What The Hell Is Going On Here??????????

[rashomon]

Notice to all new guests. This is a site for RDIs only. Please do be not be disrespectful by challanging their postings. The details below, are officially accepted by the people here, to be the cause and reason, why JonBenet Ramsey died. Enjoy your visit.


Patsy Ramsey goes into her daughters bedroom, awakens her and discovers that she has wet the bed.

Patsy goes into a rage, she drags her daughter downstairs and gives her a bowl of pineapple. Patsy [still in a rage] waits around two hours and then drags her daughter back upstairs and into the bathroom. She then either throws or pushes her daughter, who then bangs her head, against an hard surface.

[The other version, is the same has the above, except this time, after waiting two hours, Patsy, instead of going back upstairs with her daughter, goes and fetches a torch, which she then smashes into her daughters head.]

Patsy picks up her unconcious daughter and takes her down to the basement. She then decides to finish off her daughter and needs to stage things, so that it appears that her daughter, was killed by an intruder. Firstly, she sexually assaults her daughter, with a paintbrush. Following this [and for no apparent reason] she performs a sex act on her daughter and then wipes away any trace evidence. However, she does not do a good job and DNA is left in her daughters underwear. Strange thing is though, when the DNA is later analysed, it is found that it belongs to a MALE!

She then conjures up some cord and a piece of tape and attaches them.

After all this, Patsy then makes a garrotte and strangles her daughter.

However, later the autopsy states that the strangleing came FIRST, due to the relatively low amount of blood around the brain.

We reserve the right to alter certain things, so that they do not contradict our theories.

Notice to all new guests: the quoted # 334 post was written by an IDI (Callan) trying to be sarcastic. There are many factual mistakes in that post, which already have been pointed out by RDIs in the subsequent posts.

 

[rashomon]

Patsy Ramsey goes into her daughters bedroom, awakens her and discovers that she has wet the bed.

I'm an RDI but don't believe JonBenet ever made it to bed on that night.
But whether Jonbenet was already in bed or not is not the point, Callan.
For we will never know what exactly happened.

But what we do know is that the forensic and other circumstantial
evidence (the ransom note, the fibers, the pineapple, the staged garrote scene) incriminates no one else than the Ramseys themselves. And this evidence against them is the basis of every RDI theory.

So for whatever reason, something happened to JonBenet on that fatal night which caused her death and which led both John and Patsy to cover it up. That is what the forensic evidence tells us.

 

[Ames]

Oh, and Ames- it was ME that PM'd you about the green dot! I thought it meant we were...special!

LOL..yeah, that's right. I remember now...that was SOOO funny, not that you didn't know what the green dot meant, (it took me awhile to figure it out too), but that you said that you thought it meant that we were SPECIAL!! That was hilarious....why, of COURSE that is what it means.

 

[Ames]

Notice to all new guests. This is a site for RDIs only. Please do be not be disrespectful by challanging their postings. The details below, are officially accepted by the people here, to be the cause and reason, why JonBenet Ramsey died. Enjoy your visit.


Patsy Ramsey goes into her daughters bedroom, awakens her and discovers that she has wet the bed.

Patsy goes into a rage, she drags her daughter downstairs and gives her a bowl of pineapple. Patsy [still in a rage] waits around two hours and then drags her daughter back upstairs and into the bathroom. She then either throws or pushes her daughter, who then bangs her head, against an hard surface.

[The other version, is the same has the above, except this time, after waiting two hours, Patsy, instead of going back upstairs with her daughter, goes and fetches a torch, which she then smashes into her daughters head.]

Patsy picks up her unconcious daughter and takes her down to the basement. She then decides to finish off her daughter and needs to stage things, so that it appears that her daughter, was killed by an intruder. Firstly, she sexually assaults her daughter, with a paintbrush. Following this [and for no apparent reason] she performs a sex act on her daughter and then wipes away any trace evidence. However, she does not do a good job and DNA is left in her daughters underwear. Strange thing is though, when the DNA is later analysed, it is found that it belongs to a MALE!

