What made investigators take John Karr so seriously?

[BBB167893]

"If what the DA's office said was true {they said it right?} then it has to be something that would not be put in an autopsy report. Rita Cosby on MSNBC said she talked to the coroner and he told her every mark was mentioned and there was nothing left out of the report. Makes one wonder what in the world it could be!"

It was an anonymous LE who said it, actually.

 

[foxbluff]

"If what the DA's office said was true {they said it right?} then it has to be something that would not be put in an autopsy report. Rita Cosby on MSNBC said she talked to the coroner and he told her every mark was mentioned and there was nothing left out of the report. Makes one wonder what in the world it could be!"

It was an anonymous LE who said it, actually.

What does JMK know abt the case that we don't? For no real good reason I think it either involves knowledge of photos of JBR that the LE found in the basement laundry rm. or it involves the tape that was removed from the body.

I suspect that the tape that had been over her mouth is the redacted item on the 12/26/96 list of items removed from the hse at same time body was.

Mention of the tape could have been redacted due to it being a different color than the general public would imagine. Maybe it was black tape and that was being kept secret in order to prove/disprove future confessions.

That redacted line was right long. Wouldn't it be an OMG moment if the tape was not only an unexpected color, but that there had been more than (1) piece used?!?!?

 

[lovebites]

Hmmmmm.....is it possible that the killer may have cut some of her hair? That wouldn't be put on an autopsy report. Maybe Karr has the pieces that were cut?

 

[LovelyPigeon]

Karr might have the missing broken piece of paintbrush, although we're aware that it exists and it's missing.

We've been able to view some of the actual autopsy photos, but not all of them. There may be something in the photos we haven't seen that Karr could identify.

Smit has said there are hairs and fibers found on JonBenét that have been kept undisclosed. Karr might be able to identify the colors and source of those.

Karr might have been able to reveal words written on the possible 'first draft' ransom note that bleed through on a page of the pad found in the kitchen.

 

[netsleuth]

I posted this article somewhere else regarding the RN:

A former Ramsey case investigator said evidence that could confirm Karr's involvement in the beauty queen's murder includes what was written on the first draft of the ransom note.

The first draft was never found but authorities determined what was written by examining marks in a notepad. The killer would know what he originally wrote, and why he changed the wording, the investigator said.

Mr Nagel's document also suggests previously published emails exchanged between Karr and a University of Colorado journalism professor, Michael Tracey, may not include the incriminating emails that led to his arrest. "[The media] even allege, with no basis for doing so, that a substantial portion of the emails between Mr Karr and Mr Tracey have been disclosed," the motion said.

Mr Nagel said that despite thousands of articles and books written about the murder, "most of the evidence in the affidavit has not been disclosed"

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/fe...6012675696.html

 

[Tricia]

Personally, I think it was all Tracey's doing.

DING DING DING....WE HAVE A WINNER

That's all it boils down to. The D.A., knowing that Tracey has out and out lied in the past in his documentarys, went with Tracey's info anyway.

This is going to destroy Mary Lacy's career.

IMO.

 

[panthera]

I think it was also Rita that said according to a source whatever it is is something the media "has not even speculated about"

It's even more unfathomable to me that there is something the media hasn't speculated about than it is that there is unleaked evidence in the case. :banghead:

I heard that also from Rita, but what could it be? This case has gotten so much coverage over the years, I'm very curious what this "evidence" could be ~ unless it's something that JMK left behind at the crime scene, or took with him?
We'll just have to wait and see.

 

[openminded1]

I heard that also from Rita, but what could it be? This case has gotten so much coverage over the years, I'm very curious what this "evidence" could be ~ unless it's something that JMK left behind at the crime scene, or took with him?
We'll just have to wait and see.

Oh, good! I wasn't hearing things! My very 1st thought was pictures. Who knows.

 

[panthera]

Hmmmmm.....is it possible that the killer may have cut some of her hair? That wouldn't be put on an autopsy report. Maybe Karr has the pieces that were cut?

That's possible since killers have been known to take something from their victim. Did Patsy ever say that she was the one who put JonBenet's hair in pigtails that night? I'd read that JBR normally didn't sleep with her hair that way. (It's hard for me to think of what this evidence connecting Karr is, since I'm not convinced yet that he was the perpetrator.)

 

[panthera]

Oh, good! I wasn't hearing things! My very 1st thought was pictures. Who knows.

At this point, I think he was only there in his mind! It's getting late ~ see you tomorrow!

 

[foxbluff]

Hmmmmm.....is it possible that the killer may have cut some of her hair? That wouldn't be put on an autopsy report. Maybe Karr has the pieces that were cut?

A lock of her hair, huh? Interesting possibility. A rather romantic momento for someone who claims to LOVE her, right?!?!

 

[foxbluff]

Karr might have the missing broken piece of paintbrush, although we're aware that it exists and it's missing.

We've been able to view some of the actual autopsy photos, but not all of them. There may be something in the photos we haven't seen that Karr could identify.

