What was that about Patsy and acronyms?

[BlueCrab]

So, you have seen Burke's exemplars and that is what you base this conclusion on?

Vic,

No, I haven't seen any of Burke's exemplars other than those which may be Burke's exemplars in the captions of his photo album.

When Patsy was asked who wrote the captions she replied she "couldn't remember". It appears the Ramseys have been super careful not to make any of Burke's handwriting specimens public. I am personally convinced the captions in Burke's photo album were written by Burke.

The results of Burke's handwriting analysis has never been made public, but since the CBI (Ubowski) said he "probably" didn't write the note -- it sure implies Burke wasn't eliminated as the writer.

JMO

 

[Brefie]

How can the mother of a family of 4 (total) look at handwriting and 'not remember' who it belongs to.
Try again, Patsy.

 

[vic]

The only way to even have an educated guess about Burke's handwriting is to have seen some of his handwriting.

Having raised daughters and a son, and working in 1st to 5th grade classrooms, boys almost always have 'boyish' handwriting. I don't believe their penmanship would ever, ever be confused with an adult female.

Just remember those high school years of trying to forge a parents signature... They always knew!

 

[jubie]

Cherokee

PLEASE reconsider your decision!! Posters like me late in this case need you to keep posting as we learn from the debate!! At first all I saw here was either Patsy did it or not but after time I've gotten to see different theories emerge! I really enjoy your posts, I hope you'll keep correcting wrong information!! I'm somwhere in between Patsy did during a 'fit of rage' or Burke did it and Patsy helped cover....?????



Thanks
Jubie

 

[BlueCrab]

The only way to even have an educated guess about Burke's handwriting is to have seen some of his handwriting.

Burke's exemplars are being kept from us, but I think we have already seen some of Burke's handwriting -- in the captions of Burke's photo album.

Darnay Hoffman's handwriting experts have gone on record to say the person who wrote those captions also likely wrote the ransom note. The experts were told the captions were Patsy's exemplars but, IMO, one doesn't have to be a handwriting expert to see that Patsy, with a B.S. degree in journalism, didn't write the captions. They are sloppily and childishly written, and that leaves Burke as the likely writer of the captions, written in the first person in his PERSONAL photo album.

JMO

 

[vic]

If they are sloppily and childishly written, it is because Patsy was writing as if she were Burke! Again trying to portray handwriting that is not hers...

I think this is an area we will have to agree to disagree on, I without reservation believe Patsy Ramsey wrote that ramson note.

 

[BrotherMoon]

If they are sloppily and childishly written, it is because Patsy was writing as if she were Burke! Again trying to portray handwriting that is not hers...

I think this is an area we will have to agree to disagree on, I without reservation believe Patsy Ramsey wrote that ramson note.

Sandy, whose handwriting was bad, spent hours forming the Greek characters in neat rows in her notebook, ... TPOMJB

 

[BrotherMoon]

Cherokee
I'm somwhere in between Patsy did during a 'fit of rage' or Burke did it and Patsy helped cover....?????

Try coloring outside the lines. It was a mix of planning and panic, a long time developing and a deadline of the last Christmas before her 40th birthday. Sorry, no fit. And no Burke.

 

[Nehemiah]

I still want to know who filled out the TAX FORM for the year 2001.

IMO

I'm with you on this, Toltec. That tax form looks just like the "intruder's" handwriting. Is the tax form still somewhere to be viewed on line?

IMO

 

[less0305]

I thought the photo captions looked like some of Patsy's other writings. I have entered items in baby books and photo albums in my handwriting but with personal pronouns such as "I" and "Me" as if my children wrote them. You know, "Here I am eating my cake on my 1st birthday." Well, certainly a one year old didn't write the caption. I think a lot of mother's do this. It's cute and I don't think it's unusual for that to happen. I think Patsy said she didn't remember because she knew darn well she wrote it and it looks like the ransom note handwriting. She knows good and well who wrote the captions. She's not a very convincing liar.

 

[vic]

Yep. That's exactly right.

 

[Nehemiah]

I thought the photo captions looked like some of Patsy's other writings. I have entered items in baby books and photo albums in my handwriting but with personal pronouns such as "I" and "Me" as if my children wrote them. You know, "Here I am eating my cake on my 1st birthday." Well, certainly a one year old didn't write the caption. I think a lot of mother's do this. It's cute and I don't think it's unusual for that to happen. I think Patsy said she didn't remember because she knew darn well she wrote it and it looks like the ransom note handwriting. She knows good and well who wrote the captions. She's not a very convincing liar.

I agree. I think any mom would know if she wrote in her child's baby book, album, etc... I believe that Patsy knew where that line of questioning was headed, and she didn't want to go there. That's one of the reasons why I raise an eyebrow toward the Rs being completely honest about this murder. If one is not forthright about the little things, how can he or she be completely believed in the big things? Of course, jmo.

 

[Cherokee]

Cherokee

PLEASE reconsider your decision!! Posters like me late in this case need you to keep posting as we learn from the debate!! At first all I saw here was either Patsy did it or not but after time I've gotten to see different theories emerge! I really enjoy your posts, I hope you'll keep correcting wrong information!! I'm somwhere in between Patsy did during a 'fit of rage' or Burke did it and Patsy helped cover....?????

Jubie, thanks for the kind words.

I guess I wasn't clear in my post ... I wasn't planning to quit posting on the forum, I'm just not going to try to post the true information regarding Patsy's handwriting analysis behind every post BlueCrab makes that distorts the actual evidence. I was just wanted it put in the record, once and for all, that what BC was stating regarding the expert handwriting analysis WAS NOT TRUE.

