What will Cindy's Role be in Upcoming Events?

[pip]

Legal jeopardy for what? It's no crime to spray Febreze, or to say you forgot you sprayed Febreze. There would be no "use immunity" that I know of, but there are also normally no consequences for contradicting your prior testimony, except that the jury will tend not to believe you.

This question by Faefrost and the answer by AZLawyer kind of surprised me when we are discussing reprisals for CA changing her testimony.

And just wait until the jury hears ALL of her contradictory testimonies. Her credibility will be nil. Same with George. I think her family has done more to hurt her case than to ever help it.

 

[logicalgirl]

And just wait until the jury hears ALL of her contradictory testimonies. Her credibility will be nil. Same with George.

Exactly!! That's why I don't understand why everyone gets so upset about this. Angry that her testimony has changed, yes - but we have seen lots of anic: and why?

It isn't going to make any difference at all - we could just hit :ignore: whenever they start and know the jury will understand these parents don't want their daughter to die.

The DT can try whatever they want with GA and CA - it isn't going to work. JA doesn't need to :bigfight: with CA on the stand - just have her agree to her previous testimony - neither parent is credible.

 

[pip]

Exactly!! That's why I don't understand why everyone gets so upset about this. Angry that her testimony has changed, yes - but we have seen lots of anic: and why?

It isn't going to make any difference at all - we could just hit :ignore: whenever they start and know the jury will understand these parents don't want their daughter to die.

The DT can try whatever they want with GA and CA - it isn't going to work. JA doesn't need to :bigfight: with CA on the stand - just have her agree to her previous testimony - neither parent is credible.

Do you think the SA will take off the kids gloves and let em' have it to expose their lies and agendas, or do you think they worry about offending jurors who may find some sympathy for the 'grieving' grandparents?

 

[logicalgirl]

Bold mine

I think they want to introduce as many chemical compounds into that trunk as possible. So how fortuitous that Cindy' s memory improves with time and the right meds. I believe Baez sneakily wanted to get Cindy's new testimony :innocent: about the dryer sheets on the record. Previously we heard she just sprayed some febreze, now its a whole can/bottle. Instead of a solitary dryer sheet origin unknown, we have :liar: several placed by CA throughout the car.

Dryer sheets are known to contain fatty acids. Where have we heard that before? :waitasec: I'm sure there might be a convenient enzyme in the new mix that puts velevta cheese to shame. Or who knows with any luck they might find a useful smidgen of animal fat derivative. And ofcourse, trace elements of chloroform are not to be sniffed at either. :floorlaugh:

Yes, agree KrissKross - I think we briefly mentioned this on another thread but :waitasec:
I agree with you - I don't believe we will find synthetic preservatives in decomposed human fatty acids to stabilize them....:innocent:

Because if Febreeze contains any kind of fatty acids without preservatives - uh - there would be no sniff sniff ahhaaa possible.

 

[logicalgirl]

Do you think the SA will take off the kids gloves and let em' have it to expose their lies and agendas, or do you think they worry about offending jurors who may find some sympathy for the 'grieving' grandparents?

I actually think both, and I hope it will be LBD who does it. She can keep her cool, and if you noticed CA's eyes during her recent testimony - I think she fears LDB more than JA - CA knows LDB will calmly expose any lie she tells and won't get into a shouting match with her.

LDB will remain calm, respectful of a grieving parent, and just as quietly expose her as a liar. Because IMO, the jury will understand a parent might lie - not believe them - but be sympathetic to the situation they find themselves in.

But again - not enough sympathy to be influenced by them. Ever watched someone who is upset making a complete fool of themselves? Part of us is disgusted because they need to "pull themselves together" and part of us feels badly for them because we see they are hurting. But we don't believe what that person maybe saying - if that makes sense - what we see is a gross exaggeration because they are upset and we understand that.

 

[Softail]

LDB will remain calm, respectful of a grieving parent, and just as quietly expose her as a liar. Because IMO, the jury will understand a parent might lie - not believe them - but be sympathetic to the situation they find themselves in.

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I really enjoy reading your posts. You are always so, well, Logical. :giggle:

I totally see what you are saying here, BUT, I'm not sure that I agree.
I remember way back in the begining of this case, I thought OMG - Those poor parents. Their daughter KILLED their grandchild. How horrible for them!! I cannot even fathom having to deal with that. In other words, I gave them a huge pass in the very begining.

