What was the REAL reason the little doggie went to live at the Barnhills?

[luckyevan93]

Narla's Quote:

Well, maybe if the Ramsey's had taken the time to be responsible dog owner's, they would have had a dog that was housebroken.
Their actions are why there are so many unwanted animals on the streets with noone to care for them.
Interestingly, go to any pound and you will find purebreds that people just had to have....only to realise they couldnt be bothered actually looking after them.
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Thank YOU Narla !!! Truer words were never spoken !!!

 

[cynpat2000]

Maybe Burke was na animal abuser and john and patsy were trying to protect him...and never said anything and people do abuse animals and then go on to murder humans.And burke maybe being the killer and john and patsy covering it up is not as far fetched as one would think!!!!IMHO>>>:twocents:

 

[UKGuy]

What was the REAL reason the little doggie went to live at the Barnhills?.

mmm well how about if the inquisitive dog got in the way of other more clandestine family activities?

Lets speculate and assume it barked, became excitable, thus alerting the household!


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[Camper]

mmm well how about if the inquisitive dog got in the way of other more clandestine family activities?

Lets speculate and assume it barked, became excitable, thus alerting the household!


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----->>>:clap:Lets clap for a new thought. Wonder where doggie slept before he was deported?

Lets explore another thought, just came to me because of UK. My mind is getting foggy after 9 years of wonderment. Seems we read that at times OR was it on a regular basis that when JonBenet wet the bed she would go and get in Burkes bed with him. Wonder why she didn't just get into the other twin bed in her room?

Anyone have a bed wetter or know of one, what do they do in the night when they are aware of what they did. Do they stay put or go somewhere else, er, huh?

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Edited to add: A new thought after I thought I was finished thinking. Wonder if a child when sexually 'bothered' trying to make it nice here, wonder if they are more prone to wetting the bed? Then would they 'escape' so to speak to where they would not be available for anything firther?

I fear we have more questions than we will ever have answers for.


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[sissi]

I have one! He wets the bed about once a week, gets up, changes by himself, uses the bathroom, and crawls into bed with someone else. I believe because it's the middle of the night, quiet, dark and scary, they want to be near someone. He does not bother anyone, or wake them up, he quietly takes care of himself. He's five, and sleeps so much differently than the other children. He sleeps DEEP!

 

[UKGuy]

----->>>:clap:Lets clap for a new thought. Wonder where doggie slept before he was deported?

Lets explore another thought, just came to me because of UK. My mind is getting foggy after 9 years of wonderment. Seems we read that at times OR was it on a regular basis that when JonBenet wet the bed she would go and get in Burkes bed with him. Wonder why she didn't just get into the other twin bed in her room?

Anyone have a bed wetter or know of one, what do they do in the night when they are aware of what they did. Do they stay put or go somewhere else, er, huh?

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Edited to add: A new thought after I thought I was finished thinking. Wonder if a child when sexually 'bothered' trying to make it nice here, wonder if they are more prone to wetting the bed? Then would they 'escape' so to speak to where they would not be available for anything firther?

I fear we have more questions than we will ever have answers for.
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My take would be that if you think the dog being at the barnhills, particularly over xmas, is linked to JonBenet's homicide, then there should be an implicit evidential reason, rather than one that follows from assuming simple expedience on the Ramsey's part.

Camper you may wonder why JonBenet allegedly slept beside Burke, but it would take a brother made of strong stuff to allow his urine scented sister to climb into his bed. Sometimes you also have to wonder if some stuff the R's related was possibly considered with a future trial or interview in mind.

Lets face it, most parents have spare sheets, rubber mats, aerosol available if their child wets the bed, its just something that has to dealt with until they grow out of it. So to my mind what you suggest seems obvious, every night two beds are readied in JonBenet's bedroom, if she wets one then she can just climb into the spare one, why waken your brother, and get into his bed, I'm sure he would pleased.

I'm sure if you speculated that JonBenet was psychologically escaping from some imaginary situation, a bad dream whatever, then climbing in with Burke might make more sense.

