When Baez paid the bank back wasn't that tantamount to pleading guilty?

[logicalgirl]

If I was to lend someone my car, I would assume that means the car the spare tire in the trunk, the tire iron and yes the checkbook in the glove box. So, I would not leave my checkbook in the glove box. I think the state will need Amy's help in pursueing this. Otherwise , Casey could just say, yes, she lent me her car with the checkbook in it.

If I were Amy (since I did not suffer a loss here), I would stay away from this whole thing. I would not want to feel responsible for Casey's death.

(With respect) So if you have a guest staying at your home, that person is welcome to go through your personal items, take any money lying around, credit cards, bank account numbers etc., is that what you are saying? If if works to someone you lend your car, it is also true for everything I guess.

 

[mydailyopinions]

If Amy ends up on the stand under cross examination, her entire personal life will be brought out. Is she not also in those party pics with Casey? There is no way this could possibly be good for Amy. I can not believe the SA is going to do this. This should wait until after the murder trial. If the defense has no choice but to fight here, it is going to get very ugly. I can not even imagine that the state would allow Amy to go through this. Thats right, if you accuse someone of something in this country, that person has the right to face you in a court of law. IMO

As long as Amy doesn't have a 2 year old child out there who has been missing for 31 days, and in the meanwhile she is out partying and cooking for her boytoys...I don't see where anything personal can harm her in the least bit.
She can be in the photos, but can also be proud to say #1. She is grown..#2. She has herself to take care of, not a child, so she has every single right in this world to go out and party till the sun comes up.
Amy cannot punish Casey herself for what she has done to Caylee, but the one thing she can do for Caylee is stand behind her right as a citizen to not allow Casey to get away with stealing from her.
Amy will face her and for the love of Caylee she will be strong.. wait and see..

 

[HRCODEPINK]

Who is it still pressing charges over the $700 in checks (that was already repaid), the bank, AH, or just the state? Weird. If it is AH, if I were her family I would sure be telling her not to let lawyers talk her into pursuing that further, just more time and stress for her, keeps her name in the public eye (which she claims she doesn't want) and for what? To get what?

Amy may have no choice, and banks usually don't take these things lightly, especially with someone who is not a customer. I don't know what the laws are in FL, and being that it was a check and the dollar amount, they may be federal laws, I don't know, but I do know that normally when something like this happens to your bank account, the bank will usually make good on it for you, but you must agree to prosecute. They won't make good if you don't. Otherwise people would have their friends "steal" from their accounts all the time. If you don't want to prosecute, then you are welcome to sue the people and hope you get your money back. If I were Amy I wouldn't care who was going to say what about me and I would prosecute anyway. Not to mention with something as open and shut as this one, I don't see how her private life matters, especially since it is very provable that she wasn't in the country when it happened.

Notthatsmart, as to your post that said something about loaning her the car with the checkbook in it goes, no disrespect, just curious, I missed it I guess when I tried to multiquote:

I go to work during the day and since I work in retail, I don't bring money to work of any kind. If I had a friend come into town and stay with me, when I leave for work, in your opinion, would it be wrong of me to assume that I could leave for work and not take my check book with me and expect to come home and have had them not use it, or would inviting them to stay in my home when they were visiting also be an invitation to clean out my bank account while I was at work because leaving my checkbook at home in a drawer constitutes permission to use it? I swear I am not being snarky, I just want to know your thoughts on this.

 

[HRCODEPINK]

(With respect) So if you have a guest staying at your home, that person is welcome to go through your personal items, take any money lying around, credit cards, bank account numbers etc., is that what you are saying? If if works to someone you lend your car, it is also true for everything I guess.

ROFL! I like the way you're thinking!

 

[kaRN]

I wonder what Casey's demeanor is going to be like next time at the hearing, now that she knows she is going to be facing a prison sentence , for sure, in the check fraud case. The reality is setting in.

We'll soon get to see!!! Petulance is my guess, she does that one so well.

 

[logicalgirl]

Amy may have no choice, and banks usually don't take these things lightly, especially with someone who is not a customer. I don't know what the laws are in FL, and being that it was a check and the dollar amount, they may be federal laws, I don't know, but I do know that normally when something like this happens to your bank account, the bank will usually make good on it for you, but you must agree to prosecute. They won't make good if you don't. Otherwise people would have their friends "steal" from their accounts all the time. If you don't want to prosecute, then you are welcome to sue the people and hope you get your money back. If I were Amy I wouldn't care who was going to say what about me and I would prosecute anyway. Not to mention with something as open and shut as this one, I don't see how her private life matters, especially since it is very provable that she wasn't in the country when it happened.

