What will be the sentence for ICA?

[QuietStorm]

I think KC will be found guilty of murder, not sure of what degree. I doubt that she gets the DP, but who knows? I do think that the A's have shown themselves in the worse light so that the jurors will not give their daughter the DP and I think it will work. The jury might decide that since her upbringing was so atrocious, she does not deserve death. And I think that's been the game plan all along.

All IMHO and I've been wrong before.

 

[SeekingJana]

For some unfortunate reason, I keep thinking they will convict on a lesser manslaughter charge and she will receive time in the vicinity of 40 years.

I need to explain that this is NOT what I want for her sentencing. I want to see either LWOP or DP but I don't think it's going to happen, mainly because of the one juror who says " Judgment is between God and the person.. Not for her to judge". THAT WOMAN SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN ALLOWED ON THE JURY, IMO!!!

I think that because of her own sense of " personal guilt" over a Premeditated murder conviction and a sentence of either LWOP or DP, this one juror may well prevent the extent of punishment ICA should rightly receive for the grievous death of little Caylee Marie.

JMO,
Maria

 

[JustMeDeb]

Besides GA, CA and LA, do you think there is anybody else who would come to defend ICA during the penalty phase? Who in world is possibly left?

 

[M.James]

I chose forty years or less. She should at least be in long enough that she will never be able to conceive again...

I told my husband when this trial started that if I had my way any person (especially a mother) who murdered children should first be sterilized before any other sentence is imposed.

With that in mind, I'd guess LWOP (and pray for a bonus of sterility).

 

[donnam]

Hope this is ok here as we will want to discuss this.

Here are the tweets I just got:

MarkNeJame Mark NeJame



There is a universal mistake concerning #caseyanthony charges. My team has been researching & no felony/murder charged. Only count 1 is DP.






MarkNeJame Mark NeJame



County 2, aggravated child abuse, did not allege felony murder. Max is 30 years.

Only County 1 is the death penalty. Counts 2 & 3 are 1st degree felony/ 30 yr. max each.


MarkNeJame Mark NeJame



All presumed felony murder.I looked at indictment & had it researched w 2 partners today. Everyone is wrong. No felony

MarkNeJame Mark NeJame



Premeditation must be proven. Aggravated child abuse will not be enough for life imprisonment.

MarkNeJame Mark NeJame



Explanation: Count 1 is 1st degree. Requires premeditation. Penalty is Life or Death Penalty

MarkNeJame Mark NeJame



Explanation: Count 1 First Degree Homicide. Requires premeditation. Penalty is life in prison or death penalty.

MarkNeJame Mark NeJame



Count 2 is Aggravated Child Abuse. No felony murder allegation. Hence a 1st degree felony punishable by max of 30 years.



MarkNeJame Mark NeJame



Count 2 is Aggravated Child Abuse. No allegation of Felony Murder. Hence a 1st degree felony punishable by a max of 30 yrs.

MarkNeJame Mark NeJame



Count 3 is aggravated manslaughter. Another 1st degree felony w a max penalty of 30 yrs

So if he doesn't get LWOP when could she get out if she gets 30 yrs!!!!

 

[megsy]

Oh dear.

 

[sweetmop]

Noooo!
Please no!

 

[wonders]

I had to select LWOP as I don't know what is in the minds of the jurors.

 

[Aqua_Green_Bean]

JMO because I am far from a legal expert, but Casey's first and main charge is First Degree Murder (per the Orange County Inmate information website).

In Florida, I thought there were 2 types of 1st degree murder:

1) Premeditated
2) Felony, which is when a death occurs during aggravated child abuse (or a bunch of other things)

Maybe one of the legal experts can chime in, but from my layperson understanding, you are charged with First Degree Murder and the jury decides which type (premeditated or felony).

 

[~n/t~]

BBM

No it actually wasn't strange - just Florida Law. A person is deemed fit to stand trial before the trial starts. Florida does not allow "mental issues" used as a defense beyond that in a capital trial.

So, the defense, being completely fed up they couldn't sneak the experts in during the guilt phase despite a couple of underhanded attempts, decided to have another run at it and convinced the Judge to have another competency hearing. Again, fit to stand trial.

That's it. Simply, does ICA know right from wrong and does she understand consequences. The answer was yes.

Also, please excuse my very basic language - my brain is completely fried...

bbm.....I believe you are incorrect.