As time went by, and I started to see what they doing, how they were acting, part of me still wanted to give them a pass. Probably up to when George attempted suicide, I was still willing to give them a pass. I thought for sure when I first heard about George - The suicide attempt SURELY had to be because he knew what Casey did, and blamed himself for it. When that turned out to not be the case, is when I started to become disgusted by them. And so it went on....

I guess where I am going is, another poster (I can't remember who - So sorry and :tyou wrote about how a jury is going to hear a condensed version of what most people have witnessed for the past almost 3 years. They are going to get all of it in a neat little package.

When they do, I often think they will be like me. They may be sympathetic at first, but when they see all of the lies, and how they have forgotten about Caylee, they too will be disgusted. I just don't see any "grieving grandparents". :nono: IMO

I do COMPLETELY agree with you about LDB. She is sooo good and will remain very calm & cool.

 

[strach304]

Ok so I finally got sick of wondering if the DS had chloroform in them so I googled it.
http://www.philippinereporter.com/2...s-liquid-fabric-softener-harmful-ingredients/

 

[logicalgirl]

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I really enjoy reading your posts. You are always so, well, Logical. :giggle:

I totally see what you are saying here, BUT, I'm not sure that I agree.
I remember way back in the begining of this case, I thought OMG - Those poor parents. Their daughter KILLED their grandchild. How horrible for them!! I cannot even fathom having to deal with that. In other words, I gave them a huge pass in the very begining.

As time went by, and I started to see what they doing, how they were acting, part of me still wanted to give them a pass. Probably up to when George attempted suicide, I was still willing to give them a pass. I thought for sure when I first heard about George - The suicide attempt SURELY had to be because he knew what Casey did, and blamed himself for it. When that turned out to not be the case, is when I started to become disgusted by them. And so it went on....

I guess where I am going is, another poster (I can't remember who - So sorry and :tyou wrote about how a jury is going to hear a condensed version of what most people have witnessed for the past almost 3 years. They are going to get all of it in a neat little package.

When they do, I often think they will be like me. They may be sympathetic at first, but when they see all of the lies, and how they have forgotten about Caylee, they too will be disgusted. I just don't see any "grieving grandparents". :nono: IMO

I do COMPLETELY agree with you about LDB. She is sooo good and will remain very calm & cool.

LOL - logical eh? I'd like to say it comes naturally but I have a confession to make.

When I was a young adult in my 20's - I could not make peace within myself for what seemed like a lot of injustice in my life while others seemed privileged and seemed to sail through life relatively untouched.

So I spent quite a while immersed in R.E.B.T. which "focuses on uncovering irrational beliefs which may lead to unhealthy negative emotions and replacing them with more productive rational alternatives". R.E.B.T being Rational Emotive Behavioral Therapy.

Whenever I am really buried in the "musts", "shoulds" and "ought to's" in my life - I have material I reread to refocus and rebalance myself.

That said - remember I see CA and GA + grieving for Caylee being in a completely different "section" or "thread" than their perceived "support" of ICA. And I do believe their support of ICA while misguided somewhat, has been scared into them by JB - and partly from their horror at her deed - but it is in support of her life, not her innocence.

And I also believe the jury will be comprised of people who have not spent two or more years immersed in depth in the case the way we have. The may have seen blips and bites of the Anthony's bizarre behavior, so I think they will come into the trial as sympathetic to the parents - it is the only respectful and PC (if you will) thing to do. How many times were you told - we don't speak ill of the dead. It's along that line of thinking. And it won't take them long to twig onto what is actually going on - however brief the Anthony's actually are on the stand. We can see through them, so will the jury. I'm confident in that.

 

[logicalgirl]

Ok so I finally got sick of wondering if the DS had chloroform in them so I googled it.
http://www.philippinereporter.com/2...s-liquid-fabric-softener-harmful-ingredients/

Thank you strach304 - that was a really interesting article. So there is a miniscule amount in them - but enough to register 10,000 whatever's Dr. Vass was talking about? And we don't know if other chemicals cancel it out yet.

Mmmmm - risky Mr. Baez. Very very risky argument. Shot in the dark kind of argument methinks.

 

[logicalgirl]

The other thing Softail is we have no idea what kind of a production CA and GA will put on in the courtroom during the really difficult testimony about Caylee, what with pictures of remains and all.

I don't see them getting through the stuff with clear eyes and poker faces, do you?

 

[Softail]

The other thing Softail is we have no idea what kind of a production CA and GA will put on in the courtroom during the really difficult testimony about Caylee, what with pictures of remains and all.

I don't see them getting through the stuff with clear eyes and poker faces, do you?

