her defense team during testimony. I just don't think either defense attorney really wants to listen to her or read her scribbles. They will have to IMO do something more to keep her in line during the trial.

ITA! I was half expecting HHJBP to instruct ICA to stop with the writing already. It was distracting. She takes "keeping occupied" to the extreme. However, there were a few occasions during the LDB closing where I could see she was listening and only pretending to be too busy to hear.

It was not a happy time in the ICA dugout, that's for sure!

They presented balderdash, backed it up with more balderdash, tried to have GA and CA fill any voids with more balderdash and I think HHJBP knows it.

The argument by LDB was worth waiting for (as I had to watch after getting back home around midnight). She had the facts, the initial reports, all naming ZFG as the suspect, the bond hearing and common sense.
 
If I remember correctly, LA said he lied to his sister during their visit. GA said he would lie to save ICA. Yuri said he lied to ICA when he was on the stand. It is truly a toss-up. Which witness do they want to suppress the most?

MOO....and just my :twocents: but here's my take & understanding on CM's comments to HBP and RHornsby's blog...

RH refers to a seminar course CM gave whereby the defense strategy was one of deflection per se, in that the defense would have the judge instruct the jury (thereby giving it more weight and credibility) that certain witness(es) are liars/lying in their testimony in order to protect themselves and/or deflect blame onto someone else (KC). RH commented that part of CM's "theory of defense" was not to reveal said strategy as it would then influence witness testimony, change prosecutors strategy, etc. RH also commented that CM appears to not have taken his own advice by asking the judge to issue said "liar" instructions to the jury. Hence all the legal arguing in a portion of last week's hearing about instructions, etc.

So with that said....and based on both CM's & RH's comments, LA's straight-forward and otherwise credible testimony; and his 'comfort' level with SA.....I think Lee will be the witness the defense will try to show is a liar and is testifying to protect himself and that ties in with their case. Their argument is that someone else placed the body there while KC was in jail...or moved the body. I think we are going to find out that Lee ("he knows what he's done") was involved in doing something like this; that at the time he did it his priorities were misplaced; that since that time his 'position' has changed (i.e. he's now cooperating with SA because he was confronted with the evidence or admitted to it); and how he now seems to be squarely in Caylee's corner, and not that of his sister or his family.
If this were to be true....just think of the reasonable doubt this could raise in a juror's mind......

:waitasec:
 
ITA! I was half expecting HHJBP to instruct ICA to stop with the writing already. It was distracting. She takes "keeping occupied" to the extreme. However, there were a few occasions during the LDB closing where I could see she was listening and only pretending to be too busy to hear.

It was not a happy time in the ICA dugout, that's for sure!

They presented balderdash, backed it up with more balderdash, tried to have GA and CA fill any voids with more balderdash and I think HHJBP knows it.

The argument by LDB was worth waiting for (as I had to watch after getting back home around midnight). She had the facts, the initial reports, all naming ZFG as the suspect, the bond hearing and common sense.

Yes, ITA also. I loved your shucking and jiving comment above - perfect description. I'm going to watch CM's arguments again as soon as I can brace myself to hear them, but I frequently saw HHJP looking either amused or incredulous during some of CM's hoedown.
 
At the end of the hearing yesterday - we saw ICA give Medina a poke in the back as if to say "see ya later" as she was being led out the door. We also saw Baez speak to Medina just after that - and to me it looked like he spoke to her "sharply". He was not a happy camper.

I was wondering if he is going to get Medina to talk to ICA and tell her to quit interrupting him, poking at him, touching him, etc., during the hearings when someone is speaking during arguments in front of the judge. There were a number of times he looked really irritated at her when she insisted in her little "sidebars" before he remembered to "smooth his face" over and be lawyer-like.

This is only the beginning. Although giving ICA pen and paper to keep her bizarre grooming and staring out of the picture, it seems to have also make her more aggressive with her defense team during testimony. I just don't think either defense attorney really wants to listen to her or read her scribbles. They will have to IMO do something more to keep her in line during the trial.

ITA, Logical, I was waiting for His Honor to admonish her but he didn't. ICA was barking orders at them and Baez did seem irritated with her tugging at his suit sleeve an hitting him on his shoulder. CMason just glanced over what she showed him. I don't think they are interested in what she's saying, how could they? She's a proven liar and anything she states should be treated as suspect. She's got no truth in her...If this behavior keeps up during trial, she just dug her own hole...JMHO

Justice for Caylee
 
At the end of the hearing yesterday - we saw ICA give Medina a poke in the back as if to say "see ya later" as she was being led out the door. We also saw Baez speak to Medina just after that - and to me it looked like he spoke to her "sharply". He was not a happy camper.

I was wondering if he is going to get Medina to talk to ICA and tell her to quit interrupting him, poking at him, touching him, etc., during the hearings when someone is speaking during arguments in front of the judge. There were a number of times he looked really irritated at her when she insisted in her little "sidebars" before he remembered to "smooth his face" over and be lawyer-like.

This is only the beginning. Although giving ICA pen and paper to keep her bizarre grooming and staring out of the picture, it seems to have also make her more aggressive with her defense team during testimony. I just don't think either defense attorney really wants to listen to her or read her scribbles. They will have to IMO do something more to keep her in line during the trial.

I was wondering about the Medina and JB incident also, it seemed to me that he was truly angry at the close of the hearing, I don't know if it was because of the "job" that CM did or what. I don't think it's about ICA because as an attorney it's JB job to get ICA in line,I don't think it's Medina's responsibility. I just wish I was a "fly on the wall" when he whispered in Medina's ear and she quickly left him and got out of the court room :waitasec:
 
MOO....and just my :twocents: but here's my take & understanding on CM's comments to HBP and RHornsby's blog...

RH refers to a seminar course CM gave whereby the defense strategy was on of deflection per se, in that the defense would have the judge instruct the jury (thereby giving it more weight and credibility) that certain witness(es) are liars/lying in their testimony in order to protect themselves and/or deflect blame onto someone else (KC). RH commented that part of CM's "theory of defense" was not to reveal said strategy as it would then influence witness testimony, change prosecutors strategy, etc. RH also commented that CM appears to not have taken his own advice by asking the judge to issue said "liar" instructions to the jury. Hence all the legal arguing in a portion of last week's hearing about instructions, etc.

So with that said....and based on both CM's & RH's comments, LA's straight-forward and otherwise credible testimony; and his 'comfort' level with SA.....I think Lee will be the witness the defense will try to show is a liar and is testifying to protect himself and that ties in with their case. Their argument is that someone else placed the body there while KC was in jail...or moved the body. I think we are going to find out that Lee ("he knows what he's done") was involved in doing something like this; that at the time he did it his priorities were misplaced; that since that time his 'position' has changed (i.e. he's now cooperating with SA because he was confronted with the evidence or admitted to it); and how he now seems to be squarely in Caylee's corner, and not that of his sister or his family.
If this were to be true....just think of the reasonable doubt this could raise in a juror's mind......

:waitasec:

You could be right about the defense going after Lee as the liar, but I have readjusted my view of the comment "he knows what he has done" after watching Lee testify.

While I once took that "he knows what he has done" as a threat or an accusation, to me it now sounds like the rest of that sentence is "and his only concern was Caylee, and he has no need to be concerned about accusations that say otherwise."
 
I was wondering about the Medina and JB incident also, it seemed to me that he was truly angry at the close of the hearing, I don't know if it was because of the "job" that CM did or what. I don't think it's about ICA because as an attorney it's JB job to get ICA in line,I don't think it's Medina's responsibility. I just wish I was a "fly on the wall" when he whispered in Medina's ear and she quickly left him and got out of the court room :waitasec:

Yes, I agree, but according to the visitor log, Baez hasn't been to see ICA since before Christmas, has he? I think he is making Medina his errand "boy" so he doesn't have to interact with ICA.
 
MOO....and just my :twocents: but here's my take & understanding on CM's comments to HBP and RHornsby's blog...

RH refers to a seminar course CM gave whereby the defense strategy was one of deflection per se, in that the defense would have the judge instruct the jury (thereby giving it more weight and credibility) that certain witness(es) are liars/lying in their testimony in order to protect themselves and/or deflect blame onto someone else (KC). RH commented that part of CM's "theory of defense" was not to reveal said strategy as it would then influence witness testimony, change prosecutors strategy, etc. RH also commented that CM appears to not have taken his own advice by asking the judge to issue said "liar" instructions to the jury. Hence all the legal arguing in a portion of last week's hearing about instructions, etc.

