What makes you think Terri Horman is innocent?

[DairyGirl]

Why is it assumed just because LE didn't name her a POI or arrest her yet - that they either don't have enough evidence, or they don't suspect/plan to arrest her.
It's often a clear perp is not arrested for a period of time. It means nothing. You know they are watching her.

I saw a news report yesterday that said they were monitoring her every move,every cell phone call, every landline call, both incoming and outgoing. They probably have her house bugged and her car tracked. I don't know what they expect to find. I am sure she is aware of it all and keeping very quiet.

 

[Trident]

I saw a news report yesterday that said they were monitoring her every move,every cell phone call, every landline call, both incoming and outgoing. They probably have her house bugged and her car tracked. I don't know what they expect to find. I am sure she is aware of it all and keeping very quiet.

This is your tax dollars at work, and we had all better hope we never find ourselves in a similar situation.

Like I said before, I don't know if TH is innocent, or guilty, but I do think it would behoove LE to cast their net a little bit wider - who knows, they may catch a perp they never suspected before.

My opinion only

 

[GrainneDhu]

You are soooooo right!!! But as much as you and I can question it, it's how LE rolls! I fear the day I'd be asked such questions and could hold alibis and standards needed to clear me. I hope such a day never happens!!! I don't hate defense attorneys for that reason! (And, I have relatives who are defense attorneys... lol) My husband? Whom I've know for 18 years, married for 15, RARELY knows the ins and outs of what's going on around here! It's no fault of his, just his makeup and how our family is. I fear that, actually... I would even have a problem identifying our daughters' sleeping clothes on a given night, as each day it changes, but yet each day is the same. They all blend at a point when you are day-to-day. They change clothes so often (girls) it's hard to keep track!

BBM

I totally agree!

I bolded your comment about how the day to day blends in because I think it is completely normal and true, but it is something that can be used to make someone look really, really bad.

Say a kid disappears and the parents are vauge or even disagree as to what the kid was wearing last. I have no doubt that LE and the general public would jump all over such a discrepancy as highly suspicious.

And yet, you're right. The older they get, the more kids change clothes and what with each day being much the same as the next, it can be difficult to remember accurately exactly what they wore last.

There would be a completely innocent explanation but it could look really suspicious.

It's how it is, though, unfortunate as it may be....I'm with Marc Klaas: The sooner they can get you off suspicions of YOU, the better. It seems to me the suspicions never left Terri. Now, it may be uncalled for... I have no ace in this hole. But it is what it is. And... I'm for finding Kyron. That's point blank it.

All in all, I agree what you say!

As I recall, Mark Klaas had a pretty good alibi for the night Polly was grabbed, he didn't match the description her two friends gave and he took one polygraph, which he passed. So he is speaking from the vantage point of someone who went into the investigation looking pretty good and was ruled out very quickly.

I have to wonder, what would have happened had Mark Klaas not had a good alibi, had he somewhat resembled Richard Davis and had his polygraph test results been found inconclusive or even guilty. Any of those things could have happened and he still been completely innocent.

What if the investigation had focused on him for a couple months or longer? Would he then feel that unlimited cooperation was the best policy?

Or might he feel, like the 255 factually innocent convicts exonerated by Project Innocence, that unlimited cooperation with LE could be both personally harmful and not helpful in finding the actual perpetrator?

I am not putting Marc Klaas down. I'm just trying to point out that one's personal experiences may tint the advice one gives to others.

 

[froginTtown]

I'm not counting her innocent... In fact, I'm not counting anyone in the whole world innocent... but IRCC, witch trials have been over for years now... Are they making a come back.??? Seems so... There is a female talking head who comes on at 8:00 and 10:00 pm.. that I almost can't even watch anymore because of this reason... She through Crystal Sheffield under the bus, but yet claims last week, that the only way she can get her child to eat is to feed her in the bathtub..??? :shocked2: I was shocked she said that.... If any other parent would have said that..she would have ranted....

 

[ella971]

How wonderful it would be to prove my gut wrong. I hope she is innocent and we can find him alive and safe.

 

[rosiebean]

It's late and I'm tired, but I'm going to post one more theory/reason why I believe Terri may not be guilty:

If Terri took and failed a polygraph, why would LE need her to take another? Do they need the indicator to show a higher degree of deception? I've always wondered if in her first polygraph she either passed or showed inconclusive, much to the surprise of LE. Now, there are reports that Terri showed deception on one question on her first polygraph, which is odd to me. If she abducted and murdered Kyron or orchestrated this whole event, how does she only show deception on ONE question?