Smit has said there are hairs and fibers found on JonBenét that have been kept undisclosed. Karr might be able to identify the colors and source of those.

Karr might have been able to reveal words written on the possible 'first draft' ransom note that bleed through on a page of the pad found in the kitchen.

You've suggested several good possibilities here! Would you believe that I've forgotten all abt that missing end of the paintbrush?!?! Like you say, we know abt it, but we also know it wasn't found at the house but can be sure that the LE turned that house upside down looking for it. If he's got that, I'll need to google recipes for crow!!!!

 

[foxbluff]

I posted this article somewhere else regarding the RN:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/fe...6012675696.html

LovelyPigeon suggested the ransom note, too. You're right, it would be MAJOR if JMK can tell what was written on the first draft or if he actually has the page that pressed/bled through onto a page attached to the pad!

 

[openminded1]

At this point, I think he was only there in his mind! It's getting late ~ see you tomorrow!

I agree, somebody is going to have to show me the money before I will believe this crazy character is the guy. Fun to speculate, though.

 

[scandi]

Lovely,

Craig Silverman said a hard paper package was mailed to the professor which must have held something that dramaticly peaked Mary's interest in Karr, resulting in him being arrested. Mary was given the package.

What could it have been in that package that would have required it to be mailed in a hard envelope package?

It had to be a bit bulky, or didn't lay flat. Could it have been the broken end of the paintbrush or the paw with the heart that had been removed from ther bear?

In the police photo the heart on the paw was whited out. And then it was said the paw with the heart disappeared. Could the perp gone back into remove the paw at a later date?

Scandi

 

[openminded1]

Lovely,

Craig Silverman said a hard paper package was mailed to the professor which must have held something that dramaticly peaked Mary's interest in Karr, resulting in him being arrested. Mary was given the package.

What could it have been in that package that would have required it to be mailed in a hard envelope package?

It had to be a bit bulky, or didn't lay flat. Could it have been the broken end of the paintbrush or the paw with the heart that had been removed from ther bear?

In the police photo the heart on the paw was whited out. And then it was said the paw with the heart disappeared. Could the perp gone back into remove the paw at a later date?

Scandi

This is the 1st I have heard of a package. Interesteing. This just gets curiouser and curiouser.

 

[shoe_horn]

Craig Silverman said a hard paper package was mailed to the professor

I'm sorry, but Silverman reminds me of a momma's boy.

He also reminds me of Barney Fife from Mayberry RFD...clueless, to say the least. How in the world did that guy get into the DA's office?

He changes his story every time he has gas.

 

[lily]

the biggest mystery is where was he at christmas time? Is it possible he told his wife he was going to visit his dad, and told his dad he was going to stay with his wife? Cause i really can't image how anyone with a family could miss Christmas and not be noticed.

 

[Amity]

Sandi said: Craig Silverman said a hard paper package was mailed to the professor which must have held something that dramaticly peaked Mary's interest in Karr, resulting in him being arrested. Mary was given the package.

Interesting. Especially since JK's attorney wants any DNA testing stopped/suppressed.
Would JK be stupid enough to have licked the gummy flap of that hard paper package...which we could assume is a large manilla envelope....and weeks ago his DNA was taken from his saliva on the gummy part of the envelope?
Maybe behind closed doors Mary has matched the DNA from the envelope to the DNA in JBR's undies.
Ok..... I'm reaching.

 

[AB1]

I posted this article somewhere else regarding the RN:

"A former Ramsey case investigator said evidence that could confirm Karr's involvement in the beauty queen's murder includes what was written on the first draft of the ransom note.

The first draft was never found but authorities determined what was written by examining marks in a notepad. The killer would know what he originally wrote, and why he changed the wording, the investigator said.

Mr Nagel's document also suggests previously published emails exchanged between Karr and a University of Colorado journalism professor, Michael Tracey, may not include the incriminating emails that led to his arrest. "[The media] even allege, with no basis for doing so, that a substantial portion of the emails between Mr Karr and Mr Tracey have been disclosed," the motion said.

Mr Nagel said that despite thousands of articles and books written about the murder, "most of the evidence in the affidavit has not been disclosed"

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/fe...6012675696.html

Not wishing to re-visit the debacle of Karr, but one element still concerns me.

Was ML so committed to her free the Ramsey Three cause that she would (ab)use international law against a fantasist as a diversionary tactic? If not, there had to be at least one compelling reason to act.

If Karr came up with a detail beyond a reasonable guess, something that has not been revealed to the public, then where did he learn of the detail?
The logical trail is it had to be implied by Tracey > fed by Ramsey investigators > Ramsey legal advisors > the Ramseys.

So either the police in making disclosure to the Ramseys and their team - April 97? - effectively gave away their entire evidential case (and I believe it was too early on for that)
or the Ramseys knew something of which the police could assume only the killer would be aware.

All roads lead to Ram in this case.