What makes you think Terri Horman is innocent?

[rosiebean]

Yeah me too. It seemed to me like the hunt for Kyron changed from mostly a SAR operation to a definitively criminal investigation very abruptly. I think LE uncovered something they think significantly called her story into question (cell pings?), which shifted the focus directly on Terri.

Like others have talked about I think it's important to proceed from an assumption of total innocence toward guilt. What we know about the investigation makes me take the possibility of her guilt seriously but my mind is open.

Exactly. Given what we know, I don't think it's unfair to think that she might be involved. And likewise, given what we know, I cannot without doubt believe that she's totally innocent. If conclusive proof of her guilt is unveiled, I will not be shocked. But if I were on a jury, no way would I convict her based on what's publicly known about the case.

 

[gibby207]

Exactly. Given what we know, I don't think it's unfair to think that she might be involved. And likewise, given what we know, I cannot without doubt believe that she's totally innocent. If conclusive proof of her guilt is unveiled, I will not be shocked. But if I were on a jury, no way would I convict her based on what's publicly known about the case.

As no one should... no one should publically convict her. I would hope, although I see it's hard to make possible, that all avenues on sleuthing are open on forums such as these. No one should vilify x or y until they know the absolutes. No one on WS knows the absolutes. It's about hypotheses. It's intriguing to me how people "pick sides" on any given case. There's a book or thesis or documentary on that, I'm thinking........

 

[Beyond Belief]

One missing little boy from a school with no security system is certainly going to boost sales for security systems, cameras etc. I wonder whose company is going to profit from this case.

 

[jadejazzkayla]

thank you, cypress, for starting this thread.

I have no idea of anyone's guilt or innocence.

someone took kyron and i hope that someone pays.

i think it was a sex offender. a crime of opportunity.

june 18th, LE told us terri is not a suspect. that's the last thing they have said about her. Yet I believe LE may be trying to orchestrate a case pointing to terri via the media and statements they ask the bio parents to make. Such as Bio mom asking terri to co-operate, trying to infer to the public that she is not being co-operative. I'm very uneasy about this.

at this point I'm afraid the kidnapper will get away with it. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[cluciano63]

Not "convicting" her (Terri) publicly is all well and good but I know for a fact that many people have never given CA the benefit of the doubt for even a moment. I'm not defending her (and I'm not her ) but I have always been disturbed by the fact that she has been labeled a "baby killer" in various mediums for a very long time now, when the trial is still a year away. She is nearly always lumped together with Susan Smith, Andres Yates, and others who have benn convicted and/or confessed to murdering their children.

I know we are all pretty careful here but some of the other sites are really horrendous about not only accusing but convicting people on the internet. One of the FB sites set up for Kyron has several people implicating a possible accomplice, or at the very least, a possible lover, by name, and I find it so appalling and upsetting I want to find a way to let this person know that his name is being used in connection with this case.

Sorry for the tangent...I think it is OK to have formed an opinion on Terri based on all we've learned and I doubt that any such opinions is set in stone.

 

[cypress]

It's late and I'm tired, but I'm going to post one more theory/reason why I believe Terri may not be guilty:

If Terri took and failed a polygraph, why would LE need her to take another? Do they need the indicator to show a higher degree of deception? I've always wondered if in her first polygraph she either passed or showed inconclusive, much to the surprise of LE. Now, there are reports that Terri showed deception on one question on her first polygraph, which is odd to me. If she abducted and murdered Kyron or orchestrated this whole event, how does she only show deception on ONE question?

Link to claim in article:

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/landscaper_wore_wire_asked_ter.html

There was likely a string of questions related to Kyron's disappearance, and so it seems odd to me that if she harmed him, she would only show deception on one question. I'm thinking they asked if she took him to school, if she left without him, if she knows where he is, if she knows if he is deceased, if she was on Suavie Island that day, etc. Anyway, is it possible that LE lied to TH, KH, DY, and TY about the results of TH's polygraph based on the cell phone ping information as a way to put pressure on her in the hopes of eliciting a confession?

If the claim is true, does anyone else find the claim of her showing deception on only one question, odd?

If the entire assumption of Terri's guilt hinges on cell phone ping information or inconsistencies, I'm going to be very uncomfortable with the handling of this case.

 

[GrainneDhu]

The first day Kyron was missing, I said "stepmother." I dunno why I said that... maybe it's the last couple of years I've spent on WS but it was more of a gut feeling I think. Nothing is certain, of course... and I'm not a big vilifier. I DO see where the dominos are lining up. And I appreciate the science of it all: Look at the person who last saw the victim and branch out. It's not always cut and dry like that, but usually is. There are no absolutes in crime, there are no absolutes in abduction/kidnapping, and there are no absolutes in murder. I would say, based on a layman's opinion such as I, it's not looking good for Terri at this moment.

