What small foreign faction?

[SunnieRN]

If I want to read RDI, I have to buy an old tabloid. I'm not quite ready to stoop that low.

Try going to Barnes and Noble, Amazon or used book stores instead.

 

[SunnieRN]

The most likely cause for three (3) DNA deposits on two (2) separate items of clothing she was wearing at the time, in areas relating to crime, where we know a criminal handled them, is direct transfer from the criminal. Since the DNA belongs to a unknown male and not a parent, the most likely and simplest explanation is the unknown male sexually assaulted JBR. I'm sure ML would arrest JR or PR if it were their DNA due to the criminal context within which the DNA was discovered.

BPD attempted and failed on many fronts to link PR or JR to the crime, the GJ failed to indict, and three DA's have taken no action. BPD tried DNA, handwriting, , and separate questioning. RDI has excuse after excuse on how nothing panned out, including but not limited to actual corruption of officials and professional incompetence.

Regardless of corruption or incompetence, if your suspect isn't a definite handwriting or DNA match, then you probably dont have a very good suspect. Somebody is definitely a DNA match. Somebody besides PR or JR is definitely a handwriting match (according to UC professor on linguistics and US Secret Service who both outrank us).

I disagree that RDI is the simplest or most likely. Perhaps that was the case 12 years ago but not today. The DNA labwork would have to be disregarded and that isn't rational or appropriate. The contemporary view is that IDI is the most likely. A view shared in the news, BTW.

IIf there was touch DNA on two pieces of clothing, why wasn't there any on the paint brush, cord, bowl of pineapple, Jon Benets bed, kitchen counter, ransom note, window or window seal?

 

[UKGuy]

IIf there was touch DNA on two pieces of clothing, why wasn't there any on the paint brush, cord, bowl of pineapple, Jon Benets bed, kitchen counter, ransom note, window or window seal?

SunnieRN,
Good point.

IDI protagonists are not intellectually aware that such questions are relevant. Only the questions that sidetrack the naive.



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[Tadpole12]

I think the rn author used twice the whitespace compared to PR's exemplars. Part of the diabolical plan to mislead police, I guess?

heyya hotyh.

That would be efficient, to first prepare the rn as a typed document, adjusting and mimicking the spacing, to disguise the natural patterns within one's own repertoire.

devious? and diabolical.

Every 'F' in the letter looks f'ed up to me! Here's a question though: how does the sff writer know to leave an extra space after most commas? It's very obvious in the "stray dog" section. Man, they're good!

Hiya GingBreade,

I shall reexamine the stray dog section. Ty.

Spacing and paragraph indentation were important to the rn writer.

rn p1,

27 lines: Mr. Ramsey,
space
26 lines
http://www.trialrun.com/pop-ups/ramsey_note-1.html

rn p2, 27 lines
http://www.trialrun.com/pop-ups/ramsey_note-2.html

rn p3, 12 lines plus 'Victory! S.B.T.C'
http://www.trialrun.com/pop-ups/ramsey_note-3.html

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

I've posted a 'Korean connection theory' in the Member's Theories thread. It is based on the ransom note. Amongst other things I want to draw attention to several dots that need to be joined in this note: (1) the foreign faction, (2) beheading, (3) stray dog, (4) fat cat. Also the spelling of bussiness. See my post in the theories thread.

This is an elaborate and admittedly conspiratorial theory based on taking the ransom note at face value and trying to join together as many dots as possible. It is an attempt to think "outside the box" and offer an entirely new possibility...

Our story starts in South Korea. Throughout the 1980s and 1990s the Korean economy is in a process of tumultuous change driven by corporate America. In corporate-speak the upheaval is dismissed as “Skills-Based Technological Change’. By 1996 it has created a violent backlash among Korean nationalists and radical (and militaristic) unionists. A general strike is called for December 26th 1996 – the biggest strike in Korean history.

A particularly odious element in the Korean upheaval is American corporate sponsorship of corruption. Specifically, Lockheed Martin are accused of securing Korean military contracts through bribery and a system of sexual favors, including procuring the sexual use of minors for corrupt Korean officials. Lockheed are taken to court over suspect contracts for aeronautic photography and imagining contracts in late 1996.

