What The Hell Is Going On Here??????????

[Solace]

Well folks, here it is - the BIG one. So who is lying??????


The Bonita Papers - 1999


Within minutes of arriving at the Ramsey home, Fleet decided to look around the house. His own
daughter had been missing a few months ago, and after the police were called they found her
hiding under her bed. Fleet was hoping that JonBenet too was just hiding somewhere in the house.
Since everyone had been told by the police officers not to go upstairs, Fleet went town to the
basement. He noticed that the lights were on. He found a small piece of glass from a broken
window in a room used for model trains. In checking the latch for the window he discovered that
it was unlocked, but closed. Fleet also noticed a blue suitcase was sitting underneath the window.
He continued with his search by opening every cupboard and door. He opened the door to the
wine cellar, reached inside, but could not find the light switch and could not see inside the room.
The wind cellar is completely formed by cement and has no windows. Finding no evidence of
anyone entering or leaving from the basement area and no trace of JonBenet, Fleet went back
upstairs.


John went to the basement door with Fleet following. Fleet first took John to the train room to
show him the unlatched broken window that he had discovered on his first excursion into the
basement. John explained to Fleet, "I broke that window last summer when I misplaced my house
key and had to break in." They searched for broken glass on the floor and found one small
splinter. John and Fleet then looked in a broom closet and another small room. While Fleet was
still checking other closets, John walked to the wine cellar and tried to pull open the door.
Because the top latch was secured, the door would not open. John reached up, undid the latch,
and opened the door. Fleet, who was about 20 feet away, heard John exclaim, "Oh my God, oh
my God," and went running to the room where John was standing. As Fleet approached the door,
John flipped on the wine cellar light switch. Fleet saw the body of JonBenet laying on the floor.
John said he saw the white blanket on the floor as soon as he opened the door, and when the
lights came on he saw his daughter laying on the blanket.


Fleet White states that he found the light switched on. He states that he opened the wine cellar door [containing JonBenet, but he was unable too see inside.

John Ramsey opened the wine cellar door and immediately indicated that he had found his daughter, before switching on the wine cellar light.

Fleet White could not see inside the wine cellar, even though he stated that the basement area light was switched ON. But John Ramsey apparently COULD see inside the wine cellar, with this light ON.


This is easily the strangest thing that I have yet to find. Anyone got any answers?

Probably John Callan. He lies about evvvvvvvvverything.

 

[Solace]

8 tape. That doesn't look like that tape I took off

9 JonBenet's mouth.
10 LOU SMIT: Okay. And why do you say that?

11 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, because as I recall,

12 it was black.


The same Lou Smit, who deliberetely showed John Ramsey a different coloured piece of tape, just to see is reaction. That is what police do.

He was doing the same thing, when refering to the pineapple.

How do you know Lou Smit was doing that with the pineapple?

 

[Ames]

8 tape. That doesn't look like that tape I took off

9 JonBenet's mouth.
10 LOU SMIT: Okay. And why do you say that?

11 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, because as I recall,

12 it was black.


The same Lou Smit, who deliberetely showed John Ramsey a different coloured piece of tape, just to see is reaction. That is what police do.

He was doing the same thing, when refering to the pineapple.

HUH?

 

[Ames]

Check out post 76.

Sorry, I missed that.

SOOO...Fleet found the light on, and then switched it off??? It was off when John went down....or so he says.

Look at the house plans...they can be found on FFJ....there would be no way, even if the WC light was left on, that the intruder could have been able to find his way, through all of the junk in the basement...to have been able to find the window, to crawl out of it. The WC and the Basement were two seperate rooms.

 

[rashomon]

8 tape. That doesn't look like that tape I took off

9 JonBenet's mouth.
10 LOU SMIT: Okay. And why do you say that?

11 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, because as I recall,

12 it was black.


The same Lou Smit, who deliberetely showed John Ramsey a different coloured piece of tape, just to see is reaction. That is what police do.

He was doing the same thing, when refering to the pineapple.

Why should Lou Smit deliberately show John Ramsey a different colored piece of tape in this situation? The black tape which was on JonBenet's mouth was seen by both John and Fleet White and taken into evidence.

Throughout the interview with John Ramsey, Lou Smit sounded far more like John's defense attorney than an investigator baiting John into a revealing reply.
Ramsey advocate Smit steered exactly in the opposite direction, for he suggested explanations to John allowing him to explain away incriminating evidence against the Ramseys.

 

[Solace]

Why should Lou Smit deliberately show John Ramsey a different colored piece of tape in this situation? The black tape which was on JonBenet's mouth was seen by both John and Fleet White and taken into evidence.

Throughout the interview with John Ramsey, Lou Smit sounded far more like John's defense attorney than an investigator baiting John into a revealing reply.
Ramsey advocate Smit steered exactly in the opposite direction, for he suggested explanations to John allowing him to explain away incriminating evidence against the Ramseys.

He sho did. Short of offering John a cigar and a cognac. Why John did not even have to complete sentences. Lou did it for him. Great detective. Lovely man. Associates with Tracey. I know, I know he believes what he says, but he should be more discerning of the company he kept - Tracey is as low as one can go.