BBM

Looking at the innermost circle and moving out is a logical way of organising an investigation. It is a method that has many merits.

But it also has a flaw, a big one: what do you do if someone in that innermost circle cannot be cleared? Well, you start concentrating more effort on that one person.

The reason this is a flaw is because someone can be factually innocent of any wrongdoing at all and still be unable to be cleared.

How many people posting here could be convincingly alibi'd 24/7? I would guess that it would be a tiny minority and I wouldn't be surprised if the answer were zero.

For example, even if you have a life partner that you sleep with every night, they cannot testify as to what happened when they were asleep. They can vouch that they did not wake up but that is about it. Even if they are light sleepers, there is always the possibility that they just didn't wake up, they were slipped a sleep aid, etc.

 

[gibby207]

Not "convicting" her (Terri) publicly is all well and good but I know for a fact that many people have never given CA the benefit of the doubt for even a moment. I'm not defending her (and I'm not her ) but I have always been disturbed by the fact that she has been labeled a "baby killer" in various mediums for a very long time now, when the trial is still a year away. She is nearly always lumped together with Susan Smith, Andres Yates, and others who have benn convicted and/or confessed to murdering their children.

I know we are all pretty careful here but some of the other sites are really horrendous about not only accusing but convicting people on the internet. One of the FB sites set up for Kyron has several people implicating a possible accomplice, or at the very least, a possible lover, by name, and I find it so appalling and upsetting I want to find a way to let this person know that his name is being used in connection with this case.

Sorry for the tangent...I think it is OK to have formed an opinion on Terri based on all we've learned and I doubt that any such opinions is set in stone.

See, that's why yer one of my faves!! I really don't read other sites, other comments, or anything. I have, a few times, and yes, it's bad. It's bad when you go on TMZ and read about what people say about Miss Lohan!! (Despite my own opinions on her... lol) I am a member of the Kyron FB site, but I don't read comments... I only jump on the news of which it brings. I used to read comments on things but figured out a while back that the Internet brings a lot of anonymity and things people would say if they were not, in fact, in front of you. I just ignore them now, as WS has made me purdy much a fact stickler. YOU help me remember that there are others out there reading and establishing an opinion not of WS standards, LE standards, or even fairly. YOU remind ME of what the public is saying. That's why yer one of my faves. You do some dirty work I'm not willing or able to do!! In order for me to remain objective, I gotta stay outta the dirt. I'm easily swayed by emotions (it's just how I am) and on WS... not a good thing!! Which is why you are one of my faves, cluci!! You help me see alternatives, in a nice way, with a bite of "I hate murdering child killers".... lol You have appropriate sarcasm!

 

[shorty42404]

I don't hold an opinion about TH being innocent or guilty. I have leaned this way and that on the matter though but no conclusion. There are very little facts and a lot of speculation. I'm sleuthing just like all of you and coming up with theories or trying to "figure it all out" but there needs to be more factual evidence in order for me to be convinced either way.

Personally, people have assumed a lot of things about me before based on the outward appearance of things in my life but the things they assumed were completely false. And it felt horrible to be accused of things that I know I didn't do or have my character be attacked. If anything I can say this whole family has issues, that is pretty evident. The negative information that is coming out about TH definitely doesn't look good for her but again, it doesn't make her guilty in my book.

And one more thing, my hope is that she is innocent. Because I can't stand to see another story about a mother/family member/adult harming a little one, it's too much. I'm a mama and it just makes me ill and breaks my heart.

Blessings :heart:

 

[sorrell skye]

It's late and I'm tired, but I'm going to post one more theory/reason why I believe Terri may not be guilty:

If Terri took and failed a polygraph, why would LE need her to take another? Do they need the indicator to show a higher degree of deception? I've always wondered if in her first polygraph she either passed or showed inconclusive, much to the surprise of LE. Now, there are reports that Terri showed deception on one question on her first polygraph, which is odd to me. If she abducted and murdered Kyron or orchestrated this whole event, how does she only show deception on ONE question?

Link to claim in article:

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/landscaper_wore_wire_asked_ter.html

There was likely a string of questions related to Kyron's disappearance, and so it seems odd to me that if she harmed him, she would only show deception on one question. I'm thinking they asked if she took him to school, if she left without him, if she knows where he is, if she knows if he is deceased, if she was on Suavie Island that day, etc. Anyway, is it possible that LE lied to TH, KH, DY, and TY about the results of TH's polygraph based on the cell phone ping information as a way to put pressure on her in the hopes of eliciting a confession?

