What will Cindy's Role be in Upcoming Events?

[logicalgirl]

I know this sounds crazy but I sure hope the State will take the jury out to the bay where the car is being held and let them smell for them self. The smell of decomposition never leaves a car. Never. Once the jury smells that trunk they will know the difference. Hope Ashton and or Linda are reading here.

I was hoping for that also but AZLawyer says it won't happen - the majority of the jurors probably haven't smelled decomp so wouldn't be able to identify it and would have no experience to compare it to.

 

[Frigga]

I was hoping for that also but AZLawyer says it won't happen - the majority of the jurors probably haven't smelled decomp so wouldn't be able to identify it and would have no experience to compare it to.

Maybe this is a silly question, but couldn't they (the jurors) be allowed to smell actual human decomp (from a morgue or hospital) and then allow them to smell the odor from the trunk for them to compare the two?

 

[Feebot]

I wonder if Cindy dropped by Tony's jeep to put dryer sheets in there while she was pcking up Casey........'m just sayin......

They really ought to bring a piece of that stained carpet into the court room along with the bag of trash and have one of the cadaver dogs show them which one smells like decomp.

As far as the dryer sheets, the photo's I've seen only had ONE that looked like it had been tossed into the back seat of Casey's car. If she used them that sparingly, no way the trunk would have registered high levels of it off of one or two sheets. If they did, there would be a lot of people passed out from just trying to do laundry.

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[drip~drop]

I have a question and I am not sure where to ask it, it pertains to CA's testimony April 1.

Why does the DT want to stress that the trunk was open for so long with the febreeze and dryer sheets? I get what they are trying to do with the fresheners but why stress the trunk being OPEN?

The smelled jumped in.:fence:
imo:innocent::truce:

 

[logicalgirl]

Maybe this is a silly question, but couldn't they (the jurors) be allowed to smell actual human decomp (from a morgue or hospital) and then allow them to smell the odor from the trunk for them to compare the two?

No, that's not a silly question to me but rather than actually getting 12 jurors to travel to a morgue and then the crime storage where the car must still be - wouldn't it be easier to have a couple of professionals who are very familiar with the odor to testify?

I might just draw the line at going and actually smelling decomp if I was a juror. My brother found a body in a car way out in the woods when he was a kid and it took him 20 years to tell me. He could still remember how bad it smelled. So maybe not, eh?

 

[logicalgirl]

The smelled jumped in.:fence:
imo:innocent::truce:

LOL - and then Baez was disdainfully taking about whether or not anyone measured the smell in the garage at the Anthony's house.......I guess maybe implying if it really was the smell of decomp would still be there weeks, months or years afterwards......:banghead:

I just did not get his point AT ALL.

 

[LambChop]

No, that's not a silly question to me but rather than actually getting 12 jurors to travel to a morgue and then the crime storage where the car must still be - wouldn't it be easier to have a couple of professionals who are very familiar with the odor to testify?

I might just draw the line at going and actually smelling decomp if I was a juror. My brother found a body in a car way out in the woods when he was a kid and it took him 20 years to tell me. He could still remember how bad it smelled. So maybe not, eh?

They already have them, LE, SB from the tow yard, dog handler, Yuri, Dr. Vass, etc. They all smelled it and all said the same thing.

What surprised me was Dr. Furton saying he did not think he could distinguish between animal decomposition and human and he's a chemist. jmo

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Cindy's role?

1. Protect Casey.
2. Protect Cindy.
3. Protect Anthony reputation.
4. Line up excuses:

• Use meds as excuse for inconsistencies in testimony.
• Claim Caylee is still alive.
• I don't remember.
• I am grieving.
• SODDI (must I list their names again?)
• LE blamed Casey from the beginning.
• The alphabet isn't long enough.

5. Sell all the pictures I can of Caylee (concentrate on those with Casey & Caylee happy together.)
6. Find a job for George or get rid of him.
7. Buy a van and adopt an Irish baby for when Casey gets out.

Cindy is seriously in survival mode now and although I feel sorry for her that she is in that position, I can't condone any of her actions. I am worried that, unless she is even more self-serving than I believe she is, that she will soon implode. Just as the truth will reveal itself in this case (and Caylee will have her justice) so will the truth of Cindy's real character be unveiled to all. . .

Just moo.

 

[Frigga]

No, that's not a silly question to me but rather than actually getting 12 jurors to travel to a morgue and then the crime storage where the car must still be - wouldn't it be easier to have a couple of professionals who are very familiar with the odor to testify?

I might just draw the line at going and actually smelling decomp if I was a juror. My brother found a body in a car way out in the woods when he was a kid and it took him 20 years to tell me. He could still remember how bad it smelled. So maybe not, eh?

