What's missing for Prosecution?

[gitana1]

I wonder how many people who think the state has NOT met its burden of proof in any way would feel much differently were it caylee's father accused and not her mother.

In the beginning of this case, there was a whole thread about casey being innocent. Despite a supposedly loving mother failing to report her child missing, actively hiding the child's whereabouts from family and friends for 31 days and actually trying to fool LE, lying to them and sending them on a wild goose chase, the purpose of which was to lead away from Caylee, there was a significant minority on here that could not believe a mother could kill her child.

In fact, I have seen that sentiment echoed here not too long ago: "I don't believe a mother could kill her child." People still feel that way even though mothers killing their kids are so common throughout history that a famous, ancient Greek myth - Medea - exists about just that: A mom killing her kids (in that case, for a guy).

I compare this case to the one of little Shaniya Davis. Her father had nothing to do with her murder. The little girl was not even in his custody when Shaniya went missing and was raped and murdered. And yet, I have almost seen more venom and anger against Shaniya's father and blame pointed his way than I have against casey or towards casey in this case.

 

[krkrjx]

I do not think the prosecution has played all their cards yet. I think they laid down as much as they needed to in their CIC to prove their case but they no doubt have some zingers ready and waiting that will bring it all home. I feel that by the time the jury gets this case for deliberation there will be no doubt in any of their minds.

Consider all that the state has that has not come out yet. Some is really telling stuff that I do not think they have now decided not to use...nope, I believe the state's closing will be as powerful as their opening, perhaps moreso!

 

[The Farm]

:handon't forget: There are still rebuttal witnesses and closing arguments to tie together all the "missing" pieces!

That is what I am hope. I felt that is just needed a little more, don't get me wrong,they did present a good case.
I would like the jury to see all Casey's party pictures during that time, cell phone pings, the stain in the trunk.

 

[Peepers]

I think the state needed to discuss the chloroform more...where did she get it and in the searches of the house did they find the ingredients or anything to make chloroform. They haven't tied the chloroform to ICA. the other big thing for me is the fight between Cindy and ICA the day before they left. When Cindy testified she says after swimming, her and Casey put her Dads videos on the computer and they watched them and cried together. Now was this before the fight, after the fight, or was there no fight? Its kind of a big deal. Why didnt the state ask about the fight?

 

[JusticeSeeker1960]

Since the beginning the duct tape and postioning has been a curiousity for me. I was not really sure about what role the duct tape took..and to this day I cannot make up my mind if it was placed peri mortem or post mortem..but I do believe it was placed there prior to major decomposition, and in my mind, the SA has proven that it was... Obviously there are others like yourself that are not convinced... I think that is what is RIGHT about our jury system of justice...folks of all opinions and mindset. But then again, we all know so much more about this case than the jurors hopefully.

As young (small) as she was, a piece of duct tape that measures 6-8 inches long x3, would be plenty enough to stop any air flow whatsoever....wouldn't have to be wrapped around the head. It was enough to keep the mandible in place, that's enough for me!

 

[Previous Admonitions]

I think the state needed to discuss the chloroform more...where did she get it and in the searches of the house did they find the ingredients or anything to make chloroform. They haven't tied the chloroform to ICA. the other big thing for me is the fight between Cindy and ICA the day before they left. When Cindy testified she says after swimming, her and Casey put her Dads videos on the computer and they watched them and cried together. Now was this before the fight, after the fight, or was there no fight? Its kind of a big deal. Why didnt the state ask about the fight?

It's my understanding that none of the involved parties ever admitted to any big fight during depositions/investigation. Any "evidence" of the fight would have been hearsay. LDB I think tried to give CA an opportunity to talk about it under direct examination, she asked something like, "Did anything significant happen that night of the 15th?" .... which prompted CA's story about the special mother/daughter/granddaughter bonding time watching the video or whatever.