If the claim is true, does anyone else find the claim of her showing deception on only one question, odd?

If the entire assumption of Terri's guilt hinges on cell phone ping information or inconsistencies, I'm going to be very uncomfortable with the handling of this case.

From the same link:

Terri Horman has taken two polygraph tests, after authorities said a key answer on the first exam found her deceptive.


I wonder if her response on the "key answer" during the 2nd poly was found to be deceptive, as well, or if her answer was found to be truthful, or was found to be inconclusive. Interesting how that bit of info was omitted.

I'm curious what the key question was.

And yes, I also find it odd that she was found to be deceptive on only one question. That doesn't establish a pattern of deceit as far as the poly goes.

Not that poly results are considered evidence, but then that dead horse has already been beaten to a leathery pulp.

 

[gibby207]

BBM

Looking at the innermost circle and moving out is a logical way of organising an investigation. It is a method that has many merits.

But it also has a flaw, a big one: what do you do if someone in that innermost circle cannot be cleared? Well, you start concentrating more effort on that one person.

The reason this is a flaw is because someone can be factually innocent of any wrongdoing at all and still be unable to be cleared.

How many people posting here could be convincingly alibi'd 24/7? I would guess that it would be a tiny minority and I wouldn't be surprised if the answer were zero.

For example, even if you have a life partner that you sleep with every night, they cannot testify as to what happened when they were asleep. They can vouch that they did not wake up but that is about it. Even if they are light sleepers, there is always the possibility that they just didn't wake up, they were slipped a sleep aid, etc.

You are soooooo right!!! But as much as you and I can question it, it's how LE rolls! I fear the day I'd be asked such questions and could hold alibis and standards needed to clear me. I hope such a day never happens!!! I don't hate defense attorneys for that reason! (And, I have relatives who are defense attorneys... lol) My husband? Whom I've know for 18 years, married for 15, RARELY knows the ins and outs of what's going on around here! It's no fault of his, just his makeup and how our family is. I fear that, actually... I would even have a problem identifying our daughters' sleeping clothes on a given night, as each day it changes, but yet each day is the same. They all blend at a point when you are day-to-day. They change clothes so often (girls) it's hard to keep track!

It's how it is, though, unfortunate as it may be....I'm with Marc Klaas: The sooner they can get you off suspicions of YOU, the better. It seems to me the suspicions never left Terri. Now, it may be uncalled for... I have no ace in this hole. But it is what it is. And... I'm for finding Kyron. That's point blank it.

All in all, I agree what you say!

 

[butterfly1978]

I just wanted to comment on the title of the thread as some feel it is important.
The title of the thread is What makes you think Terri is innocent? It is a question seeing as how it is not specific of Kyrons disappearance, it can also be What makes you think she is innocent of the MFH plot, or whatever the case maybe. It is a generic question and those who are upset about the title need to chill. It is all over the news, in all the papers even in people Magazine that the implication is there that Terri is guilty of something, the OP simply asks why you think she is innocent. In other words it is the other side of whats being posted EVERYWHERE!
So lets not find little things to argue about, this is a good thread, it helps balance things out. bickering is what gets threads closed, and it irritates people hen threads are closed when they have invested thier time and thoughts into them.... So as I tell my kids PLEASE PICK YOUR BATTLES!

Kay, I will step off my soap box now.
Back to your regular scheduled programing.

 

[BlOnDe_GuRrL]

I think people put too much into the failed polygraph.

There's a good reason why they're not admissible in court.. and that is because they're unreliable. Any little thing can trigger a false deceptive signal.... or if the person taking the test has convinced themselves that the lie is indeed true... or they're just THAT good, well then they're not going to show deception.

 

[butterfly1978]

I cant say for sure that she is guilty of anything including the MFH plot, but something with her is not right and I cant put my finger on it, she very well could be 1000 percent innocent of all involvement in anything criminal, but if she were it seems that she would be cleared by now, or at least not have this cloud of suspision hanging over her.

 

[Donjeta]

I guess I sorta wish for Terri to be guilty because LE and the rest of her family have clearly singled her out as suspicious IMO and if she knows nothing about what happened it would be a great injustice. Either LE would be handling it badly or someone had done a very good job of trying to implicate her for something she didn't do. I don't want that to happen.

I guess knowing for certain that she lied about her whereabouts the day Kyron disappeared (cell pings, surveillanve cameras, sightings etc.) would be the case clincher for me. There just is no excuse lying when a child's life may be at stake.