I don't care if BC thinks Patsy, Burke or Bullwinkle wrote the note. This IS an opinion board, and BC (and everyone else) is free to have their opinion about that, and other facets of this case.

However, it is disturbing when a poster distorts what experts actually said about the handwriting; such as the repeated posting that the CBI almost eliminated Patsy as the ransom note writer. They never said that, and neither has anyone else.

BC and I have been on this board for a long time, and I respect the fact that he is civil to other posters, and has good things to offer the discussion. But his continued misrepresentation of Patsy's handwriting analysis is both very baffling, and extremely frustrating, to me.

At first, I thought that I (and others) could refute with documented evidence his misinformation regarding Patsy's analysis, and BC could see for himself what the examiners and experts had said. For some reason beyond my understanding, he is unwilling to acknowledge the evidence and continues to post his version of the truth. I cannot change that, but I will not be a slave to it. I am not responsible for his refusal to refrain from posting misinformation. Furthermore, it is futile for me to try to refute his every post on the subject, so I will not continue to do so.



IMO

 

[Cherokee]

How can the mother of a family of 4 (total) look at handwriting and 'not remember' who it belongs to.
Try again, Patsy.

Truer words never spoken.

It's not like the questioning was 50 years later, or there might have been 20 relatives to choose from ... either John, Patsy, Burke or JonBenet wrote in Burke's album. Hmmm, let's see, I think we can eliminate John and JonBenet, so that leaves Patsy and Burke.

Now, how many little boys do you know who write captions in photo albums?

How many mothers do you know who write captions in photos albums?

That's what I thought.

Mothers are the ones who take the time to write captions (cute or otherwise) in photo albums ... little boys couldn't care less. I'm the one who does it in our family, and other women I know are the ones who do it in their families.

Patsy was artistic and she liked to document things ... she had a journalism background. Writing "cute captions" in first person for Burke's album would have been almost second nature for her. She was very much into the presentation of things ... of herself, her family, her home.

Now, back to Brefie's comment ...

Obviously, Patsy lied when she told investigators she "didn't know" who wrote the captions in Burke's album. Duh. It was either her or Burke.

How many of you could not tell the difference between your young son's handwriting and your own? How many of you could not remember who had access to, and who wrote in, your young son's photo album?

So why did Patsy lie? Why couldn't she have just said, "Oh, it was me."

Answer: Because Patsy knew where the line of questioning was headed, and she knew the handwriting in the album was similar to the handwriting in the ransom note. She had printed both of them ... neither one was written in cursive. It was damning evidence, and she knew it.


IMO

 

[Cherokee]

I thought the photo captions looked like some of Patsy's other writings. I have entered items in baby books and photo albums in my handwriting but with personal pronouns such as "I" and "Me" as if my children wrote them. You know, "Here I am eating my cake on my 1st birthday." Well, certainly a one year old didn't write the caption. I think a lot of mother's do this. It's cute and I don't think it's unusual for that to happen. I think Patsy said she didn't remember because she knew darn well she wrote it and it looks like the ransom note handwriting. She knows good and well who wrote the captions. She's not a very convincing liar.

Exactly right, Less0305. That's what I was saying in my earlier post. It's not unusual for a mother to write captions in their child's photo album saying, "I did this" or "I did that." It would have been VERY unusual, and quite rare, for a young boy (even up to the age of nine) to care about, or take the time, to write "cute" captions in a photo album.


IMO

 

[Shylock]

How can the mother of a family of 4 (total) look at handwriting and 'not remember' who it belongs to.
Try again, Patsy.

Patsy knows EXACTLY who wrote those captions, but she wasn't about to give the opposing side that information. Unlike the other examples of her writing that she actually signed, she was able to deny knowing who wrote the photo captions.

Not that it matters, because other writing of Patsy's proves she not only wrote the photo captions, but wrote the ransom note. The printing on the "Marilyn Monroe badge" and "Miss Tiny Royale" application matches the photo captions. Would Burke have been writing a badge for JonBenet, or filling out a pageant application?--NO WAY!

 

[Brefie]

I believe there is something not right about Patsy. I am not sure that she killed her daughter, but I am not sure that she didn't, either.


She is an odd bird, murderer or not.

 

[dshadow]

Patsy knows EXACTLY who wrote those captions, but she wasn't about to give the opposing side that information. Unlike the other examples of her writing that she actually signed, she was able to deny knowing who wrote the photo captions.

My mom has about 50 huge photo albums full of pictures and captions from the last 25 years. Occassionally I might write something in there, or maybe my sister or step-dad, but most of the captions were written by her. I can assure you that my mom would be able to look at any given page in the 50 volumes and easily tell who wrote what. Did the mysterious intruder decide write a bunch of photo captions while he was making 2 drafts of the ransom note in the middle of the night?

 

[vicktor]

That's one of the reasons why I raise an eyebrow toward the Rs being completely honest about this murder. If one is not forthright about the little things, how can he or she be completely believed in the big things? Of course, jmo.

That could be part of the problem. BC has suggested that the Ramseys had to have gotten up before the stated time in order to make their flight. I find some of Patsys and Johns answers that they couldn't remember things a little hard to believe. This would also explain how JB could have eaten some pineapple before going to bed. This doesn't mean that I think the Ramseys are guilty of any accidental or intentional wrong doing.

 

[Toltec]

The tax forums were on Court TV's thesmokinggun.com...you also might want to check ACandyRose.com.

Burke did not write the captions on the photo album...be serious! What boy would even think to do something like that. As if Burke didn't have anything better to do...sheeesh!