 

[BOESP]

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

He sho did. Short of offering John a cigar and a cognac. Why John did not even have to complete sentences. Lou did it for him. Great detective. Lovely man. Associates with Tracey. I know, I know he believes what he says, but he should be more discerning of the company he kept - Tracey is as low as one can go.

Maybe it's a new interrogation technique.

 

[Ames]

:laugh::laugh::laugh:


Maybe it's a new interrogation technique.

Yep, instead of just leading the witness.....the new interrogation technique is to actually answer the questions for him. Kind of takes the guess work out of it....makes things alot simplier.

 

[BOESP]

Yep, instead of just leading the witness.....the new inerrogation technique is to actually answer the questions for him. Kind of takes the guess work out of it....makes things alot simplier.

Phewww ... you all are funny.

 

[Callan]

How do you know Lou Smit was doing that with the pineapple?

21 PATSY RAMSEY: All right. Do where we know
22 this is what she ate?
23 TOM HANEY: We are pretty sure it was
24 pineapple.


Quote:
Lou Smit: "The pineapple is inside her, so we have to figure out how that pineapple got there. She had to eat it at some point.
John Ramsey: "Are you sure it was pineapple?"
Lou Smit: "No question. No question. So that's always been the big bugaboo."

Both from June 1998.

Hmm, there is something not right here, is there not? Two detectives giving different opinions. One is indicating that it could be pineapple, whilst the other, is stating that it is definetely pineapple. Who are we to believe?

I mean, it cannot be Lou Smit can it? - he is a Ramsey friend. By saying that, he would not be helping their cause, one little bit.

Therefore, it must be Tom Haney. But why would he not say the same has Smit? It had been 18 months since the murder, surely, if it was possible to scientifically determine that the substance was indeed pineapple ... why did he not confirm it?

What do you think Solace?

 

[Callan]

Sorry, I missed that.

SOOO...Fleet found the light on, and then switched it off??? It was off when John went down....or so he says.

I know that you are an RDI but please try and concentrate.

Fleet White said that he went into the basement and that the light was switched on. He went to the wine cellar door, unlocked it and looked inside, using the light that was already switched on. Apparently, he was unable to find the wine cellar light switch. He said that he could not see JonBenet's body inside, dispite her being wrapped in a white blanket. Hmm.

Look at the house plans...they can be found on FFJ....there would be no way, even if the WC light was left on, that the intruder could have been able to find his way, through all of the junk in the basement...to have been able to find the window, to crawl out of it. The WC and the Basement were two seperate rooms.

http://acandyrose.com/basement-doors.jpg

http://acandyrose.com/072basement.jpg


One cluttered basement, with path straight through too wine cellar.

One empty basement, with light switched on. Notice how the light illuminates the entrance to the wine cellar.

 

[Callan]

Why should Lou Smit deliberately show John Ramsey a different colored piece of tape in this situation? The black tape which was on JonBenet's mouth was seen by both John and Fleet White and taken into evidence.

Simple, if John Ramsey agreed that the tape that Smit was showing him [probably silver coloured] was the same that he removed from the mouth of his daughter, that would be very incriminating ... don't you think?

 

[DeeDee249]

Why should Lou Smit deliberately show John Ramsey a different colored piece of tape in this situation? The black tape which was on JonBenet's mouth was seen by both John and Fleet White and taken into evidence.

Simple, if John Ramsey agreed that the tape that Smit was showing him [probably silver coloured] was the same that he removed from the mouth of his daughter, that would be very incriminating ... don't you think?

Yes- which is why Smit showed a different tape. Smit did not want to portray the Rs a guilty. He firmly believed in their innocence, even if he had to twist facts to show it.

 

[icedtea4me]

8 tape. That doesn't look like that tape I took off

9 JonBenet's mouth.
10 LOU SMIT: Okay. And why do you say that?

11 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, because as I recall,

12 it was black.


The same Lou Smit, who deliberetely showed John Ramsey a different coloured piece of tape, just to see is reaction. That is what police do.

He was doing the same thing, when refering to the pineapple.

It was the same piece of tape, but the side that showed in the picture was the grey sticky side.


-Tea

 

[Callan]

Welcome both of you, to the 'Ludricous Comments' Hall Of Fame.

Round of applause please, everyone. :clap:

I need a lie down.

 

[Solace]

Welcome both of you, to the 'Ludricous Comments' Hall Of Fame.

Round of applause please, everyone. :clap:

I need a lie down.

Take two aspirin and get some rest. Everything will seem a lot clearer when you wake.

 

[Ames]

It was the same piece of tape, but the side that showed in the picture was the grey sticky side.


-Tea

Yes, it was...I have seen closeups of the tape.

 

[Ames]

http://acandyrose.com/basement-doors.jpg

http://acandyrose.com/072basement.jpg


One cluttered basement, with path straight through too wine cellar.

One empty basement, with light switched on. Notice how the light illuminates the entrance to the wine cellar.

Okay, if the BASEMENT light was on, then why didn't John notice this, when he went and looked for JB the FIRST time around. Don't you think that a light being left on in the basement, is just a little bit suspicious?

 

[Ames]

Take two aspirin and get some rest. Everything will seem a lot clearer when you wake.

I think that Callan needs alot more than two aspirin.

 

[JMO8778]

Who is covering up for who?

and who would cover for who? it's been almost 11 yrs.TR is all for wanting to pin it on an elusive 'intruder'.where is he/she?