A lot of the other stuff might be just background noise to distract. I don't care about Facebook (haven't even seen it). I don't care about gym. You can post on the internet and work out without being guilty of anything. I don't put much stock on the reliability of polygraphs and without knowing the questions knowing the result is non-information anyway. Without knowing the nature of their relationship it is impossible to know if the landscaper could possibly have ulterior motives for lying, such as revenge, covering for himself, being paid to. If there were problems in the marriage Kaine might have seen his chance of getting a RO and eliminating her out of his life and making her look like the villain in the process even if he wasn't convinced that she was trying to get him killed. I saw some red flags in her body language in the presser but it does not mean that she is guilty of anything in my mind; a lot of strangeness may be caused if you're trying to play happy families who just happen to have a child missing and the reality is that everybody on that stage has been at odds with each other for years.

I don't care about the family photos, they could go either way and it's not proof of anything to me. Happy family or not, most people take photos of the good moments and not the bad ones that show their family at their worst, and if they have a family member missing they don't let the the bad photos be published. Photos may be posed and arranged for a certain effect too and many that we have seen have a posed quality, IMO.

The blended family article didn't sit well with me because Desiree denied some of the information given there and, well, if you're caught lying once you'll always be suspected. Granted, the article didn't cite Terri and Kaine as a source, just their relatives and connections, but it seems like Terri and Kaine were the ones who benefited in the wrong information being published and might have been the original source somewhere down the line (just my speculation though). It just makes me wonder that if people are going to great lengths to portray the family as the perfect happy combination and a detail of it is not true, is the rest of it true either?

 

[froginTtown]

In the begining, I was on the fence.... Then LE passed out those fliers, I thought, wow, they must have something really incriminating on her to publicly ask for info. Then came the 911 calls, Kaine leaving, divorce and RO put against her. But, what really did it was when they took the baby and did not even give Terri any supervised visitation.. I sat up for nights, thinking she was definatly guilty and waiting for an arrest.. I was even watching the scanner thread..

Then came the botched MFH sting...thats when I started realizing something is going wrong here....

They took her cell phone and computer..
Checked the truck twice..
Passed out fliers..
Gave her 2 polygraphs..
Took all visitation of the baby away..
Countless questioning..
Intended to arrest her the day of the MFH sting..
and surely under 24 hour survielance..

With all this..they still don't have enough evidence to arrest her...???
Something is wrong here...!! I hope that LE has not tunnel visioned on just Terri..
MOO.... JMO Oh,, and I'm back on my fence too...

 

[seekingjustice**]

This really has to be the oddest case I've ever followed.

I'm finding it difficult to make any sort of solid determination atm, without more facts.

Usually I find I have some sort of idea or theory that just seems to evolve or dissolve as the evidence comes in. But with this case, well it's just so different. It's all over the place. First I thought it was 'opportunist sex offender', then I moved onto maybe 'angry step brother', then it was 'maybe the neighbor', then ... oh lord, so who knows, but sadly, I will not be at all suprised to find out that 'Terri' played a huge role in whatever has happened to our 'little boy'!

 

[Trident]

This really has to be the oddest case I've ever followed.

Respectfully snipped

This is an odd case, although convoluted is the word I would use. Right from the start, the silence of ALL the parents, step and otherwise, was deafening, and the "no comment" from LE made it play like a grade B spy movie. Since then things haven't improved much.

At the first PC with the parents, the stepmother got my kinky meter vibrating big time. There was just something off about her. However, as time went on and we got to hear from some of the other players, the kinky needle began turning in weird circles. Then, LE circulates the questionaire with the white truck and Terri's picture. It was like they handed out do-it-yourself dart boards with Terri's picture as the bulls eye. The way that questionaire was done seems aimed at making Terri look guilty.

Enter the landscaper - how many months later? Now add the well-thought out sting, landscaper with a wire and/or undercover cop trying to trap Terri into admitting she'd solisited murder for hire. That amateurish ploy didn't raise my opinion of the powers that be in any way. Hell, if I were Terri, I'd not only have cut it short, I'd have called 911 to get the whole mess hauled out of my yard.

I don't know who's guilty, and I don't know who's innocent, but I do know there seems to be a lot more, possibly explosive, background information on everyone that we aren't privy to. Right now, only Terri is being stuck out there like a big old bird for the public to shoot arrows at, and when I see LE doing that, I get suspicious, very suspicious. I don't like being fed bread crumbs, or dots, I want facts, and I want ALL the facts, not just the ones that may fit someone's pet theory.

My opinion only

 

[Meagain]

Why is it assumed just because LE didn't name her a POI or arrest her yet - that they either don't have enough evidence, or they don't suspect/plan to arrest her.
It's often a clear perp is not arrested for a period of time. It means nothing. You know they are watching her.

 

[Emeralgem]

What makes ME think Terri Horman is innocent?

Thus far.. Nothing..JMO