Link to claim in article:

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/landscaper_wore_wire_asked_ter.html

There was likely a string of questions related to Kyron's disappearance, and so it seems odd to me that if she harmed him, she would only show deception on one question. I'm thinking they asked if she took him to school, if she left without him, if she knows where he is, if she knows if he is deceased, if she was on Suavie Island that day, etc. Anyway, is it possible that LE lied to TH, KH, DY, and TY about the results of TH's polygraph based on the cell phone ping information as a way to put pressure on her in the hopes of eliciting a confession?

If the claim is true, does anyone else find the claim of her showing deception on only one question, odd?

If the entire assumption of Terri's guilt hinges on cell phone ping information or inconsistencies, I'm going to be very uncomfortable with the handling of this case.

The article doesn't say she showed deception on only one question:

Terri Horman has taken two polygraph tests, after authorities said a key answer on the first exam found her deceptive.

Saying that she was deceptive on a key answer (say, do you know where Kyron is) does not preclude that she was deceptive on other answers, say, those verifying her alibi (did you stop by Target to pick up diapers).

Also, it is not unusual for a perp in a domestic situation to fail on only one key question. Susan Smith, for example, did well on her poly until asked if she knew where her children were, and that answer indicated deception.

Now, if the only thing LE has is a failed poly, then I'd be very critical of their investigation. I'm guessing that they have a lot more...IMO, they probably have witnesses who place TH with Kyron leaving the school (walking to the door leading outside), witnesses who place TH with Kyron outside of the school, several witnesses who heard TH say that Kyron had a doctor's appointment (yet no appointment was made at a doctor's office), a story that changed after being presented with new facts garnered after interviewing witnesses (I left him as he was walking to his class, no wait, I walked him to the door leading outside and then said goodbye and watched him walk up the stairs, no wait, we went out to the truck to get something he'd forgotten, and then I walked him back to just outside of his class), evidence that TH was not where she said she was later that morning, etc.

I don't think a lack of arrest at this point is evidence of a poor investigation or evidence that LE has no real evidence. LE usually prefers to have the best case possible before making an arrest, and that usually means either a confession (LE knew Susan Smith's story was factually wrong regarding the red light she claimed to have stopped at, but didn't arrest her until she confessed), or a body (LE was certain that Scott Peterson had harmed Laci, but didn't arrest him for months, not until they had conclusive proof she'd been killed). I do not have access to the evidence they have, I only have what's in the public domain (which is very little at this point) and other investigations to use as a reference...and this case is looking very much like a circumstantial one at this point, very frustrating for us on the outside, I'm sure very frustrating for LE, and most of all, beyond frustrating for those who love and are closest to Kryon.

 

[2goldfish]

this case about irritates me to NO end. I dont have enough info to even hazard a guess at anything!

I did immediately suspect TH and still do because children do NOT fall into time space continuums at school.

but I to this day have not received any info that sways me any which way.



Polygraphs are worthless, so I'm not swayed in any way there by anyone that took/takes one.

but even if she did want to have her husband murdered, that doesnt mean she did anything to kyron.


LE says nothing, the other family says nothing, TH says nothing, I dont know anything at all.

 

[froginTtown]

I don't understand how this has all been discounted or ignored.... Especially after watching the video... He seems so sure of himself... and I could see how he may be confused about the "substitute" part... but surely, someone had said all that....I don't know why a kid of this age would lie about something like this....

......................http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/loca...te-noticed-Horman/TVY3YTREG0SyCP3tb3MkZg.cspx..................

 

[Paintr]

I have been following this case since Kyron disappeared and I am no wiser now than I was that first day. lol!

I have wandered the net reading posts and news articles. Many seem to be concentrating on Terri and only Terri. I have no idea if she is guilty or not. I am just amazed at the speed with which so many jumped to the conclusion that she is a monster.

LE in this case has released very little info. The media has based almost every article on 'unnamed sources', rumor has run rampant, and every vague tidbit has been pounced on as if it were solid fact.

I have never suspected Terri but my perp perception may be off. I am leaning towards a stranger (with vague connections to the Horman family) abduction. If LE charges Terri with harming Kyron, I will bow to their superior knowledge.

'Till then, could those on the fence please make a little room as I want to sit with you all and wait for facts.

 

[keeponsearching]

I find everything about this situation so odd...

As I have said in another post. Anytime I go to a school, early or late, during the day time, I will always see at least someone outside. You can't tell me no one saw Terri leave. At that time, I don't believe it.
If Terri did leave with Kyron she would be sitting behind bars right about now.
I don't know how cell phone pings work, so I really can't even begin to explain the pings, unless she was close by. Its not that far from the school.
I don't know if I believe the lawn man. Maybe Terri wanted to hire someone to clean up the yard and not tell her husband, I think that sounds like a good idea, and my husband would say NO. I just can't see calling a bunch of lawn guys and saying hey do you kill husbands too.
I think with the first family pc, terri did look out of place. Imagine the guilt that she has that she didn't walk Kyron to his classroom....
I don't believe in polys, so I won't even go there.