 

[Melly53]

I really think that the prosecution should have put Roy Kronk on the stand to get his story on the record instead of leaving it for the defense who is going to try and twist it six different ways from Sunday and smear his character. I am worried that the jury is going to think that the prosecution intentionally tried to hide the testimony of Roy Kronk which could introduce a doubt in some jurors mind. IMO

 

[krisskross]

Casey had something like 1600 pics between photobucket, myspace, facebook, etc. online. I forget the exact date but she deleted the ones of Caylee right away.

I was referring to photos the State introduced that are relevant to the charges/timeline on her endictment. IIRC they had to show relevance for the Fusian pics. :waitasec:

 

[evergreen]

I wonder how many people who think the state has NOT met its burden of proof in any way would feel much differently were it caylee's father accused and not her mother.

doesn't matter. the state left the door open for reasonable doubt. I am in no way fascinated by the "mother". I go way back to OJ. that case was open and shut and he walked. Juries do funny things All the time. I believe this one will too.

 

[FX Wiz]

what did they miss? an airtight case. there is so much room for "reasonable doubt" in this case.

No doubt, it's been proven the child was a victim of homicide.
No doubt, it's been proven an adult who had full access to that house commited it.
No doubt, it's been proven GA, CA, LA, and all associated except KC have airtight alibis and have been forthright and cooperative.
No doubt, it's been proven the child was in the care of KC on the afternoon of June 16, 2008 when she "disappeared".
No doubt, it's been proven KC is the only person who lied like crazy to cover up the crime.
So... pick a suspect. Think hard now. Because SOMEBODY did it dammit. The child didn't kill herself. A ghost didn't do it. The flying saucer & alien abduction theory won't work either because it's not reasonable.
Caylee deserves better than some outlandish fantastical conspiracy theory bull*****. So nobody will be responsible? C'mon man, the answer is staring you in the face!

 

[Baznme]

No doubt, it's been proven the child was a victim of homicide.
No doubt, it's been proven an adult who had full access to that house commited it.
No doubt, it's been proven GA, CA, LA, and all associated except KC have airtight alibis and have been forthright and cooperative.
No doubt, it's been proven the child was in the care of KC on the afternoon of June 16, 2008 when she "disappeared".
No doubt, it's been proven KC is the only person who lied like crazy to cover up the crime.
So... pick a suspect. Think hard now. Because SOMEBODY did it dammit. The child didn't kill herself. A ghost didn't do it. The flying saucer & alien abduction theory won't work either because it's not reasonable.
Caylee deserves better than some outlandish fantastical conspiracy theory bull*****. So nobody will be responsible? C'mon man, the answer is staring you in the face!

THAT would make one he!! of a closing statement!

 

[GeekyGirl]

THAT would make one he!! of a closing statement!

Except it doesn't address the issue of whether the death was the result of a criminal act vs. a negligent one, which the state is required to prove in order to get a murder conviction vs. a manslaughter conviction. I haven't heard many people say they don't think Casey is culpable for the death, but there are people who question her level of responsibility.

 

[FX Wiz]

Except it doesn't address the issue of whether the death was the result of a criminal act vs. a negligent one, which the state is required to prove in order to get a murder conviction vs. a manslaughter conviction. I haven't heard many people say they don't think Casey is culpable for the death, but there are people who question her level of responsibility.

I agree. The state may fail to send KC to death by lethal injection. But it's obvious she should be held responsible for what happened to Caylee and if Caylee suffered before death, then KC should suffer in jail for the rest of her life. (there's multiple counts against her besides the 1st degree charge).

 

[GeekyGirl]

I agree. The state may fail to send KC to death by lethal injection. But it's obvious she should be held responsible for what happened to Caylee and if Caylee suffered before death, then KC should suffer in jail for the rest of her life. (there's multiple counts against her besides the 1st degree charge).

That I can certainly agree with.

 

[Lera213]

My answer to the OP to the question is; "A Guilty Verdict" (period)

 

[Just Jayla]

There is something, but I can't put my finger on it-It's the same thing that has kept me interested for three years, some answer out there that I never got. Logically, I think I have all the answers I need, but I think it's about that moment...the moment she killed her. I think I want to know exactly when, where, the second-by-second. I dunno, it's as if I think I could go back and stop it if I knew how it all went down. Of course, I cannot, and Caylee is gone-But maybe we (collectively) can stop the next murder of such a beautiful, unforgettable baby if we knew.
It's an answer no one but KC can give us, and that infuriates me....hey! Maybe that's what's missing...I want the state to make the jury angry with Casey that she will not spill. It might not be fair, but it's what I would like the jury to feel, the way many of us have for the past three years...angry and possessive of Caylee-that Caylee was theirs and ours and will be so missed for what she could have been to us all. President Caylee Marie Anthony, General Anthony, Oscar winning Caylee Marie, Dr. Caylee M. Anthony....I want the state to, in penalty phase at least, remind the jury of all that Caylee could have been.

 

[Lera213]

Just Jayla,

Sorry to say but nobody will ever get the truth of those questions you have. Only two do and one is a precious child who died, the other is her lying murderous Mother.

You also have to remember many jurors heard a lot about the trial and I suspect a few knew more than they stated. If you followed this case from day one, read the document dumps as they came out, watched all the hearings, and you formed an opinion of how much you have disdain for ICA the Jury will to by the end of the trial.

A few even stated when asked "Do you want to be a juror on this Case"? the answer by a few were "yes because I want to know the truth in what happened"

They won't get that answer, so guess what, they will feel probably like you are right now.

 

[MaryB]

I do not think the prosecution has played all their cards yet. I think they laid down as much as they needed to in their CIC to prove their case but they no doubt have some zingers ready and waiting that will bring it all home. I feel that by the time the jury gets this case for deliberation there will be no doubt in any of their minds.

Consider all that the state has that has not come out yet. Some is really telling stuff that I do not think they have now decided not to use...nope, I believe the state's closing will be as powerful as their opening, perhaps moreso!

Completely agree. I think the few minutes of LDB and JA cross impacted the jury far more than JB droning on and on. It packed a huge punch and left the last word. I know the CA & GA phone records and other evidence will be brought in. Can't wait.

 

[aeneas1]

doesn't matter. the state left the door open for reasonable doubt. I am in no way fascinated by the "mother". I go way back to OJ. that case was open and shut and he walked. Juries do funny things All the time. I believe this one will too.

whenever someone compares the anthony case to the oj case i'm forced to conclude that they either didn't follow the oj case or that they simply didn't understand the unique dynamics of that case. in short, these two cases just aren't comparable.

as far as the state leaving the door open for reasonable doubt is concerned, which could lead to casey walking as in the oj case no less, well i think this is a huge reach, especially when one considers that there's a definitive difference between "doubt" and "reasonable doubt".

Beyond A Reasonable Doubt: The standard that must be met by the prosecution's evidence in a criminal prosecution: that no other logical explanation can be derived from the facts except that the defendant committed the crime, thereby overcoming the presumption that a person is innocent until proven guilty. If the jurors or judge have no doubt as to the defendant's guilt, or if their only doubts are unreasonable doubts, then the prosecutor has proven the defendant's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt and the defendant should be pronounced guilty. The term connotes that evidence establishes a particular point to a moral certainty and that it is beyond dispute that any reasonable alternative is possible. It does not mean that no doubt exists as to the accused's guilt, but only that no Reasonable Doubt is possible from the evidence presented.

 

[erinleigh]

I wish the State would introduce every cell call, text, ping and computer uploads from Casey for the 16th to help the jury follow her for that day. They need to paint a clearer picture of every trackable movement and conversation she had that day. I feel it would go a long way for the jury to have this information since this is the day Casey claims Caylee drowned in the pool in the morning err afternoon...no in the early morning.