Korea - a land where beheading is the traditional mode of execution and where, notoriously, the meat of stray dogs is considered an aphrodisiac – is rife with such corporate corruption involving an illicit sex trade. It is an element in the Korean rage culminating in the strike. To the anti-US union movement the Lockheed case is emblematic of the way “Skills-Based Technological Change” is poisoning Korean society.

The Ramsey murder, then, is part of this Korean scenario. Ramsey becomes a target for retribution because he sells Access Graphics to Lockheed, thus being linked to the aeronautic imaging technology contracts in dispute in Korea. Why Ramsey in Boulder Colorado? Because his recent sale of AG made him a target. And he becomes a conspicuous target when he wins the Entrepreneur of the Year on the basis of that sale.

The ransom note gives us the clues. He is a despised “fat cat” who has been targeted by someone employed by a “foreign faction”. The date of the murder was chosen to coincide with the uprising in Korea. The so-called staging that accompanied the murder was deliberate sexualizing of the body to draw attention to the type of sexual corruption being sponsored by Lockheed to win contracts from south Korean officials. The term “beheading” signals Koreans. The term “stray dog” signals Koreans. The letters “SBTC” with the word “Victory” is revolutionary in intent. The peculiarities of the handwriting are from the author having Korean as their first language. (And the word “bussiness” is a typical misspelling among Koreans. Google the Korean English language Yellow Pages – you’ll find the “Bussiness Section!)

The perp (who left unidentified male DNA) is a local agent of the disaffected Korean interests. Moreover, the perp leaves another message - just to make it clear to those in Lockheed who understand - by breaking off the word “Korea” in the paint brush left at the crime scene.

Plenum7

Can I take credit for bold above?

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Joining the dots...

(1) the foreign faction, (2) beheading, (3) stray dog, (4) fat cat.

I think the foreign faction might be disaffected Soviets. Thats because Dec 25-26 is the 5th anniversary of the fall of the Soviet Union. I've posted that like 10 times.

I never knew beheading was Korean, so I'll look into that. In relation to a small child is unprecedented anywhere. I checked and cant find any reference to beheading a small child.

Stray dogs. The story I heard was that starving North Koreans poured boiling water over stray dogs...

Fat cats. A derogatory term for a rich capitalist who is known for exploiting the masses for his own personal gain. In the 1990's this expression seems to be more popular in Europe and Russia than it is here in the US.

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I would think that JBR's beauty pageant career is in fairly stark contrast to famine stricken North Korean children.

 

[Tadpole12]

SunnieRN,
Good point.

IDI protagonists are not intellectually aware that such questions are relevant. Only the questions that sidetrack the naive.



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For the touch dna result to be considered valid, as ML indicated, it should be assumed that the IDI only removed their gloves, to redress JBR

 

[Tadpole12]

Can I take credit for bold above?

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Joining the dots...

(1) the foreign faction, (2) beheading, (3) stray dog, (4) fat cat.

I think the foreign faction might be disaffected Soviets. Thats because Dec 25-26 is the 5th anniversary of the fall of the Soviet Union. I've posted that like 10 times.

I never knew beheading was Korean, so I'll look into that. In relation to a small child is unprecedented anywhere. I checked and cant find any reference to beheading a small child.

Stray dogs. The story I heard was that starving North Koreans poured boiling water over stray dogs...

Fat cats. A derogatory term for a rich capitalist who is known for exploiting the masses for his own personal gain. In the 1990's this expression seems to be more popular in Europe and Russia than it is here in the US.

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I would think that JBR's beauty pageant career is in fairly stark contrast to famine stricken North Korean children.

Cats and dogs are still eaten in rural regions of Korean, so who knows
'fat cat' could be an expression in the Korean language.