I would hope they could not get through the trial with clear eyes and poker faces, but they need to let go of the anger. They have shown time and time again their misdirected anger, as recently as these past hearings. Yes, you are very correct, we don't know what they will be like.

Where you said, "And I do believe their support of ICA while misguided somewhat, has been scared into them by JB - and partly from their horror at her dead - but it is in support of her life, not her innocence." You are so spot on! I completely agree! Although they sicken me at times, this is sooooo true. I cannot even begin to imagine what they are going through.

 

[logicalgirl]

I would hope they could not get through the trial with clear eyes and poker faces, but they need to let go of the anger. They have shown time and time again their misdirected anger, as recently as these past hearings. Yes, you are very correct, we don't know what they will be like.

Where you said, "And I do believe their support of ICA while misguided somewhat, has been scared into them by JB - and partly from their horror at her dead - but it is in support of her life, not her innocence." You are so spot on! I completely agree! Although they sicken me at times, this is sooooo true. I cannot even begin to imagine what they are going through.

Yes, you are so right! And I know I have never said I support their anger and behavior at all!

And if the SA goes after them for obstruction and evidence tampering - while I don't actually believe they will) - if they do I will shrug and say there are consequences for all behaviors.

Whether or not the SA goes go after them or not - there are no happy endings for either CA or GA here.

 

[Amil]

Ok so I finally got sick of wondering if the DS had chloroform in them so I googled it.
http://www.philippinereporter.com/2...s-liquid-fabric-softener-harmful-ingredients/

When someone at the A house googled chloroform, could they have discovered dryer sheets contain this neurotoxin and the dryer sheets were used in the murder of Caylee? Is that a possibility?

 

[LambChop]

When someone at the A house googled chloroform, could they have discovered dryer sheets contain this neurotoxin and the dryer sheets were used in the murder of Caylee? Is that a possibility?

Hope not. I have a bunch of them in my laundry room with the door closed.

 

[chefmom]

Cindy's role will continue to be that of lying and trying to lead the evidence away from KC. She has been doing it since shortly after that 911 call. She will continue to do this for the rest of her life. MOO.

 

[logicalgirl]

Cindy's role will continue to be that of lying and trying to lead the evidence away from KC. She has been doing it since shortly after that 911 call. She will continue to do this for the rest of her life. MOO.

You are right - she might! But it isn't going to work now and it will never will - will it!

 

[logicalgirl]

I would draw the line there, too. That's where it stops for me.

My ex-husband (still best friend) retired after 25 years on the local police force. He found one of his old pals dead from suicide in his house after 3 weeks sitting there in a chair. My ex tried to tell me the story but each time, he vomited from remembering the smell. Took him a long time to get the visual/smell out of his mind, even though he saw lots of dead bodies over the years. This one hit home, and 3 weeks in CA heat must have been bad. Said the windows in the house were covered in flies and moved when he looked inside. :sick:

Your poor husband and still best friend! I've had several flashes of this scene in my head since I read about the flies moving - shudder! If the jurors had the smell of decomp brought into the courthouse for the jury to smell and then smelled the car also - can you imagine the pandemonium in the courtroom with brown bags being rapidly passed out everywhere.

It was actually a good idea - until I explored putting it in action and considered the most plausible result. Naw - not going to happen...and I wonder if viewing the car trunk if that was possible, might cause the same reaction for some jurors? Easy to tell I'm a virgin decomp smeller, and I'd like to keep it that way.

Sorry I keep typing decomp when I mean human decomp....

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Do you think the SA will take off the kids gloves and let em' have it to expose their lies and agendas, or do you think they worry about offending jurors who may find some sympathy for the 'grieving' grandparents?

:cow: :cow: :cow:

Both Cindy and George do NOT come across as "grieving" grandparents for Caylee ... because they are "grieving" for their incarcerated, guilty daughter !

If CA and GA do NOT show ANY EMOTION whatsoever for Caylee at trial ...

The SA can just sit back and let the Anthony's "hang" themselves because the jury will see right through the "grandparents" and WHO they really ARE !

I just can't wait for this Trial to be over ... and justice for Caylee !

 

[Solace]

I actually think both, and I hope it will be LBD who does it. She can keep her cool, and if you noticed CA's eyes during her recent testimony - I think she fears LDB more than JA - CA knows LDB will calmly expose any lie she tells and won't get into a shouting match with her.

LDB will remain calm, respectful of a grieving parent, and just as quietly expose her as a liar. Because IMO, the jury will understand a parent might lie - not believe them - but be sympathetic to the situation they find themselves in.