I want Kryon home. And as some have said, I would rather it be a family member, than a stranger.....

I was just thinking, if Terri said she was at the school at the same time her cell pinged on the island how is that possible? I think we should brainstorm this .

Guilty or Not, I don't know.

 

[keeponsearching]

I don't understand how this has all been discounted or ignored.... Especially after watching the video... He seems so sure of himself... and I could see how he may be confused about the "substitute" part... but surely, someone had said all that....I don't know why a kid of this age would lie about something like this....

......................http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/loca...te-noticed-Horman/TVY3YTREG0SyCP3tb3MkZg.cspx..................

Didn't they have help with the groups? Maybe a mom of a child stayed behind to watch/help with the class. Which makes me wonder did the teacher of that class leave for the day?? Or did she come back.

 

[Donjeta]

I don't understand how this has all been discounted or ignored.... Especially after watching the video... He seems so sure of himself... and I could see how he may be confused about the "substitute" part... but surely, someone had said all that....I don't know why a kid of this age would lie about something like this....

......................http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/loca...te-noticed-Horman/TVY3YTREG0SyCP3tb3MkZg.cspx..................

Why do we think his account has been discounted? The school spokesman said there were no substitute teachers but I haven't heard anyone say that there was nobody who said these things.

Something I noticed the first time watching the video: The reporter says that TP may be the last child to see Kyron that day. Did an adult see him after TP did?

 

[Paintr]

I find everything about this situation so odd...

As I have said in another post. Anytime I go to a school, early or late, during the day time, I will always see at least someone outside. You can't tell me no one saw Terri leave. At that time, I don't believe it.
If Terri did leave with Kyron she would be sitting behind bars right about now.
I don't know how cell phone pings work, so I really can't even begin to explain the pings, unless she was close by. Its not that far from the school.
I don't know if I believe the lawn man. Maybe Terri wanted to hire someone to clean up the yard and not tell her husband, I think that sounds like a good idea, and my husband would say NO. I just can't see calling a bunch of lawn guys and saying hey do you kill husbands too.
I think with the first family pc, terri did look out of place. Imagine the guilt that she has that she didn't walk Kyron to his classroom....
I don't believe in polys, so I won't even go there.

I want Kryon home. And as some have said, I would rather it be a family member, than a stranger.....

I was just thinking, if Terri said she was at the school at the same time her cell pinged on the island how is that possible? I think we should brainstorm this .

Guilty or Not, I don't know.

I am with you on the 'I don't know' part. There is just so much rumor and emotion in this case and not enough facts,

I can't understand why so many jumped on the flyers as proof of Terri's guilt. Shouldn't LE try to discover what happened at school that morning? They had to verify Terri's version of events that morning as she was the last person who stated then that she saw Kyron.

We have no idea what answers LE were given to their questions. A dozen people may have stated they saw Terri leave alone and Kyron was still at school. At least as many may have said that Terri dragged Kyron out to the truck, kicking and screaming. The people who have answered LE's flyer are not talking and neither is LE. We don't know.


LE may have cleared Terri or may have every reason to think she is guilty, so I am back where I started...on that dang fence.

 

[Mylou]

I believe in innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent.
I have seen nothing yet to make me believe she is anything other then innocent.
She has not even been charged with any crime.

I've never been one to just go with the flow according to how the media protrays anything or what public opinion is. Im too hard headed that way. I beleive in thinking for myself and coming to my own conclusions, not fitting in with the crowd.

I admire the fact that she pled guilty to a dui, not many do.

 

[Aedrys]

How wonderful it would be to prove my gut wrong. I hope she is innocent and we can find him alive and safe.

This is exactly my problem, and I admit I've gotten heated because of it. I don't mean to offend anyone, but my gut keeps telling me she's guilty. Unfortunately, my gut won't hold up in a court of law. There has to be solid evidence that she did this to get a conviction.

I guess I am a cynic, and have watched way too many cases where if they are looking at someone, it usually turns out to be that person in the end. I also know there are cases where people are wrongly accused, and I do not want that happening here either. I will feel terrible if I turns out I am wrong about Terri. I don't want the wrong person in jail for kidnapping/murdering Kyron. Heck, we don't even know if he's dead or alive for sure much less who may have him or murdered him. *sigh*

I've also seen cases where the dad is very quickly accused, and a lot of the time the police are wrong and the dad is tainted for life. The only things we've heard about Kaine have come from Terri's friends and Terri's family. Maybe a little from DY about him cooperating, but that's it. We may have only speculation, possibly leaked LE info, Kaine taking the baby and divorcing and RO'ing Terri, gut reaction, and innuendo about TH, but IMO, we have a lot more about Terri than anyone else. In fact, all we have is info on Terri and no matter how you look at, true or not, guilty or not, it does not make her look good.