 

[UKGuy]

For the touch dna result to be considered valid, as ML indicated, it should be assumed that the IDI only removed their gloves, to redress JBR

Tadpole12,

Sure. There is no problem with the touch-dna per-se just that it may have originated from more than one source. e.g. Christmas wrapping papper that held the size-12's. Contrast that with the IDI who reckon it could only have arrived on JonBenet's clothing by being deposited by an intruder.

The inability of the IDI to accept such propositions is what makes their position similar to that of some greek philospher who remarked: Do not hit that dog, since it is the reincarnated soul of your long dead friend, or words to that effect.

Another expression from someone whose body is still kept mummified in a pickle jar is Nonsense on stilts

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[SunnieRN]

Cats and dogs are still eaten in rural regions of Korean, so who knows
'fat cat' could be an expression in the Korean language.

I find this HIGHLY unlikely as it is an American expression.

 

[DeeDee249]

I find this HIGHLY unlikely as it is an American expression.

The note doesn't sound remotely Korean or the way Koreans speak English. Not the Koreans I know, anyway.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Yep- those wild and crazy Koreans.

You're not kidding:

18-Sep-1996: North Korean Submarine Lands Near Gangneung Sparking Deadly 49-Day Manhunt

A 49-day long manhunt ensued, from 18 September through 5 November, resulting in the capture or elimination of all the crew and members of the reconnaissance team, let one, who is believed to have made it back to North Korea. 16 South Korean soldiers and civilians died and 27 were wounded. Of the 26 North Korean infiltrators, 1 was captured, 11 were murdered by the other members or died from a murder-suicide, 13 were killed in firefights with the ROK Army, and 1 reportedly escaped back to North Korea.
The submarine was salvaged and towed to a naval base for investigation. One captured crewmember, the submarine's helmsmen, Lee Kwang Soo, gave in after much interrogation and revealed much of the plans. He later became an instructor in the South Korean Navy.
North Korea was at first reluctant at taking responsibility and claimed that the submarine had suffered an engine failure and had drifted aground, but issued an official apology on December 29. The following day, the remains of the infiltrators were returned to North Korea.

http://timelines.com/1996/9/18/nort...near-gangneung-sparking-deadly-49-day-manhunt



The [North Korean] famine was at its peak in mid 1996 to late 1997, much of the destruction occurred in this year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_famine

The note doesn't sound remotely Korean or the way Koreans speak English. Not the Koreans I know, anyway.

I guess we should just overlook 'the remains' remark then. Its probably not related, right?

 

[joeskidbeck]

Try going to Barnes and Noble, Amazon or used book stores instead.

No, HOTYH, you don't have to buy any of the "rags", all you have to do is come here, which you do quite often, so you must somewhat enjoy reading about RDI.
I made a mistake in my post about the mainstream media. I actually meant ANY news source today whether or not you give them credit as newsworthy or just more fodder for gossip. Either way, none of them are sources for the truth in what happened to JonBenet. The only people who really know what happened are not talking unless you are implying that they are talking to you and if so, please enlighten the rest of us who must rely on the expert testimony that we have read and read quite often.

 

[joeskidbeck]

Let's also not forget one other thing. Lot of talk going on about Korean's and beheading a six year old girl. NOBODY, Korean or otherwise, beheaded a six year old girl or ever intended to. If they had intended to, since they obviously killed her anyway, they would have beheaded her. Exactly how far will IDI's go in order to convince themselves that the Ramseys are innocent? They have to be trying to convince themselves because nobody else is believing it.

 

[Tadpole12]

I find this HIGHLY unlikely as it is an American expression.

heyya SunnieRN.

I was thinking more along the lines of transferable expression, animal imagery, Korean proverbs, with shared cultural meaning.

http://www.inspirationfalls.com/funny-korean-wisdom/


The frog forgets that he was once a tadpole.

 

[SunnieRN]

I see your point, but respectfully disagree that anyone tied to a 'Korean faction' would use American terminology. They state they respect Johns company, but not the government it serves.

Therefore I don't understand why the theories are that a Korean faction would kill Jon Benet? If they actually respect Johns company, they obviously do not hold him in any way responsible for the sex scandal debacle.