But again - not enough sympathy to be influenced by them. Ever watched someone who is upset making a complete fool of themselves? Part of us is disgusted because they need to "pull themselves together" and part of us feels badly for them because we see they are hurting. But we don't believe what that person maybe saying - if that makes sense - what we see is a gross exaggeration because they are upset and we understand that.

I feel badly for them. I do. But when I see Cindy smiling that sly smile when she is "caught" by LDB then I realize we are not dealing with a grieving grandmother anymore but someone who is using it. Her grieving is over for Caylee, now she is trying to save KC and she is going to do everything she can to do that. Her manner was very soft spoken but there were times when she lied and also very sneaky. I was going to say sly, but that connotes smart and she is not smart at all. She is transparent.

George may as well be wearing a sign "I am going to lie and I hate the prosecutors" and will be saying "unbelievable" a lot.


Also, if you noticed, there is one point during Cindy's original testimony on March 2nd I believe where Linda catches her in a lie (not an obvious one, but one you would realize if you knew about the case) and Cindy smiles and trips over her words.

Cindy is going to lie at every turn whenever she can. I think that the state will treat them with respect but will NOT allow them to overtake the questioning or interrupt, etc. Cindy tried that saying this is very unsettling and that was shot down by Judge Perry. Cindy uses this to get whatever lies in she can as she did with Yuri when he confronted her on the car and her saying they left it at the house for three days.

This is a case that the prosecutors intend to win and have brought out the troops for = they have three of them Ashton, George and LDB and they are all good.

They come across as the team who will not be blackmailed by a "grieving" mother.

 

[logicalgirl]

I feel badly for them. I do. But when I see Cindy smiling that sly smile when she is "caught" by LDB then I realize we are not dealing with a grieving grandmother anymore but someone who is using it. Her grieving is over for Caylee, now she is trying to save KC and she is going to do everything she can to do that. Her manner was very soft spoken but there were times when she lied and also very sneaky. I was going to say sly, but that connotes smart and she is not smart at all. She is transparent.

George may as well be wearing a sign "I am going to lie and I hate the prosecutors" and will be saying "unbelievable" a lot.


Also, if you noticed, there is one point during Cindy's original testimony on March 2nd I believe where Linda catches her in a lie (not an obvious one, but one you would realize if you knew about the case) and Cindy smiles and trips over her words.

Cindy is going to lie at every turn whenever she can. I think that the state will treat them with respect but will NOT allow them to overtake the questioning or interrupt, etc. Cindy tried that saying this is very unsettling and that was shot down by Judge Perry. Cindy uses this to get whatever lies in she can as she did with Yuri when he confronted her on the car and her saying they left it at the house for three days.

This is a case that the prosecutors intend to win and have brought out the troops for = they have three of them Ashton, George and LDB and they are all good.

They come across as the team who will not be blackmailed by a "grieving" mother.

I am not arguing with anything you or other posters are saying except what about CA not grieving for Caylee because I have nothing to draw a parallel to - the questioning of CA I've seen in her testimony and in her depositions has related to and only about ICA and the evidence related to ICA.

If LDB is smart, and we know she is both smart and a brilliant prosecutor, she will have Cindy's deposition readily available during trial testimony, and will ask her primarily closed questions - that is questions that require a yes or no answer only - and keep referring CA back to her previous deposition if/when there are any discrepancies.

I don't understand the ongoing - "CA is going to lie" statements and the "Cindy has lied" statements - as if this is something new. Cindy lies, I know it, you know it, the SA knows it and soon the jury will know it. It is what it is..

Cindy does not want her daughter put to death, and she lies. What is it about those two statements the jury won't recognize? Cindy has no bombshell information that will alter the destiny of the trial - the facts she will testify to are indisputable - she has some additional fluff she keeps altering, but the meat of what she brings to the table cannot be taken away. So really, no matter what Cindy does, or how she interacts with ICA is not going to make any difference at all when we get to the trial.

The trial is going to be two months long - and Cindy may testify right after JA's passionate address to the jury - part of which I believe we've heard. How is it going to go over if CA starts with the ICA smirking and I love you's, to the jury do you think, following so soon after JA's address? And then we have two months of brutal testimony and evidence, with only a minor Anthony blip in the mitigation section. Historically it appears family evidence in the mitigation does nothing to sway a jury.

So while posters may be concerned about CA's attempt at fancy dancing - I am not - at all. Maybe I am just more convinced that ICA will be found guilty of killing Caylee and will face either LWOP or the death penalty than other posters - I don't know.:waitasec: