What is the origin of the planking rumor?

[imamaze]

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[time]

Adam and Jonah have both been interviewed by LE extensively and were very cooperative. Since the death is a suicide, records are sealed as they are with all suicides. I'm sure they told LE how quiet Rebecca was on Tuesday...and I'm sure there was plenty to confirm that Rebecca was upset in the text messages between her and Jonah. And IMO, that is one reason why Anne Bremner won't release all the files. JMO.

Huh? Where did you get this information?

 

[justice be served]

I imagine since Mary stated on Dr Phil she does not know who was there that morning: There is nothing certain about that morning as far as who was or was not in the house. My guess is that Marty and Anne are sitting on quite a bit of information, and would not be the first attorneys to say one thing in public and be privately thinking something else. Many times attorneys and law enforcement sometimes use the media and dis information tactics in order to confuse a potential suspect.

Jonah was NOT ever verified at being at the gym other than what he says. If we are to believe everything Jonah states as being a fact, then you have to believe and include taking him at face value when he states that Dina has a significant substance abuse problem which would include taking prescription pills with alcohol to get high. Additionally that would also include taking at face value Jonah's statements in the police reports about Dina becoming quite violent when angry or terrified about Jonah leaving her.


Coronado is a very small town, and I would bet quite a few people know and have discussed at length the fact that no one from the gym was ever questioned about nor did Coronado police bother to verify Jonah's location that morning in question. I'll bet my bottom dollar there are people in town who know the owners of the now closed gym, and have been told they don't think Jonah was in the gym that morning.

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As for GS and ES''s whereabouts that morning of Max's accident: If Dina has not put out to the public copies of GS/ES boarding passes or the plane manifest for the morning of Max's accident, she does not have them in her possession that information. I have no doubt Dina would have already put that information out there if she had it. I would imagine that if Jonah is no longer talking to Dina, the children are not talking to her either. In fact I would bet all three of them probably haven't spoken to Dina in close to a year or more.

My conclusion is straightforward based on the above information: Dina has no way of stating or knowing anything other than what Jonah has told her or the Coronado Police. And as that Dina does not have much faith in the Coronado police at this point, Dina probably should question anything and everything about that morning.

I don't believe there has been any definitive or reasonable explanation why Dina was completely unreachable the morning - to early afternoon - of Max's accident either. Just one more nonsensical piece to the puzzle.

 

[justice be served]

Huh? Where did you get this information?

Yes, wow, that's alot of conjecture but links would be welcome!

 

[justice be served]

Repeatedly accusing a dead woman on national tv of murdering your child is wrong. Dina isn't bothering to wait for the results of a new investigation into her child's death - she's already decided who is guilty and she's announcing it to the world via the national news media.

No, she doesn't have the right to slander the reputation of a dead woman who is no longer around to defend herself. Some folks just can't challenge others on a level playing field. They have to stack the deck against their opponent.

If Dina is confident that RZ killed Max, she should move forward and sue Jonah. The fact that she hasn't done so is odd. One would think a woman as smart, educated and professional as Dina could behave in a responsible, mature manner and pursue legal remedy against Jonah. Harping on national tv about a dead woman killing her child presents a very unflattering view of her to the public, IMO. If there is any truth to her theory that Jonah is responsible, let's hope she gets her act together and pursues an appropriate path.

Betty P, I thought this was such a good post it is worth bringing forward as I believe it got derailled. I believe that Dina is attempting to conjure up the public's sympathy and support for her prior to filing a civil suit. I think that attempt has been counterproductive and many sympathizers have now turned against her. It is too bad that she can't look at the bigger picture and push for both cases being reopened.

 

[Mr Spock]

I think Dina knows without a new police investigation, Jonah will use every legal trick in the book to tie Dina up in the courts for years. He would spend a million dollars not to give her a dime. Look at the 4 year divorce from Kimberly and his history with Medicis. This is a man who knows how to use and abuse the legal system against anyone who crosses him. Dina knows this. She also runs the risk of becoming responsible for attorneys fee's of whomever she sues if she does not win. I am positive Dina has been informed of all of this as well. Her options now, with a man like Jonah, are all pretty bad without another criminal investigation.

I find Dina's apprehension at having the AG's office reopen both cases somewhat bizarre. That would be her best option in regards to Max's case criminally AND civilly. You don't hear her attorney saying "no" to that idea do you? I wonder what Dina's argument is to her attorney and close friends/allies is to why she does not want the AG's office to reopen both cases? Anyone can see that the AG's office is the absolute best option she has going right now, if what I have suggested in my first paragraph to be true. I am pretty sure people close to Dina are wondering why all the apprehension on her part to the AG's office opening both cases, and they just aren't saying this to her.