She then conjures up some cord and a piece of tape and attaches them.

After all this, Patsy then makes a garrotte and strangles her daughter.

However, later the autopsy states that the strangleing came FIRST, due to the relatively low amount of blood around the brain.

We reserve the right to alter certain things, so that they do not contradict our theories.

Then why are YOU still here...please go away. :croc:

 

[Ames]

I always thought the green dot meant someone relatively new to WS and that you had to earn the blue dot. :doh:

LOL..now THAT'S a good one!! Yeah, only the people that are the most knowledgeable about the case, gets a blue dot....haha...that is funny!

 

[trixie]

Callan is obviously trying to thwart any new posters who might want to join and post here. I am so sick of the sarcasm. Every sentence is dripping with sarcasm. I used to think that wasn't allowed. However I am obviously very wrong. I'm very surprised Tricia or whoever, (since we don't have a moderater here anymore) will allow someone to come on and purposely try to turn away new posters. It is sad to me that this board is deteriorating into what many of the others have become. I guess there's just no safe place for people to go anymore without being verbally insulted, no matter what theory they believe in.

 

[Solace]

Callan is obviously trying to thwart any new posters who might want to join and post here. I am so sick of the sarcasm. Every sentence is dripping with sarcasm. I used to think that wasn't allowed. However I am obviously very wrong. I'm very surprised Tricia or whoever, (since we don't have a moderater here anymore) will allow someone to come on and purposely try to turn away new posters. It is sad to me that this board is deteriorating into what many of the others have become. I guess there's just no safe place for people to go anymore without being verbally insulted, no matter what theory they believe in.

It is a good Board Trixie. It is only Callan and that is it. It happens once in a while. We can handle her. She knows very little about the case. And her posts, one has to read twice to see if she even knows what she has written.

But everyone else is very knowledgeable and very nice. It is a great board, really. Callan pops up every once in a while. She was on Crimelibrary making a joker out of herself for some time, posting without knowng the facts and finally when even her Intruder followers said she was wrong, she left for a while and now she is here. But no big deal. Callan is Callan.

By the way Callan where are you. I want some answers to my questions. And also what do you think happened How much do you want to bet she will no longer post what she thinks happened.

 

[Ames]

I also believe she loved JonBenet but she had been up since 6:00 that morning. That is 17 hours before Patsy says she went to bed (around 10:00 p.m.). I don't know about Callan, but I would have been dragging my feet and possibly nautious at that point from exhaustion and her rage was white when she found JB had wet the bed and JB may possibly have given her an argument when Patsy woke her. Nedra said she did not like to be woken up and would sometimes give the waker an elbow. So I can see Patsy ending that very quickly and saying "lets go now" and not realizing her own strength is strangling JB and leaving her thumbprint in her neck as she twists possibly the red turtleneck and JB is maybe kicking and by the time she gets to the bathroom is going limp (from the strangulation) and loses control of her body and Patsy throws her and JB lands HEAD first (THE BACK OF THE HEAD) into the bathtub.

I don't care what anyone says about this having to be an injury caused by a heavy object. There are no absolutes in this world and things can happen that do not go along with the norm and I think that is what happened with this injury and then it was over.

And didn't you find it quite "odd"...that Patsy woke JB up every night to go to the bathroom...(a midnight potty run)....but, on THIS PARTICULAR night...she did not, or so she says.

 

[rashomon]

It is a good Board Trixie. It is only Callan and that is it. It happens once in a while. We can handle her. She knows very little about the case. And her posts, one has to read twice to see if she even knows what she has written.

But everyone else is very knowledgeable and very nice. It is a great board, really. Callan pops up every once in a while. She was on Crimelibrary making a joker out of herself for some time, posting without knowng the facts and finally when even her Intruder followers said she was wrong, she left for a while and now she is here. But no big deal. Callan is Callan.

By the way Callan where are you. I want some answers to my questions. And also what do you think happened How much do you want to bet she will no longer post what she thinks happened.