Most bedwetters stay put, they learn to sleep through it, you do not need to ask, the smell tells you all you wish to know.


So to round off, if the dog slept in JonBenet's room, then for various reasons that might be inconvenient for PR if the dog made a noise. e.g.

Or Jacques became a hindrance for JonBenet, or for anyone visiting her!


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[sissi]

UK guy, I have to disagree, our five year old changes his underwear and the light sleeper, the ten year old, has never told his brother to "go away". The baby yeah, because he has stepped on him getting in. My niece wet the bed until age 13, my oldest grandson was 13 , as was my sister. My sister and I slept in the same room, my sleep was disturbed only when she made noise finding clean underwear in the middle of the night, she never climbed in my bed, because we were in the same room , the safe feeling was already there. When little all of the other bed wetters had the same routine as our little guy does now, get up, go to the bathroom, change underwear and climb into bed with someone. It has NOTHING to do with a wet bed, and all to do with feeling safe in the darkness of the middle of the night. BTW I can't imagine anyone being angry at a bed wetter. It's kind of sad, because they seem disappointed with themselves knowing they can't control part of their body, if anything ya want to hug them and reassure them that in time they will be dry. Patsy knew that John's children were bedwetters, she wasn't a stupid woman, she had to know that bedwetting has a genetic factor.

 

[narlacat]

<<It has NOTHING to do with a wet bed, and all to do with feeling safe in the darkness of the middle of the night>>

I have often wondered why JonBenét chose to go to Burkes room, instead of her parents.
It was further for her to walk to Burkes room.
Surely she must have been scared walking around that place in the dark by herself at night.
I think the bedwetting was a serious issue in the Ramsey household as much as they both tried to play it down.

 

[dingo]

I wonder if JonBenet might have been given a torch to use for the nights when she did wet the bed.

 

[narlacat]

Hi Dingo
Yes, JonBenét had her own torch (flashlight).

 

[dingo]

Hi Dingo
Yes, JonBenét had her own torch (flashlight).

Hi Narla,do you know if JBS flashlight was similar to the maglight found on the counter,or a more lightweight one?
I,ve proberly read the answer somewhere but just cant remember atm

 

[UKGuy]

UK guy, I have to disagree, our five year old changes his underwear and the light sleeper, the ten year old, has never told his brother to "go away". The baby yeah, because he has stepped on him getting in. My niece wet the bed until age 13, my oldest grandson was 13 , as was my sister. My sister and I slept in the same room, my sleep was disturbed only when she made noise finding clean underwear in the middle of the night, she never climbed in my bed, because we were in the same room , the safe feeling was already there. When little all of the other bed wetters had the same routine as our little guy does now, get up, go to the bathroom, change underwear and climb into bed with someone. It has NOTHING to do with a wet bed, and all to do with feeling safe in the darkness of the middle of the night. BTW I can't imagine anyone being angry at a bed wetter. It's kind of sad, because they seem disappointed with themselves knowing they can't control part of their body, if anything ya want to hug them and reassure them that in time they will be dry. Patsy knew that John's children were bedwetters, she wasn't a stupid woman, she had to know that bedwetting has a genetic factor.

sissi,
There is no way round this one. Unless JonBenet bathed and changed her nightclothes, prior to climbing into Burkes bed, then she would exuding a scent of urine and her underwear and longjohns would be soaked. I seriously doubt Burke would entertain that situation.

So all this talk about JonBenet climbing in with Burke when she wet the bed is less than credible.

There may be other reasons, which the Ramseys do not wish to divulge, then you might expect this, since it is a homicide case!

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[Camper]

Another thought, the R's had lived in that house since JonBenet was a baby. Does anyone remember how old she was when they took possession of the home?

My point is that MOST parents purchase a baby monitor so that they can hear what baby needs might occur in the night, and they could respond.

A baby monitor is mobile, I had one for my hubby when he was total care for me. So wonder IF they ever had one, and where it might have gone.

For those who donut know about a baby monitor - you plug the transmitter into a wall outlet in the baby/adult room, and the receiver plugs into the electric outlet of the room where the caretaker is able to hear any situation.

I used it to my advantage to listen to the realtor who was selling our home. I would go to the room where the receiver was and could hear the realtor and his/her sales technique or lack of when pointing out points of sale to potential buyers. The transmitter picks up a lot all of which is not in the room where it is placed.



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[Nuisanceposter]

I have to wonder...if JonBenet had two twin beds in her bedroom, did Burke also? If so, maybe she climbed into the bed beside Burke at night when she awakened wet, and not into his bed. If so, perhaps he was totally unaware she was in his room with him until he awakened in the morning. I think she probably sought his company out during the night due to need to not be alone while awake at night more than anything.

 

[sissi]

UK, children don't jump out of bed wet then try to slip in with a sibling. They clean up first. Narlacat: Burke's room was closer than the parents, who were an entire level above the children. (they were a bit negligent, NO ONE does this when they have small children)
Whoever said, and sorry, I do try to give credit,that this murder had nothing to do with bed wetting is correct.

 

[Blondieskatz]

Jayelles

I just read your post about your pups. How cute! I have 2 Yorkies and a Maltie and that little Maltie thinks my shoulder is the only place he should be.
They can be such sweethearts. :laugh:

 

[UKGuy]

UK, children don't jump out of bed wet then try to slip in with a sibling. They clean up first. Narlacat: Burke's room was closer than the parents, who were an entire level above the children. (they were a bit negligent, NO ONE does this when they have small children)
Whoever said, and sorry, I do try to give credit,that this murder had nothing to do with bed wetting is correct.

sissi,

I am aware of that, but that just adds to the confusion, since I assume the cleaning up procedure would be a stressful, and posibly noisy affair.

Dont worry I am not promoting a Bed-Wetting motive for her death, just that like other aspects, some things dont add up, on closer inspection.

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[tipper]

sissi,

I am aware of that, but that just adds to the confusion, since I assume the cleaning up procedure would be a stressful, and posibly noisy affair.

Dont worry I am not promoting a Bed-Wetting motive for her death, just that like other aspects, some things dont add up, on closer inspection.

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I'm guessing you haven't dealt with a lot of bedwetters.

Cleanup consists of the wet kid peeling off the wet underwear/pajamas etc, leaving it in a heap on the floor, putting on something dry and sliding into whatever new sleeping place they have chosen. Some of them don't even really wake up during the process.

I'm not sure what you are picturing that would be stressful and noisy.

 

[kazzbar]

How stressful the bed wetting clean up would be relies totally on the attitude of the mum and to a lesser degree the child. If the mum was calm and kind it would be no big deal but if the mother was stressed and angry then it could be a real big deal. It sounds like patsy had a lot of experience in this field so one would think that she had a quick routine for ckean up. I do'nt think JB would have climbed into bed wet with Bourke but maybe after she was cleaned up.I think it is unwise to have little kiddies sleeping so far from parents also. If she cried out in the night how did anyone hear? When she wet the bed was patsy alerted? How? If not did the poor kid just keep sleeping in a wet bed? Aside from this the dog went to the Barnhills because nobody was bothered with it and it probably had a better lot with them.

 

[tipper]

How stressful the bed wetting clean up would be relies totally on the attitude of the mum and to a lesser degree the child. If the mum was calm and kind it would be no big deal but if the mother was stressed and angry then it could be a real big deal. It sounds like patsy had a lot of experience in this field so one would think that she had a quick routine for ckean up. I do'nt think JB would have climbed into bed wet with Bourke but maybe after she was cleaned up.I think it is unwise to have little kiddies sleeping so far from parents also. If she cried out in the night how did anyone hear? When she wet the bed was patsy alerted? How? If not did the poor kid just keep sleeping in a wet bed? Aside from this the dog went to the Barnhills because nobody was bothered with it and it probably had a better lot with them.

My recollection is when JonBEnet wet the bed she would get out of her wet things and move into the other bed. On rarer occasions she might move into Burke's room but I don''t think she usually did that.