The defense had said it planned to introduce testimony at the trial from two mental health experts, Dr. Jeffrey Danzinger and William Weitz, that would rebut the idea of her "consciousness of guilt." Legal experts said the strategy could help prevent Anthony having to take the stand in her own defense.
Since word of the new witnesses, both sides in the case have been fighting over the experts' opinions and whether they should be allowed at the trial.

The prosecution argues it should have been able to have one of its own mental health experts examine Anthony. It also filed a motion to prohibit any mention of the experts' opinions during and before the trial. The prosecution argued the information is irrelevant because Anthony is not seeking an insanity defense.

The defense withdrew Danzinger as a witness on Wednesday. During a hearing Friday, defense attorney Jose Baez announced after a sidebar that he would withdraw Weitz as a witness.

http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/27560441/detail.html


The only reason they withdrew the testimony was because the State would've had their own experts examine Casey. The results, imo would've been unfavourable to the defense so they decided to bring in the "grief expert" who had never met Casey Anthony and knew very little about the evidence in this case.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Hope this is ok here as we will want to discuss this.

Here are the tweets I just got:

MarkNeJame Mark NeJame



There is a universal mistake concerning #caseyanthony charges. My team has been researching & no felony/murder charged. Only count 1 is DP.






MarkNeJame Mark NeJame



County 2, aggravated child abuse, did not allege felony murder. Max is 30 years.

Only County 1 is the death penalty. Counts 2 & 3 are 1st degree felony/ 30 yr. max each.


MarkNeJame Mark NeJame



All presumed felony murder.I looked at indictment & had it researched w 2 partners today. Everyone is wrong. No felony

MarkNeJame Mark NeJame



Premeditation must be proven. Aggravated child abuse will not be enough for life imprisonment.

MarkNeJame Mark NeJame



Explanation: Count 1 is 1st degree. Requires premeditation. Penalty is Life or Death Penalty

MarkNeJame Mark NeJame



Explanation: Count 1 First Degree Homicide. Requires premeditation. Penalty is life in prison or death penalty.

MarkNeJame Mark NeJame



Count 2 is Aggravated Child Abuse. No felony murder allegation. Hence a 1st degree felony punishable by max of 30 years.



MarkNeJame Mark NeJame



Count 2 is Aggravated Child Abuse. No allegation of Felony Murder. Hence a 1st degree felony punishable by a max of 30 yrs.

MarkNeJame Mark NeJame



Count 3 is aggravated manslaughter. Another 1st degree felony w a max penalty of 30 yrs

So if he doesn't get LWOP when could she get out if she gets 30 yrs!!!!

Can you ask AZlawyer about this on the lawyer thread? MNJ does not do criminal law IIRC, maybe AZ will know what this is all about...

 

[Nenato5]

Seems that Mark NeJame and Richard Hornsby disagree

RichardHornsby Richard Hornsby
@
@MarkNeJame Even where State expressly charges premeditation it can proceed under alternative felony murder theory"

MarkNeJame Mark NeJame
@
@RichardHornsby DId you see my tweet on Count 2


RichardHornsby Richard Hornsby
@
@MarkNeJame The state does not even need to charge Count 2 to argue felony murder theory.

 

[ZsaZsa]

The charges listed against ICA are
1st degree Murder
Aggravated Child abuse
Aggravated manslaughter of a child
and the lying to LE charges...

 

[Nenato5]

Anxious to have a lawyer explain--I thought Aggravated Child Abuse, when child dies, becomes felony murder.

 

[Nore]

I am hoping for LWOP but I voted 40 years or less. I have tried to listen to the trial from a jurors perspective and concentrate only on the evidence presented. Sentencing someone to death is a very serious matter. I would need to be ABSOLUTELY certain that the defendant committed the crime. Which I am from reading here with you all but the jury doesn't know the things that we all do.

Did the defense create enough reasonable doubt for this jury to consider the 'what ifs'?
I don't know.

I wish the state had called the young man who asked ICA if she was jogging on Suburban Dr. and she denied it. That would be a deal breaker for me because it places her in the vicinity of the remains site and I would recommend LWOP.

I am just praying that Caylee Marie gets the justice she deserves.

wm

I'm gonna miss you all when this is over

--------------------------------

We could always get together in the basement once a week.arty:

 

[megsy]

Whew. From Richard hornsby:
@MarkNeJame Read this case link: t.co/ZBt979P States no need to specifically allege felony murder or premed as long as cite statute.
web

 

[Nenato5]

They seem to have resolved it via Twitter

RichardHornsby Richard Hornsby
@
@MarkNeJame Read this case link: goo.gl/xojsZ States no need to specifically allege felony murder or premed as long as cite statute.


MarkNeJame Mark NeJame
Scare averted thanks to case provided by excellent atty @richardhornsby. Felony murder still applies.For weeks I agreed but got scared today

 

[Caligram]

I voted that the verdict will be LWOP but ICA deserves the DP. Only problem with the DP is the additional costs of appeals and the length of time it will then take to unlock the cell door for the last time for ICA. Arguments could take years, and no matter what, ICA has become the burden of the taxpayers of Florida. Is this true justice for Caylee? Nope, it won't ever be enough, Caylee Marie is dead, her killer is not.
IMO

 

[erinleigh]

Here is another reason I believe it will be LWOP:

These are the only woman on Death Row in Florida Right Now:

Tiffany Cole

WF, born 12/3/81, was sentenced from Duval County on March 6, 2008 for her role in the double murder of a Jacksonville couple who was buried alive. She is currently on death row at Lowell Correctional Institution.​

Emilia L. Carr

WF, born 8/4/84 was sentenced from Marion County on February 22, 2011 for the kidnapping and murder of her co-defendant’s ex-wife, Heather Strong, 26. The co-defendants, who were dating at the time the time of the murder and have a child together, are accused of having lured Strong into a storage trailer behind Carr's mother's home, duct-taping her to a chair, putting a plastic bag over her head and suffocating her. The victim’s body was found a month later (March 2009) in a shallow grave. The jury recommended the death penalty by a 7-5 majority. Carr is currently on death row at Lowell CI Annex.

Margaret A. Allen

BF, born 1/23/66, was sentenced to death from Brevard County on May 19, 2011 for torturing and killing her housekeeper, Wenda Wright, whom she thought had stolen money from her purse. The jury unanimously voted for the death penalty for her. She also got a life sentence for kidnapping. Prosecutors said the torture went on for hours before Wright was strangled with a belt. Allen's roommate, James Martin, and nephew, Quinton Allen, were both convicted for their part in helping her try to bury the body in a shallow grave.

Ana Marie Cardona

WF, born 11/26/61, was sentenced from Miami-Dade County for the torture murder of her three-year-old son. The boy was nicknamed "Baby Lollipops" because of the tee shirt he was wearing when the police found his beaten body. The sentence was vacated on November 22, 2002. She was re-sentenced to death in June 2011 by Circuit Judge Reemberto Diaz in a Miami-Dade courtroom.




And only 2 women that were ever put to death:


Judias Goodyear Buenoano

WF, born 4/4/43, was sentenced in Orange County on 11/26/85, for the 9/16/71 death of her husband by poisoning him with arsenic. Nicknamed the "Black Widow," Goodyear was also convicted (and sentenced to life) for the May 13, 1980 drowning murder of her paralyzed son in Santa Rosa County. She had two death warrants signed and stayed. On March 30, 1998, the state of Florida executed Bueonano. She was the first woman to die in the electric chair in Florida.

Aileen C. Wuornos
WF, born 2/29/56, was sentenced from Volusia County on 1/31/92 for the December 1, 1989 shooting murder of a Clearwater businessman. She has been implicated in the deaths of several other men. She was executed on October 9, 2002.


http://www.dc.state.fl.us/oth/deathrow/women.html#current

Emila Carr killed "only" one person, she is young and on death row. If proven guilty of ]1!st degree murder of a 2 yr old I could see ICA getting death. although I dont believe it will happen. I predict 25-30 years convicted of several charges. I really hope im wrong with the feeling sometimes of a hung jury or innocent of all charges except the lessor ones. thats the problem with juries. They are so unpredictable. 12 people with different points of view. now if ICA was a man, she would surely be convicted based on the evidence I think.
its just so stressful trying to predict because we all know so much more than the jury on the facts not intoduced into evidence. I wish there was a little difference in the system where any evidence/circumstances relating to the case could be presented. its really hard to make a decision without all the facts.

 

[Kentjbkent]

Well there you have it.....Casey is guilty......cause Kim Kardashian says so.....

http://celebs.[link removed]/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979545506

GEESH!