I agree with Solace, Trixie.
Since all IDI theories offered on the various JB Ramsey boards don't have a forensic leg to stand on, it is fairly easy to deal with posters like Callan by confronting them with the factual evidence against the Ramseys.
Fervent IDIs don't like that of course, so in case they should get testy, this happens mostly because they have run out of valid arguments.

 

[Ames]

I agree with Solace, Trixie.
Since all IDI theories offered on the various JB Ramsey boards don't have a forensic leg to stand on, it is fairly easy to deal with posters like Callan by confronting them with the factual evidence against the Ramseys.
Fervent IDIs don't like that of course, so in case they should get testy, this happens mostly because they have run out of valid arguments.

IMO..you will also find that 90 percent of IDI's..don't know sh*t about this case. Excuse my language, please.

 

[Solace]

IMO..you will also find that 90 percent of IDI's..don't know sh*t about this case. Excuse my language, please.

I agree with you Ames. I have yet to hear one IDI post a reasonable theory with any evidence. Nine times out of ten they start with the DNA, the DNA that we ALL KNOW IS useless and aged and lacking and all the rest. They cling to it and as soon as I hear that I know we are dealing with someone who has not read up on this or who has has another agenda that does not include finding the truth. Inevitably, they get angry, as Callan has done. When all else fails, insult.

And quite frankly, the theories sound they came out of someone sorely in need of some sort of psychiatric help and that includes 90% of CrimeLibrary. They are all over the place with their theories. I mean all over the place.

 

[BOESP]

I agree with you Ames. I have yet to hear one IDI post a reasonable theory with any evidence. Nine times out of ten they start with the DNA, the DNA that we ALL KNOW IS useless and aged and lacking and all the rest. They cling to it and as soon as I hear that I know we are dealing with someone who has not read up on this or who has has another agenda that does not include finding the truth. Inevitably, they get angry, as Callan has done. When all else fails, insult.

And quite frankly, the theories sound they came out of someone sorely in need of some sort of psychiatric help and that includes 90% of CrimeLibrary. They are all over the place with their theories. I mean all over the place.

What's that old saying, if you can't dazzle them with facts dazzle them with B.S. Maybe that's the motto at CL. :dance:

Does anyone besides me remember reading that Patsy stated she always left JonBenet's bedroom door ajar at night so she could hear JonBenet in case she needed Patsy?

Patsy was in bed by 10 PM on the 25th (her statement). The autopsy estimates JonBenet's time of death as between midnight and 1:00 AM on the 26th (give or take). Most women take a while to fall asleep and besides, she said she left JonBenet's door ajar so she could hear.

I find it questionable an Intruder could come in and carry JonBenet away without Patsy hearing something. The stairwell to the third floor was not that far away and Patsy's already said she could hear things at night from JonBenet's room. Burke's room is clear across to the other side of the house yet Burke states he heard creaking and noises during the night yet Patsy, who leaves JonBenet's door ajar, claims not to hear anything.

I don't believe Patsy. I think she heard something.

 

[Solace]

What's that old saying, if you can't dazzle them with facts dazzle them with B.S. Maybe that's the motto at CL. :dance:

Does anyone besides me remember reading that Patsy stated she always left JonBenet's bedroom door ajar at night so she could hear JonBenet in case she needed Patsy?

Patsy was in bed by 10 PM on the 25th (her statement). The autopsy estimates JonBenet's time of death as between midnight and 1:00 AM on the 26th (give or take). Most women take a while to fall asleep and besides, she said she left JonBenet's door ajar so she could hear.

I find it questionable an Intruder could come in and carry JonBenet away without Patsy hearing something. The stairwell to the third floor was not that far away and Patsy's already said she could hear things at night from JonBenet's room. Burke's room is clear across to the other side of the house yet Burke states he heard creaking and noises during the night yet Patsy, who leaves JonBenet's door ajar, claims not to hear nothing.