Good point Logicalgirl! I was thinking more along the lines of a rag soaked in decomp fluids brought in to the courtroom (seriously, what was I thinking?) and then maybe a sample of the pontiac carpet, but you are absolutely right- they have the testimony from many different sources to convey this important information to the jury, and that should be enough. It has been enough to convince me, so I do believe it will be enough for the jurors, as well! Thanks for always being... well... so logical!

 

[Pattymarie]

I miss her. Cindy has been so maligned for no reason other than being a caring grandma. Yes, her actions have been suspect. I think and pray for her and hope she is alright. I hope she is not brought up on any criminal charges, however, I do, believe her actions have merit in this case. I hope she is able to tell the truth, for her granddaughter and the best possible sentece for her daughter. I hope she is able to re-gain a "will to live" as her husband has recently professed.

What do you think will happen with her, now, and for the trial?

I started this thread 2 years ago...cannot believe what I wrote way back then. I still hope and pray that these grandparents tell the truth for their granddaughter and accept and understand the consequences that KC must face.

 

[LinasK]

I started this thread 2 years ago...cannot believe what I wrote way back then. I still hope and pray that these grandparents tell the truth for their granddaughter and accept and understand the consequences that KC must face.

And poll numbers are changing. 8 more people have voted that she'll help the defense...

 

[logicalgirl]

They already have them, LE, SB from the tow yard, dog handler, Yuri, Dr. Vass, etc. They all smelled it and all said the same thing.

What surprised me was Dr. Furton saying he did not think he could distinguish between animal decomposition and human and he's a chemist. jmo

Are you sure? I thought he said he could......

 

[logicalgirl]

Good point Logicalgirl! I was thinking more along the lines of a rag soaked in decomp fluids brought in to the courtroom (seriously, what was I thinking?) and then maybe a sample of the pontiac carpet, but you are absolutely right- they have the testimony from many different sources to convey this important information to the jury, and that should be enough. It has been enough to convince me, so I do believe it will be enough for the jurors, as well! Thanks for always being... well... so logical!

Um...er....I think I asked AZLawyer that same question a while back...:blushing: LOL - some answers come a little easier when.... :innocent:

 

[Pattymarie]

And poll numbers are changing. 8 more people have voted that she'll help the defense...

I have always thought that CA would help the defense. Not because she is against her daughter, but because she finally called 911...as any decent grandma would do. Even though, at that time, she did not fully comprehend that her daughter had murdered her granddaughter...she knew "somethings wrong...."

She still called 911 to help Caylee. No way in hell did she know what was to become. What has transpired since then...omg...no way would I want to be her.

I guess the question becomes....where does Cindy go from here?

Should I start a new poll?

 

[janine]

No, that's not a silly question to me but rather than actually getting 12 jurors to travel to a morgue and then the crime storage where the car must still be - wouldn't it be easier to have a couple of professionals who are very familiar with the odor to testify?

I might just draw the line at going and actually smelling decomp if I was a juror.

My brother found a body in a car way out in the woods when he was a kid and it took him 20 years to tell me. He could still remember how bad it smelled. So maybe not, eh?[/B]

I would draw the line there, too. That's where it stops for me.

My ex-husband (still best friend) retired after 25 years on the local police force. He found one of his old pals dead from suicide in his house after 3 weeks sitting there in a chair. My ex tried to tell me the story but each time, he vomited from remembering the smell. Took him a long time to get the visual/smell out of his mind, even though he saw lots of dead bodies over the years. This one hit home, and 3 weeks in CA heat must have been bad. Said the windows in the house were covered in flies and moved when he looked inside. :sick:

 

[Just Jayla]

KC is not an addict, so I hope this comparison does miscommunicate my thoughts here:

In families where a child is an addict, you have those who enable, those who stick their head in the sand, those who cease all communication, and those that are the addict's watchdog.

In this case, and to answer the thread topic-CA is hands down the enabler. My opinion is that she should be either the watchdog, or cease all communication. In her role as the watchdog, she would constantly provide tough love, try to guide KC to do the right thing, not fall victim to dishonesty but not abandon her daughter, either. I think a lot of parents here would fall into that category.
However, given that KC is an adult...and given the following, I believe CA needs to take a harder line, maybe consider ceasing communication in some fashion.

KC has accused Cindy's husband of 20+ years and her son of abuse, sexual and otherwise.

According to KC herself, Cindy never believed this. And I personally don't believe it. So I have to ask in all of this, Cindy, how can you abandon not only your granddaughter, but your son? Your FIRST BORN! In the face of a lie you never even believed?

Casey is an adult, physically and psychologically speaking, she needs nothing from Cindy anymore (not wants, needs). The detectives told George this as well-that KC is an adult, they needed to focus on the innocent child and preserve their own sanity.

