What's in this cellar room photo?

[Ames]

Well, dark (cotton?) fibers were found on the area, and that is what was thought used to wipe her down. Nighties like that are usually polyester, and might not shed, but I think if there had been pink fibers it would be noted, after all they did make note of the dark ones.

True...just wondering where else she could have bled from, to have blood on her pink night gown.

 

[madeleine]

Is it a known fact that the Barbie nightgown...or whatever that pink thing is beside of the white blanket in the cellar photo...has blood on it? I mean, is that documented anywhere...or does it just LOOK like blood. (I thought that it could just be the lighting, when the photo was taken).

This is the only source I found for it
http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/DNA-Evidence

Blood Evidence

5.the nightgown found next to JBR (samples #17A & #17C).

 

[UKGuy]

I'm still waiting for someone to point out the bloodstains and the Barbie doll??

MurriFlower,

I find it difficult to make out the either doll or blood stains. But the forensic evidence states the blood is there and both Patsy and Tom Haney can see a doll in the photograph, and I assume they are not both mistaken. If KoldKase had not mentioned the sibject I guess I would never have reviewed the evidence.

Screen Capture of the DNA lab report shown on the 48 Hours program

LAB CLASS XX???-2136(?)-4153(?) SECTION: DNA TESTING
AGENCY(?) NAME – CD0878136 – F2 ACBLDER(?)

EXTRACTED(?) BY: blacked out EXTRACTION DATE: 123196(?)
ABSTRACT(X) AFA(?) ?/? ???
RAMSEY, PATSY W/F
RAMSEY, JOHN W/M
RAMSEY, JONBENET W/F

Two lines BLACKED OUT
DATE COMPLETED/JANUARY 13, 1997
EXTRACT(?) DESCRIPTION
#5A,5B# (?) Bloodstains from shirt
#7 Bloodstains from panties
#14B Bloodstain ????? from JonBenet Ramsey
#14J DNA? Or Swab? with Saliva????
#14L, #14M Right and Left hand fingernails from JonBenet Ramsey
#15A, #15B Samples from tape
Bloodstains from white blanket
#17A, #17C Bloodstains from nightgown??
#13A, #13B Semen ??? stain from black blanket
Bloodstain Standard from John Andrew Ramsey

That there is a doll and a blood-stained barbie nightgown, in the wine-cellar, is for me, a game changer!



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[CathyR]

UK Guy


The BLACK BLANKET?
SEMEN??????

What, Where, Whose, is that?

 

[madeleine]

Bloodstain Standard from John Andrew Ramsey ??
where did they find that?

 

[madeleine]

and were there bloodstains also on the white blanket?

 

[Ames]

and were there bloodstains also on the white blanket?

According to the evidence list that was posted...yes, there were bloodstains on the white blanket. HMMM

 

[KoldKase]

Remember Mark Beckner's little Wolf lawsuit deposition? When Lin Wood all but tortured him with bamboo shoots under the fingernails trying to find out where that "DNA-X" came from and to whom it belonged? Maybe that is either the white blanket or the Barbie gown.

I can't "see" any blood on that gown, though, just shadows and some purple that I "think" is from the applique on the gown, probably a Barbie picture of some kind.

As for a doll, what I "think" I can see is a "shape" in the lowest, right side portion of the gown, which may or may not be what people are calling the "doll." If I blow up the photo to 400% using my simple click feature at the bottom right of my computer screen, however, I do seem to see some long "hair" sticking out from the middle of that pink gown...kind of single strands...or it could be fuzz...or just crap on my computer screen or glasses or maybe I have hair growing on my eyeballs, which would be fair as many hours as I've stared at this screen looking for it.

Anyhow, one other thing: the "black" blanket I believe is the "duvet" found in the suitcase in the basement. That's the one that actually did have semen on it, which Smit also said had fibers consistent with those found on the outer clothing of JB, hence his theory the "intruder" tried to stuff her in the suitcase; and it was JAR's semen, which may be why his name is listed here with a "bloodstain standard" test.

I have other "ideas" about that, but oh well....

 

[joeskidbeck]

koldkase, I've had quite a few ideas about that. Let's see..... a semen stained duvet and a Dr. Seuss book found in a suitcase in the very basement where JB was found.
I sincerely hope they checked more than JAR's alibi for that night.

 

[DeeDee249]

UK Guy


The BLACK BLANKET?
SEMEN??????

What, Where, Whose, is that?

The black blanket was a comforter/duvet that was found in the suitcase in the basement. It was identified by the Rs as belonging to JAR and was used in his college dorm room. JAR used that suitcase to go back and forth to his dorm, and his semen was found on that black blanket.

Before we get too excited about that evidence list, is that an OFFICIAL list? because at least one of those links comes from jamison's site.

 

[cynic]

Before we get too excited about that evidence list, is that an OFFICIAL list? because at least one of those links comes from jamison's site.

Believe me, I understand your skepticism, however, in this case I think the list is legit as it comes from screen caps of a 48 Hours Mystery telecast.

 

[cynic]

Bloodstain Standard from John Andrew Ramsey ??
where did they find that?

It is referring to a blood, or buccal/oral sample obtained from JAR for the purpose of obtaining a DNA reference standard that will be used by way of comparison to DNA profiles obtained from crime scene samples.

 

[MurriFlower]

MurriFlower,

I find it difficult to make out the either doll or blood stains. But the forensic evidence states the blood is there and both Patsy and Tom Haney can see a doll in the photograph, and I assume they are not both mistaken. If KoldKase had not mentioned the sibject I guess I would never have reviewed the evidence.

Screen Capture of the DNA lab report shown on the 48 Hours program


That there is a doll and a blood-stained barbie nightgown, in the wine-cellar, is for me, a game changer!



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There are those on this forum who stated they can see bloodstains on the pink nightgown and a Barbie doll in that new picture you posted of the blanket. I am just asking them to point out to me where these bloodstains/Barbie objects are that they reckon they can see, so I can see them for myself.

 

[joeskidbeck]

MF, I can see the hair of a Barbie sticking out of what I believe is a pink blanket (I could be wrong as it could possibly be the nightgown). The hair is blonde and you have to look very closely. You can also see a small portion on the doll's face. If I knew how to outline it, I would. It is toward the bottom of the pink thing and kinda to the right edge. It helps to turn your head a little to the right to make it out. I have never seen the blood, so I can't help with that.

ETA: If you just casually glance over the photo you will think the hair is part of the moldy stuff on the floor, but it's not. It's coming out of the blanket.

 

[MurriFlower]

Confusion again?He doesn't recognize the tape he took off?What's going on here.....

6 JOHN RAMSEY: -- 149, that was like
7 (INAUDIBLE) what looks like a big piece of duct
8 tape. That doesn't look like that tape I took off
9 JonBenet's mouth.
10 LOU SMIT: Okay. And why do you say that?
11 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, because as I recall,
12 it was black. It was like a little larger than
13 electrical tape in width. And it struck me, and as
14 I thought about it later, as the kind of tape you
15 might use in sailing to wrap around the stanchion
16 or something.
17 LOU SMIT: The black tape?
18 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah.
19 LOU SMIT: Have you used that type of
20 tape on (INAUDIBLE)?
21 JOHN RAMSEY: No, I didn't recognize it.
22 But in this picture, it looks like a piece of duct
23 tape. A big piece of duct tape. And that's not
24 what I remember.25 LOU SMIT: Okay. That's on photograph number --
0291
1 JOHN RAMSEY: 149. Cause it was like stuck
2 to the blanket almost in this picture.
3 LOU SMIT: What are you thinking?
4 JOHN RAMSEY: It's just hard to look at these,
5 that's all. Basically JonBenet was right here.
6 LOU SMIT: If you want to get off this,
7 we can?
8 JOHN RAMSEY: No, that's okay. Sorry.
9 LOU SMIT: You touched on something, you know,
10 and I was going to ask you about that tape later
11 on and the cord. But you mentioned that the tape
12 that you took off JonBenet, we're trying to
13 determine if in fact you could have been in
14 contact with that type of tape. And you mentioned
15 something about that's the type you seen on a
16 stanchion.
17 JOHN RAMSEY: Well it's just it wasn't
18 a tape that looked familiar to me, or it looked
19 like it wasn't torn, it was cut perfectly,
20 literally, that it fit her mouth. It was black, it
21 wider than electrical tape, but not as wide as
22 duct tape. I mean I know what duct tape is; it
23 wasn't duct tape.
24 Just thinking about it later, where do you get
25 this kind of tape? It's a little wider, and I've
0292
1 seen it in white before. It's kind of a utility
2 tape that you can use on a sailboat in boating.
3 LOU SMIT: Okay.




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this is a pic of the tape I found at FFJ.
doesn't look like black to me..........

:waitasec:

I maddy

Thanks for posting this picture of the tape.

Some time ago, I found a clearer picture of the blanket than on ACR and noticed that there was a piece of tape stuck to it. Here it is again, see the tape in the fold.

Anyway, I didn't think this looked like what was described as black gaffer tape, which some people reckoned was 2" x 2". It looked like grey tape and quite a bit longer. Remember JR said something like she had some tape on the blanket near where her legs were. He also said, as you have noted above maddy, that this tape did not look like that which was on her mouth.

I've enlarged the area where the tape is so it is easier to see the shape.

The tape (above) that was supposedly sticky side out looks as if it is the same shape as that stuck on the blanket. BUT to get it to resemble this shape, I had to mirror reverse it. So, I believe we are talking about the non-sticky side of the tape and it is definitely grey!!

So, JR was right, this is not the black tape from her mouth. Now we need to know what happened to the piece of black tape that was a little larger than electrical tape in width, because as cynic has shown us, this is 2" wide.

 

[joeskidbeck]

If you can go to this page of Forum for Justice, you will see that this is the exact same tape that John pulled from her mouth: Scroll down to almost halfway down the page:

[ame="http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=9867"]Miscellaneous - Forums For Justice[/ame]

This statement by John is just another of their outright lies to try and deny the evidence.

 

[joeskidbeck]

The tape appears to be grey on the blanket and it appears to be grey in the photo shown here. The end that appears to be folded over is the end that was in the blanket. I'm not following why anyone would think it was a different piece of tape. Someone please enlighten me. (other than John Ramsey's word for it). This certainly isn't the first time that an object either didn't look like what they saw or anything that was in their home. Bowl, tea glass, tissue box......

 

[Ames]

The tape appears to be grey on the blanket and it appears to be grey in the photo shown here. The end that appears to be folded over is the end that was in the blanket. I'm not following why anyone would think it was a different piece of tape. Someone please enlighten me. (other than John Ramsey's word for it). This certainly isn't the first time that an object either didn't look like what they saw or anything that was in their home. Bowl, tea glass, tissue box......

Exactly!! Just because John said it...certainly doesn't make it so. Just another case of him trying to distance themselves from the evidence. What about the flashlight....he tried to say that it wasn't his, because the color looked different.

 

[MurriFlower]

The tape appears to be grey on the blanket and it appears to be grey in the photo shown here. The end that appears to be folded over is the end that was in the blanket. I'm not following why anyone would think it was a different piece of tape. Someone please enlighten me. (other than John Ramsey's word for it). This certainly isn't the first time that an object either didn't look like what they saw or anything that was in their home. Bowl, tea glass, tissue box......

No, he isn't lying that I can see. He said the tape on her mouth was black and a bit thicker than electrical tape. He said there was other tape on 'her legs' (meaning on the blanket where her legs were). This is the tape just where he described it.

Now we need to know where the black tape from her mouth went.

 

[joeskidbeck]

No, he isn't lying that I can see. He said the tape on her mouth was black and a bit thicker than electrical tape. He said there was other tape on 'her legs' (meaning on the blanket where her legs were). This is the tape just where he described it.

Now we need to know where the black tape from her mouth went.

I don't believe he said there was tape on her legs. This appeared to me to be a typo in the transcription of the interview. There were several in that interview as well as the others. Some of them are so silly as to be laughable. I believe we have even determined that his so called remark of their being "lots of people there at 3 am" was a typo on the part of the transcriptionist. Anyway, if this is tape that was supposedly on her legs, he said himself that he removed the tape from her mouth and stuck it on the blanket, where is the tape? Do you believe that someone removed it? For what reason? I believe he is trying to place blame for this tape on Fleet White. By this time he had decided to throw Fleet and Priscilla under the bus and this was a prime oppotunity to mention the tape looking like what one would use on a boat. The thing about that is he also was a boater and what is to prevent us from thinking the tape belongs to him? Maybe he hid the original tape in his pocket to keep LE from seeing it and realizing the tape belonged to him. Either way, John Ramsey had a very good reason for denying this tape. He would have denied anything just to put suspicion on someone else. He may even be implying that LE is trying to frame him with this tape.