 

[justice be served]

I think Dina knows without a new police investigation, Jonah will use every legal trick in the book to tie Dina up in the courts for years. He would spend a million dollars not to give her a dime. Look at the 4 year divorce from Kimberly and his history with Medicis. This is a man who knows how to use and abuse the legal system against anyone who crosses him. Dina knows this. She also runs the risk of becoming responsible for attorneys fee's of whomever she sues if she does not win. I am positive Dina has been informed of all of this as well. Her options now, with a man like Jonah, are all pretty bad without another criminal investigation.

I find Dina's apprehension at having the AG's office reopen both cases somewhat bizarre. That would be her best option in regards to Max's case criminally AND civilly. You don't hear her attorney saying "no" to that idea do you? I wonder what Dina's argument is to her attorney and close friends/allies is to why she does not want the AG's office to reopen both cases? Anyone can see that the AG's office is the absolute best option she has going right now, if what I have suggested in my first paragraph to be true. I am pretty sure people close to Dina are wondering why all the apprehension on her part to the AG's office opening both cases, and they just aren't saying this to her.

I think you have a really good point. Jonah has a particular affinity for lawyers and litigious actions. The Medicis corporate office reportedly has a large part of almost a floor of in-house counsel as an example.

I don't want to speculate on your second paragraph thoughts - only to say that the obvious answer may be the right answer.:what:

 

[freespeech]

I don't believe there has been any definitive or reasonable explanation why Dina was completely unreachable the morning - to early afternoon - of Max's accident either. Just one more nonsensical piece to the puzzle.

I agree that Dina's apparent non presence that morning was mysterious and not adequately explained in the 'Boy Interrupted' article. The confusion was then compounded by Nina's assertions in her audio interview. However, the discrepancies between the two versions of Dina's activities were so divergent that they appeared to be disingenuous at the best and duplicitous at the worst. No attempt has ever been made by either Dina, Nina or LE to clarify the discrepancies in each of their stories about that morning.

 

[K_Z]

I agree that Dina's apparent non presence that morning was mysterious and not adequately explained in the 'Boy Interrupted' article. The confusion was then compounded by Nina's assertions in her audio interview. However, the discrepancies between the two versions of Dina's activities were so divergent that they appeared to be disingenuous at the best and duplicitous at the worst. No attempt has ever been made by either Dina, Nina or LE to clarify the discrepancies in each of their stories about that morning.

I'm totally okay with Dina taking a long nap with earplugs, entertaining her houseguest, or doing what ever she pleased.

What I am NOT okay with is her choice to be irresponsible in not communicating her unavailability to Jonah. Particularly since she was to resume physical custody that day. It's not like she was so "sick" she was unable to notify her child's father that she would be unavailable and unreachable for a lengthy period of time. That was a choice. She could have called, emailed, or texted her unavailability.

The whole story of everyone trying to reach her for hours, LE pounding on her door, and the boyfriend finally answering-- just none of that says "responsible parent" to me. It's very peculiar behavior, imo.

 

[Mr Spock]

I'm totally okay with Dina taking a long nap with earplugs, entertaining her houseguest, or doing what ever she pleased.

What I am NOT okay with is her choice to be irresponsible in not communicating her unavailability to Jonah. Particularly since she was to resume physical custody that day. It's not like she was so "sick" she was unable to notify her child's father that she would be unavailable and unreachable for a lengthy period of time. That was a choice. She could have called, emailed, or texted her unavailability.

The whole story of everyone trying to reach her for hours, LE pounding on her door, and the boyfriend finally answering-- just none of that says "responsible parent" to me. It's very peculiar behavior, imo.

Was Dina's sleeping in behavior (and dead to the world?) a consistent pattern evidenced prior to the day of Max's accident? If "yes" then its very irresponsible and self absorbed behavior for the mother of a small child. You know who could answer if this was a regular habit of Dina's? Max's teachers. I read he attended a small affluent private school. The teachers there would certainly notice if Dina was frequently difficult to get a hold of via the phone, didn't return calls or if she picked Max up late.

 

[*Lash*]

I am very skeptical of all the stories that we have been told about that morning. If Dina was planning to take Max at noon, the timing does not add up. If we consider the time Max's accident occurred and Dina was not accessible from 10:00am to 2:00pm. How could Jonah or Rebecca have time to do anything with Max if Dina was picking Max up at noon? We have been told plans were made, yet Jonah allegedly wasn't even home at 10:00am and Dina was unreachable.

&#8226; Jonah was going to take Max to the zoo - BUT Dina was picking Max up at noon?
&#8226; Rebecca, Max and XZ planned to go to the beach - BUT Dina was picking Max up at noon?

If Jonah would have returned home at 10:30am, did he have time to take Max to the zoo before noon? The same with the beach story. Did time allow for this before Max was to be with Dina at noon? And again, Dina was not reachable until 2:00pm. Nonsensical. In my opinion, there are big holes in these stories. This is what makes me question what really was happening that fateful morning and the whereabouts of everyone.

 

[STS-135]

There sure were a lot of cameras taken as evidence. Planking and owling are valid only with the photos to post as proof.

Search Warrant 41227:
Item: 7: flip camera
item 8: Basket w/ cameras
Item 39: Olympus camera
Item 40: Lumix camera

Obviously, having an abundance of cameras in a home in which a six year old child suffered a fatal fall and then the child's father's girlfriend suffered a violent and suspicious death the following night is meaningless. Yet, that the investigators felt the cameras were significant enough to take into evidence is indicative that they believed the film in the cameras might shed light on what took place the morning of July 11 and evening of July 12, 2011.

Considering the extensive list of obvious items NOT taken into evidence (hair, dog bone, chair, red comforter, panties, Adam's clothing and boots, etc etc. etc.,), IMO taking the cameras is a huge red flag.

Do we know if it was in fact a comforter? Could it be one of those TV blankets or confi robes? Although we cannot see enough of it and the chair to even make a wild guess one way or the other, I still think it is a question worthwhile considering and researching. Especially in light of the flowery pattern which, on even closer inspection, does appear to be present at various other spots I failed to notice before but there doesn't seem to be much of a pattern to them at all.

Thanks!

 

[prospektor]

I think the origin of the "planking" rumor is WS.
I've seen this mentioned (along with the even much more fatal "owling") in the very beginning of the discussion threads. And since WS is usually quite among the first search results in Google, it wouldn't be much of a surprise if a party looking for possible explanations on the internet would find this forum and adopt such a scenario. Which, IMO, is ridiculous, but that's kinda OT.

 

[inthedark14]

I think the origin of the "planking" rumor is WS.
I've seen this mentioned (along with the even much more fatal "owling") in the very beginning of the discussion threads. And since WS is usually quite among the first search results in Google, it wouldn't be much of a surprise if a party looking for possible explanations on the internet would find this forum and adopt such a scenario. Which, IMO, is ridiculous, but that's kinda OT.

I'm not so sure about that. It was in many MSM articles, early on, which is why I'd assume it would be mentioned here, as you say, early on. Please see a few below. I'm sure others have more, prior to many of the articles being "scrubbed" or changed. Also if you google it, this website isn't what comes up in the first few hits. A certain other website does. Just sayin.


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_...ainst-speculation-on-death-of-his-girlfriend/

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_...ion-death-suicide-finding-wont-end-the-drama/

Always MOO

 

[prospektor]

I'm not so sure about that. It was in many MSM articles, early on, which is why I'd assume it would be mentioned here, as you say, early on. Please see a few below. I'm sure others have more, prior to many of the articles being "scrubbed" or changed. Also if you google it, this website isn't what comes up in the first few hits. A certain other website does. Just sayin.


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_...ainst-speculation-on-death-of-his-girlfriend/

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_...ion-death-suicide-finding-wont-end-the-drama/

Always MOO

Yeah, by September it was picked up. Over here it was discussed right back when it started, in July. I found this post
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6936572&postcount=1028"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Rebecca Nalepa[/ame]
in the very first thread, dated July 21.
I won't going to find cached Google search results from two years ago, though, especially when it heavily depends on the search terms. Everything is speculation, anyway.

 

[Carioca]

I'm not so sure about that. It was in many MSM articles, early on, which is why I'd assume it would be mentioned here, as you say, early on. Please see a few below. I'm sure others have more, prior to many of the articles being "scrubbed" or changed. Also if you google it, this website isn't what comes up in the first few hits. A certain other website does. Just sayin.


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_...ainst-speculation-on-death-of-his-girlfriend/

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_...ion-death-suicide-finding-wont-end-the-drama/

Always MOO

Thanks Inthedark - Gotta love CBS for not buckling under pressure. Heaven forbid that an inconvenient suspicious violent death should result in negative Q2 earnings report.

There were numerous articles. Here's another, just for the record:

Sept 2, 2011 - NBC12-ABC24:
"Bremner said Zahau was not alone in the mansion when Max had his accident. She said that two of the child's teenage siblings were present as well and that Zahau was in the shower at the time of the accident. [...]

Bremner said investigators told her that the child had been conducting a trick known as "planking," or lying horizontally in unusual locations, around the staircase when he fell."

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/...o-Mansion-Death-Called-Suicide-Family-Objects

 

[prospektor]

Here's another, just for the record

Also only from September. So it can't be the source.

 

[inthedark14]

Yeah, by September it was picked up. Over here it was discussed right back when it started, in July. I found this post
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Rebecca Nalepa
in the very first thread, dated July 21.
I won't going to find cached Google search results from two years ago, though, especially when it heavily depends on the search terms. Everything is speculation, anyway.

Thank you for the link to the post. Although of course it was discussed here, at that time. It was reported in MSM at that time. So lucky a very high profile PR firm came along and made all those nasty things go away, for the most part.

Perhaps one of our posters here has some of the old articles. We can keep our fingers crossed, right?

ALWAYS MOO

 

[arielilane]

I recall early on that the planking issue was first brought up not by WS, but by media articles. However, they were silenced just like Rebecca was. Thanks for the links guys.