What precautions and investigations did Access Graphics, or Lockheed make to protect their employees and families? If they 'got the message' you would think they would have had armed guards at each door of the company and special protection for other presidents, vice presidents, CEOs, CFOs and anyone else that might have been in jeopardy. I didn't see any such moves. In fact even the Ramsey family didn't take such precautions.

 

[CathyR]

I think the sff is a lie. Maybe they were aware of world news and picked that bit of info out when they saw Korea on the paint brush, and having seen John's pay stub and who he worked for.

I think the RDI's are right about the RN is was written to throw off the police, but it was written to throw off the family too.

I believe the original intent was to kidnap JBR ( with no RN) but the perp lost control of her or cooperation ceased from her. The garrote was to keep her silent as it is hard to scream when being strangled. The cooperation being lost or the effect of being stunned wearing off she was fighting to get away, then struck hard with the flashlight.It wasn't intentional to kill her( at that time) but to knock her out. He hit her too hard and realizes it right away. He does what he wanted to do to her somewhere else.
The perp molests her with the end piece that is missing from the paintbrush. He takes this as a souvenir. Maybe because her head injury was so severe the killer realizes he can not take JBR with him she is dying. He wanted to keep her and molest her awhile. He removes his gloves as he wants to touch her at least once with his bare hands, and transfers a small amount of DNA on her as he redresses her.
He needs a new plan now, he was going to take her(with no RN) but he needed her to cooperate in getting out of the house. He knows if he leaves a RN that the police will be looking for a kidnapped child, not a missing one. He plans to leave Boulder now and wants to make sure he is not stopped as police will be looking for someone with a child. He was going to use the hours before she was found missing to get out of Dodge but the RN means the police will be less likely to set up Amber Alerts or roadblocks. If he makes it threatening enough they may just cruise in unmarked cars and look at cars with kids in them, they wouldn't want to alert a kidnapper they are closing in on him. He will not be noticed. He will not fit the profile. Even if pulled over and searched he will not have JBR with him.
He had entered the house and spent some time in it before the R's came home. He is thinking about how to word the RN and mislead the police and parents. He knows handwriting analyst will look this over, so will the parents, so he copies the block style writing he has seen in the house, he uses an amount of money he sees on a pay stub to make it look like someone from work. He uses phrases familiar to the R's in an effort to convince them the RN is real ( speaking someone's language). He writes the note for the parents,and for the investigators. He puts misinformation the SFF, the amount of money, the threats, all to keep them at bay and buy him time to get away. He copies the writing style to cause further confusion. He only needs the RN to buy him time.

He is not an uneducated person, well read and up on current events he uses the term SFF and the connection he made in his head when he realized who John worked for ( he saw his pay stub). SBTC, and then seeing Korea on the paintbrush he comes up with this false lead/profile of a perp. He is trying to make sure no info that is in any way actually connected to him is in the note. Copying the handwriting buys him time with the cops who will notice the similarity to one of the parents. Block style is the easiest to mimic. If he doesn't want to match handwriting samples he may have to give later. Patsy may have had lists right there on the desk or other items he could easily reference.he might have seen both their handwriting and selected Patsy's because block is easy to copy.the body will be found in the house and that will cause suspicion of the parents he wants to use this for his advantage.

The whole point of the note was to buy time for him to get away.

I came to this conclusion after seeing the movie clip, reading about the Korean problems and realizing something. If you compose anything even if you are trying to "fake it" something of yourself or your thoughts are going to be there. The reason the note is so long is because the IDI had to lay a false trail for the investigators( who he is), throw suspicion on one of the parents( copying the handwriting style) throw suspicion on someone from John's work ( the amount of money) and make the police investigating it keep quiet and not cause public "to be on the lookout". He does state he is aware of police tactics and that is his motive for writing the note. He confesses his motive in the note itself. Read the note and I bet every line can be classified as either part of the false identity he wants to create, or the attempt to throw suspicion to another party. Only the somewhat southern phrases are meant in an attempt to endear himself in believability terms to the R's.