I don't believe Patsy. I think she heard something.[/quote]

This is what my son says. He says how do you come home with your family and shortly after go to bed and yet you do not hear an intruder come into your daughter's bedroom and take her. Especially if she were sleeping and someone woke her, she did not like being woken, so at the very least, she is going to make some noise. Lou Smit says someone brought the pineapple to her bedroom to entice her. Righhhht, but she made no noise and John took melatonin and heard nothing. What a bunch of a$$holes. Your kid is being kidnapped and you hear nothing and YOU JUST WENT TO BED.

I understand the Brooklyn Bridge is going for 50 cents.

 

[Ames]

What's that old saying, if you can't dazzle them with facts dazzle them with B.S. Maybe that's the motto at CL. :dance:

Does anyone besides me remember reading that Patsy stated she always left JonBenet's bedroom door ajar at night so she could hear JonBenet in case she needed Patsy?

Patsy was in bed by 10 PM on the 25th (her statement). The autopsy estimates JonBenet's time of death as between midnight and 1:00 AM on the 26th (give or take). Most women take a while to fall asleep and besides, she said she left JonBenet's door ajar so she could hear.

I find it questionable an Intruder could come in and carry JonBenet away without Patsy hearing something. The stairwell to the third floor was not that far away and Patsy's already said she could hear things at night from JonBenet's room. Burke's room is clear across to the other side of the house yet Burke states he heard creaking and noises during the night yet Patsy, who leaves JonBenet's door ajar, claims not to hear nothing.

I don't believe Patsy. I think she heard something.

Yeah, she heard something alright...the sound of her daughters skull hitting the bathtub.

 

[Solace]

Yeah, she heard something alright...the sound of her daughters skull hitting the bathtub.

That would be what she heard. And frankly, John heard them too. Dont' give me this melatonin bull$h*#.

"I took a melantonin and couldn't hear my daughter being thrashed around by her mother"

Her mother who by the way was definitely NOT SILENT. She was more than likely, say 100% likely, yelling at her while she was killing her. Or she is a very methodical killer, but if she were methodical at that point, she would have realized and not killed her, meaning she would have been in control and Patsy was nottttttt in control.

 

[UKGuy]

What's that old saying, if you can't dazzle them with facts dazzle them with B.S. Maybe that's the motto at CL. :dance:

Does anyone besides me remember reading that Patsy stated she always left JonBenet's bedroom door ajar at night so she could hear JonBenet in case she needed Patsy?

Patsy was in bed by 10 PM on the 25th (her statement). The autopsy estimates JonBenet's time of death as between midnight and 1:00 AM on the 26th (give or take). Most women take a while to fall asleep and besides, she said she left JonBenet's door ajar so she could hear.

I find it questionable an Intruder could come in and carry JonBenet away without Patsy hearing something. The stairwell to the third floor was not that far away and Patsy's already said she could hear things at night from JonBenet's room. Burke's room is clear across to the other side of the house yet Burke states he heard creaking and noises during the night yet Patsy, who leaves JonBenet's door ajar, claims not to hear anything.

I don't believe Patsy. I think she heard something.

BOESP,
The pineapple snack suggests JonBenet was not in bed and had no intention of retiring to bed early. Also the sleeping arrangements that night may have been Patsy in the guest room, and JonBenet in some other bedroom, other than her own.

There was no intruder, there is no forensic evidence to link one to the crime-scene, the two prominent theories PDI and JDI are both feasable, the confusing feature is JonBenet's prior molestation, e.g. is it related directly to her death, or is it a determining factor in constructing the wine-cellar staging? The answer, imo, lies with JonBenet being wiped down and redressed, something no intruder would do, staged or for real, so something was being hidden, and it cannot have been any toileting accident since the crime-scene and the toilet upstairs is replete with JonBenet's toileting accidents including her stained underwear, both worn and washed.

 

[BOESP]

BOESP,
The pineapple snack suggests JonBenet was not in bed and had no intention of retiring to bed early. Also the sleeping arrangements that night may have been Patsy in the guest room, and JonBenet in some other bedroom, other than her own.