CA's gestures to KC, her lying for KC, her anger towards eveyone else-Total enabling. In families suffering with addiction, this causes as much strife amongst the sober members of the family as it does between the family and the addict.
In fairness, we have yet to see what CA does if KC does go down the abuse road. However, in light of her silence so far, even when George himself sent that letter to KC (Why me? Why Mom? Why Lee? Why Caylee?), I think she might actually stand aside and let KC do this to not only Caylee (that's a given so far), but the rest of her living family.
And what if Shirley takes the stand? Is CA going to stand idly by while the defense tries to, basically, show that Shirley is untruthful, or that KC's theft was no big deal?
Is CA going to smirk her way through questions about that?

Diseased.

 

[janine]

KC is not an addict, so I hope this comparison does miscommunicate my thoughts here:

In families where a child is an addict, you have those who enable, those who stick their head in the sand, those who cease all communication, and those that are the addict's watchdog.

In this case, and to answer the thread topic-CA is hands down the enabler. My opinion is that she should be either the watchdog, or cease all communication. In her role as the watchdog, she would constantly provide tough love, try to guide KC to do the right thing, not fall victim to dishonesty but not abandon her daughter, either. I think a lot of parents here would fall into that category.
However, given that KC is an adult...and given the following, I believe CA needs to take a harder line, maybe consider ceasing communication in some fashion.

KC has accused Cindy's husband of 20+ years and her son of abuse, sexual and otherwise.

According to KC herself, Cindy never believed this. And I personally don't believe it. So I have to ask in all of this, Cindy, how can you abandon not only your granddaughter, but your son? Your FIRST BORN! In the face of a lie you never even believed?

Casey is an adult, physically and psychologically speaking, she needs nothing from Cindy anymore (not wants, needs). The detectives told George this as well-that KC is an adult, they needed to focus on the innocent child and preserve their own sanity.

CA's gestures to KC, her lying for KC, her anger towards eveyone else-Total enabling. In families suffering with addiction, this causes as much strife amongst the sober members of the family as it does between the family and the addict.
In fairness, we have yet to see what CA does if KC does go down the abuse road. However, in light of her silence so far, even when George himself sent that letter to KC (Why me? Why Mom? Why Lee? Why Caylee?), I think she might actually stand aside and let KC do this to not only Caylee (that's a given so far), but the rest of her living family.
And what if Shirley takes the stand? Is CA going to stand idly by while the defense tries to, basically, show that Shirley is untruthful, or that KC's theft was no big deal?
Is CA going to smirk her way through questions about that?

Diseased.

I wonder how the rest of the family i.e, GA, LA, Shirley feel about being the sacrificial lambs in this scenario?! Must suck to be so low on the totem pole in that family. If I were LA, I'd run. His mother clearly isn't too concerned that he's been labeled a molester by his damaged sister. Where's his support?
Says alot about how much GA depends on CA financially, or otherwise, to tolerate this kind of accusation and still have CA support and lie for the inmate.

Really dysfunctional at it's finest.

 

[Brattigirle]

Thank you Brattigirle for your question. 'Splain it to me cuz I don't know what they are trying to show with the dryer sheets and febreeze. If this could cause the formation of chloroform, wouldn't that bolster Dr. Vass's test results? What am I missing? :waitasec:

LOL here is my thoughts on what they are trying to say and why it doesn't make much sense to me.

They are trying to say that a whole "can" of frebreeze and a bunch of dryer sheets would cause some chloroform in the trunk... ok I disagree but I'll give it to them for a second. What makes me dizzy is that they want me to think having the car airing out would make the chloroform more potent??? :banghead:

 

[Amil]

HA as I laugh. CA has been preparing for her spotlight(s) for the past 2.5 years. We have seen the helmut look with casual clothings. We have seen the poor attempt at the "go granny" look (side note here: an insult to every grandmother on the earth), we have seen the "let me grow my hair out so I look like ICA" look. The "bikini and tattoo" look ( my eyes). The "see all the weight loss" look along with the"braless" look (again cover my eyes). And the most recent "back to the short hair look" but "still haven't figured out how to properly dress" look.

She will strategize for the next month to present her version of the CA martyr look. She will, make no mistake, be calculating to whom she can manipulate and where she can bring in the most $$$$ to benefit her.

Who knows what she will present? Then again, who cares. She, like ICA can't change her spots.

ITA... At the exact time CA was lying on the stand about not remembering putting the dryer sheets in the car ICA smiled. It was an "atta girl" smile.

 

[LancelotLink]

I think she has served notice to the SA that she will pull the grieving grandma routine and the then new meds routine to challenge anything they bring from her deposition to impeach her.
I was very wary about CA and her new revelations.
Then I remembered how she lied during the agent of the state hearing and how well that worked for her.
Plus her shameless, not nearly strong enough a word, performance trying to clutter up the LE calendar timeline with her BS!
Oh! Happy day for me when she is charged with misprision, tampering with evidence, tampering with witnesses, lying to LE, etc.
Bring it, Cindy!! Bring it with your new quivery voice.