He did not count on the R's not reading the note carefully and they called police right away. He wanted until 10am to get far enough away. He wrongly assumed they would find JBR's body quickly after 10 am, when the call never came.

I have more ideas about this being correct such as how was he going to get JBR to his vehicle. A strange car might raise suspicion, even at Christmas and the street was quiet at midnight. That or maybe HIS car would ( older run down) raise suspicion, or something like a tractor trailer rig. For whatever reason he was dependent on JBR cooperate with leaving. I think any of the neighbors seeing her with a stranger walking at that time of night would cause immediate alarm. I can only think that he planned to carry her in something a suitcase or laundry bag maybe.

If he did not plan to take her far then he planned to take her near. That would mean someplace closeby in the neighborhood. He would have her contained and under control before police starting looking door to door. If he had made it out with JBR no note would have been left and the police would be looking for a missing child, taken from her bed in the middle of the night. he would have had from approx 1 am to 10 am when no call came to get that far away.

Of all the neighbors who had guests that night I wonder if any of them had a guest who had to change their departure plans last minute? Or never showed up as expected. It could be the plans for departure were not changed but the suspect needed "alibi" time to get away. If a child is missing and the police are combing the area, interviewing neighbors ,anyone recently leaving would be suspect. If a child is kidnapped the neighbors are not notified right away (except the R's did just that) by the police when such a threatening note is left. Public announcements are avoided.

The perp did not care about getting money from the R's. The RN was to throw suspicion on the true nature of the crime, long enough for the perp to get away.

 

[MurriFlower]

Let's also not forget one other thing. Lot of talk going on about Korean's and beheading a six year old girl. NOBODY, Korean or otherwise, beheaded a six year old girl or ever intended to. If they had intended to, since they obviously killed her anyway, they would have beheaded her. Exactly how far will IDI's go in order to convince themselves that the Ramseys are innocent? They have to be trying to convince themselves because nobody else is believing it.

Bec just because you have no knowledge about cruelty, torture and murder of children does not mean it does not happen in other parts of the world.

 

[LadyLu]

I think the Korean or possibly Russian Faction theories fit if you look at the note on it's own, without any of the other facts, evidence or knowledge of the case. It's only when you add other things into the equation that it just doesn't make sense (to me anyway)

"We have your daughter" - No they didn't she was in the basement or possily hidden somewhere else in the house

"I will call you between 8 and 10" - they didn't (although i accept that this could be argued that they didn't call because of the police presence)

"you will also be denied her remains for proper burial" - again, they weren't because her body was in the house.

I could go on.

Although i mostly lean towards RDI, I do believe there is some evidence that points to IDI but the ransom note is certainly not it.

 

[joeskidbeck]

Bec just because you have no knowledge about cruelty, torture and murder of children does not mean it does not happen in other parts of the world.

Murri, everyone on this thread has been discussing the so-called cruelty of the writer/s. The talk of the beheading being the worst. If this really was a foreign faction and they ended up killing her anyway, the FIRST thing they would have done was cut off her head. Why would they not after bragging about it in the note? "Hey, dont take us seriously the next time we try this, we just like to throw words like beheading around for the fun of it".
I know plenty about cruelty that children have to endure and not just around the world, but right here in this country. I believe the last time we got into that conversation, someone here had problems believing it happened in THIS country and ended up being timed-out, so let's not go there, ok?
It looks like it's ok for IDI's to discuss the rn and everything in it but if an RDI happens to question one part of their theory, well, then that poster must not know anything about what goes on in the world. You know what, that dog won't hunt. If you're not familiar with that expression,it's another of those Southern sayings the rn writer was fond of and the meaning can be found here: http://littlerock.about.com/cs/southernlife/a/aasouthslang_3.htm

My only point is if you are going to attempt to take the rn seriously then you must take all of it seriously, which even IDIs must admit is hard to do.

 

[joeskidbeck]

Bec just because you have no knowledge about cruelty, torture and murder of children does not mean it does not happen in other parts of the world.

Murri, I was talking about the JB case in particular, not that any Koreans would never behead or harm a small child.