There was no intruder, there is no forensic evidence to link one to the crime-scene, the two prominent theories PDI and JDI are both feasable, the confusing feature is JonBenet's prior molestation, e.g. is it related directly to her death, or is it a determining factor in constructing the wine-cellar staging? The answer, imo, lies with JonBenet being wiped down and redressed, something no intruder would do, staged or for real, so something was being hidden, and it cannot have been any toileting accident since the crime-scene and the toilet upstairs is replete with JonBenet's toileting accidents including her stained underwear, both worn and washed.

Are you saying that since the pineapple was left on the table instead of being returned to the refrigerator it suggests something happened during or shortly after JonBenet ate the pineapple, and in the hub-bub the Ramseys forgot to put the pineapple and tea glass away? Otherwise, I don't understand how eating a bedtime snack infers anything except proving Patsy and John lied about JonBenet being asleep when they arrived home and her being put straight to bed. I always assumed Patsy left the mess for the housekeeper to clean up, which Linda H-P has stated Patsy often did.

I agree, the JDI theory is as good as the PDI theory, except the public doesn't have access to all the evidence. That limits the public's choices if we use Steve Thomas's book for information (and I do). On the other hand, Linda Arndt told Elizabeth Vargas in a television interview that she believed the moment John brought JonBenet up to the living room everything at the scene that she'd noticed earlier that was strange fell into place. She knew John did it. I also give Arndt's statement weight.

I can't see Patsy protecting John unless they were both involved in whatever happened that killed JonBenet. I also can not dismiss Steve Thomas's theory since he had access to information I don't have access to. Thomas also said he and Lou Smit argued back and forth between Patsy Did It and an Intruder Did It. No where was John mentioned. Linda Arndt is the only professional who has spoken out in favor of the JDI theory and I suspect she had good reasons to believe that although none of it has been made public.

 

[daffodil]

Unless something else happened when John brought JB up from the basement I dont believe she could have read anything in his eyes.

 

[BOESP]

Unless something else happened when John brought JB up from the basement I dont believe she could have read anything in his eyes.

According to the Arndt transcripts at the ACandyRose website here's what she said:

And I see John Ramsey carrying JonBenét up the last three steps from the basement. And, um, and my mind exploded. I mean it literally, I saw black with thousands of lights. And everything that I had noted that morning that stuck out, instantly made sense. (pause, sigh) And JonBenét was clearly dead. And she's been dead for a while. I knelt next to her and I leaned down to her face. And John leaned down opposite me, and um, his face was just inches from mine...(pause, breath) and we had, um, a nonverbal exchange that I will never forget. And he asked if she was dead.

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Here's the link: http://www.acandyrose.com/05191998arndtvsboulder.htm .

In my opinion, Arndt's statements can't t be dismissed just because she used metaphors to explain what happened. The eyes are the "window to the soul," especially to a trained eye. That's one of the reasons profiling often works and its one reason cops do "interviews." They are taught to observe body language as well as elicit information. It isn't a science but to a trained person very useful information can be gleaned by observation.

 

[Ames]

According to the Arndt transcripts at the ACandyRose website here's what she said:

And I see John Ramsey carrying JonBenét up the last three steps from the basement. And, um, and my mind exploded. I mean it literally, I saw black with thousands of lights. And everything that I had noted that morning that stuck out, instantly made sense. (pause, sigh) And JonBenét was clearly dead. And she's been dead for a while. I knelt next to her and I leaned down to her face. And John leaned down opposite me, and um, his face was just inches from mine...(pause, breath) and we had, um, a nonverbal exchange that I will never forget. And he asked if she was dead.​

Here's the link: http://www.acandyrose.com/05191998arndtvsboulder.htm .

In my opinion, Arndt's statements can't t be dismissed because she used metaphors to explain what happened. The eyes are the "window to the soul," especially to a trained eye. That's one of the reasons profiling often works and its one reason cops do "interviews." They are taught to observe body language as well as elicit information. It isn't a science but to a trained person very useful information can be gleaned by observation.

The sentence that I have marked in red, ...says alot in my book. Like she saw alot of things that didn't quite add up...and then, after she saw him..it all made sense. (Implying...imo..that he knew SOMETHING).