So with that said....and based on both CM's & RH's comments, LA's straight-forward and otherwise credible testimony; and his 'comfort' level with SA.....I think Lee will be the witness the defense will try to show is a liar and is testifying to protect himself and that ties in with their case. Their argument is that someone else placed the body there while KC was in jail...or moved the body. I think we are going to find out that Lee ("he knows what he's done") was involved in doing something like this; that at the time he did it his priorities were misplaced; that since that time his 'position' has changed (i.e. he's now cooperating with SA because he was confronted with the evidence or admitted to it); and how he now seems to be squarely in Caylee's corner, and not that of his sister or his family.
If this were to be true....just think of the reasonable doubt this could raise in a juror's mind......
:waitasec:

BBM...but that wouldn't mean that ICA didn't do harm to Caylee? Even if, big IF, someone put Caylee in her final resting place, ICA still allegedly murdered her, how would that help? I don't think anyone helped ICA or it would have been shouted out from the highest tower, no, this is all ICA....JMHO

Justice for Caylee
 
You could be right about the defense going after Lee as the liar, but I have readjusted my view of the comment "he knows what he has done" after watching Lee testify.

While I once took that "he knows what he has done" as a threat or an accusation, to me it now sounds like the rest of that sentence is "and his only concern was Caylee, and he has no need to be concerned about accusations that say otherwise."

Lee's "warts and all" testimony told me he was through playing and equally finished with being played, be it by his parents, sister, defense, or state. He was just going to go in there and lay it all out.
GA and CA during the closings, while LDB was speaking, looked as though they were having their noses rubbed in their own poo, er lies.
If the defense plans to go this route for trial, no matter who they try to chunk the blame onto, the jury will see through it.
 
I'm thinking they are going to HAVE to drug Casey for the trial. If she is this irritating in four days of hearings, there is no way the defense is going to last two months or so with the trial with her doing that. We may see the defense smack their own client in court if that's the case. I think they have talked to her, over and over, and I think it's not working. They are going to have to almost put her to sleep to get her to sit still and not do anything. I'm half surprised that they don't have her diagnosed ADHD or OCD and get her drugs for that because she is definitely one or both of those.

As for their strategy, they are just inept. There are actually good points being raised (just because we don't believe those points doesn't mean that they aren't good points that need to be looked at). The problem is that the defense just can't seem to make a good argument for ANYTHING to save their lives. If they could argue halfway decently, they might win more motions. Instead, they use idiotic arguments like calling Casey Anthony a scared child. I mean really? Are they really that stupid? I'm starting to think this whole trial is going to be just bad, ridiculous arguments that the overly competent LDB and JA are going to crush under their feet each time.

I just don't understand how they can't see how much their ineffective argumentation skills are killing Casey more and more each day. How can they call themselves lawyers? I can't believe she can't see what buffoons she has for lawyers. It's just so sad and pitiful who she has arguing for her life. And all they are going to do is aid in her death in the end. I should be happier about that, but it pains me that that her representation is just so completely bad. Then again, she's the one who continues to be happy with them.
 
At the end of the hearing yesterday - we saw ICA give Medina a poke in the back as if to say "see ya later" as she was being led out the door. We also saw Baez speak to Medina just after that - and to me it looked like he spoke to her "sharply". He was not a happy camper.

I was wondering if he is going to get Medina to talk to ICA and tell her to quit interrupting him, poking at him, touching him, etc., during the hearings when someone is speaking during arguments in front of the judge. There were a number of times he looked really irritated at her when she insisted in her little "sidebars" before he remembered to "smooth his face" over and be lawyer-like.

This is only the beginning. Although giving ICA pen and paper to keep her bizarre grooming and staring out of the picture, it seems to have also make her more aggressive with her defense team during testimony. I just don't think either defense attorney really wants to listen to her or read her scribbles. They will have to IMO do something more to keep her in line during the trial.

I COMPLETELY agree with you on this. My take exactly. I think JB was still "sore" at KC for poking at him when he was talking to the judge. THAT is a big no, no. I think even JB knows that.
 
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