I will admit, though, that what we have on Terri is not enough. I hope that LE does make a decision that week and we finally get some answers as to whether she is guilty or not once and for all. I know, wishful thinking!

I will also take a step back here and try to be more patient. My gut sometimes makes me so impatient! It's so hard in such a bizarre case to just sit and wait, you know?

 

[butterfly1978]

You have to remember that just because they have not named Terri a POI or suspect doesn't mean a whole lot, and just because they havent arrested her doesn't mean they are clueless. Look at Drew Peterson, and Susan Powells husband. They were/are POI and or suspects and Josh has still not been arrested and Drew was only arrested about a year ago. With out a body it makes things difficult, not inpossable but difficult, it would be bad if they arrested her on a "whim" and can't prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt and then later find something that ties her directly and have to let her go due to double jeoperdy

 

[Aedrys]

You have to remember that just because they have not named Terri a POI or suspect doesn't mean a whole lot, and just because they havent arrested her doesn't mean they are clueless. Look at Drew Peterson, and Susan Powells husband. They were/are POI and or suspects and Josh has still not been arrested and Drew was only arrested about a year ago. With out a body it makes things difficult, not inpossable but difficult, it would be bad if they arrested her on a "whim" and can't prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt and then later find something that ties her directly and have to let her go due to double jeoperdy

ITA with what you said. And that last part, Butterfly, would be my nightmare. There was a case in the 80's or 90's where a man murdered a woman, but was found innocent in court because the police didn't have enough evidence. After that he moved, and the people who bought his house, when tearing up old carpet to put in new carpet, found a bag with gruesome pictures of the murder in it. I think the man was even in some of the photographs. So basically he was guilty, but got away with it because there wasn't enough evidence to convict him. It still makes me shiver after all of this time. I do NOT want the LE arresting her and then not having enough to get a conviction.

 

[froginTtown]

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[Donjeta]

As I recall, Mark Klaas had a pretty good alibi for the night Polly was grabbed, he didn't match the description her two friends gave and he took one polygraph, which he passed. So he is speaking from the vantage point of someone who went into the investigation looking pretty good and was ruled out very quickly.

I have to wonder, what would have happened had Mark Klaas not had a good alibi, had he somewhat resembled Richard Davis and had his polygraph test results been found inconclusive or even guilty. Any of those things could have happened and he still been completely innocent.

What if the investigation had focused on him for a couple months or longer? Would he then feel that unlimited cooperation was the best policy?

Or might he feel, like the 255 factually innocent convicts exonerated by Project Innocence, that unlimited cooperation with LE could be both personally harmful and not helpful in finding the actual perpetrator?

I am not putting Marc Klaas down. I'm just trying to point out that one's personal experiences may tint the advice one gives to others.

I think it's a matter of probabilities. If you've got nothing to hide it could be that you can best convince LE of that state of things if you hide nothing. It may not always work, but if it works 70% of the time it's a better bet than being uncooperative.

It's more complicated if you do have something to hide.

 

[Paintr]

ITA with what you said. And that last part, Butterfly, would be my nightmare. There was a case in the 80's or 90's where a man murdered a woman, but was found innocent in court because the police didn't have enough evidence. After that he moved, and the people who bought his house, when tearing up old carpet to put in new carpet, found a bag with gruesome pictures of the murder in it. I think the man was even in some of the photographs. So basically he was guilty, but got away with it because there wasn't enough evidence to convict him. It still makes me shiver after all of this time. I do NOT want the LE arresting her and then not having enough to get a conviction.

Aedrys. That case you described was terrible.

I hope if Terri did this she never sees the light of day again.I wish the same for whoever did this, Terri or someone else.

I have great faith in LE. I am sure they are doing great work on this case. The problem I have is the interpretations that some are putting on what LE is doing.

LE have stated that Terri is co operating and they are not naming anyone as a POI. There are those that immediately say.'Yeah, but they don't really mean that....they really mean something else'. LE sends an e mail stating this info didn't come from us but some then discount that e mail and say that 'unnamed sources' were really LE leaking info to put Terri under pressure.

I even read one opinion that stated that even if LE arrest someone else in Kyron's disappearance, they will never believe Terri is innocent? HUH? :waitasec:

In the begining, my 'gut' said that a stranger took Kyron. Who knows?