Notthatsmart, as to your post that said something about loaning her the car with the checkbook in it goes, no disrespect, just curious, I missed it I guess when I tried to multiquote:

I go to work during the day and since I work in retail, I don't bring money to work of any kind. If I had a friend come into town and stay with me, when I leave for work, in your opinion, would it be wrong of me to assume that I could leave for work and not take my check book with me and expect to come home and have had them not use it, or would inviting them to stay in my home when they were visiting also be an invitation to clean out my bank account while I was at work because leaving my checkbook at home in a drawer constitutes permission to use it? I swear I am not being snarky, I just want to know your thoughts on this.

Exactly! If this person was our friend, we would trust they would respect our friendship and our trust in them. So maybe they may peek into the medicine cabinet or check out my makeup, but beyond that? If we expect less, either we have a big problem and need a wall safe, or this person is not our friend.

 

[TorisMom003]

If Amy ends up on the stand under cross examination, her entire personal life will be brought out. Is she not also in those party pics with Casey? There is no way this could possibly be good for Amy. I can not believe the SA is going to do this. This should wait until after the murder trial. If the defense has no choice but to fight here, it is going to get very ugly. I can not even imagine that the state would allow Amy to go through this. Thats right, if you accuse someone of something in this country, that person has the right to face you in a court of law. IMO

Then the charges against Casey, all of them, should be dropped. After all, any witness that steps foot on the stand is going to be under cross. Their lives will be put on display. So by your way of thinking we should never go after any criminals at all since it would do more damage than good for the witnesses called. Sure, that makes alot of sense. Just imagine how wonderful everything would be. No witnesses having to worry about their reputation being smeared, criminals running wild through the streets knowing they will face no charges, no one ever having to be held responsible for their criminal activities again! Unless of course this only applies to Miss Anthony and everyone else should have their day in court. Sometimes I really do question the thought process of some people and have to wonder if I am the one that is insane instead.

 

[notthatsmart]

Amy is not a witness in the check fraud case. She is the actual victim. She will charge Casey with this crime and she will come under cross examination. This is not the murder trial, this is the Check fraud trial. This is not my system. This is our system. Correct?

I feel bad for Amy. She is going to get dragged through the mud and it does not have to happen. This is my opinion only

 

[AZlawyer]

Amy is not a witness in the check fraud case. She is the actual victim. She will charge Casey with this crime and she will come under cross examination. This is not the murder trial, this is the Check fraud trial. This is not my system. This is our system. Correct?

I feel bad for Amy. She is going to get dragged through the mud and it does not have to happen. This is my opinion only

She is the victim and a witness as well. She is not charging Casey with anything; the State of Florida is charging her.

And if the judge allows Amy to be dragged through the mud in the check fraud case I will be completely shocked. What would be the relevance of any possible "mud" about Amy???

 

[Pondering Mind]

Sounds more like a recognition that perhaps without Amy, KC would be acquitted, and a related desire - perhaps even pressure - that Amy not show up to effect that.

I was thinking the same thing when I read your post BeanE...not a statement to be taken lightly either imho...:snooty:..extremely bothersome..

 

[The World According]

In the name of Justice??

This is a check fraud case. It would not be worth it for Amy. If Casey died, Amy could feel guilt later in her life that she may have played a part in all of this. It is easy to say sitting on the outside. If I were her parent, I would say stay as far away from this as you can. You do not need that holding over your head. Justice was not meant to mess up a victims life. If Casey is guilty of Murder one in the first degree, it will stand up on its own, it does not need a silly check fraud case to drive it home. Imo

No, no and NO! It is my opinion Amy and Jesse cannot wait for the trial and their parents stand with them, beside them, in front of them wanting the same!!!! Amy will never feel guilty over what punishment Casey gets for Casey's crimes. The only ones feeling guilty are mom and pop for the monster they created. Amber doesn't feel guilty about Scott's punishment. It would be like asking a jury member to feel like they are making a child an orphan to put the parent that murdered the other to death. Amy is not intimidated by the shenanigans of the Anthonys and we wont have to worry about the State not having her cooperation, THEY HAVE IT!! Where did you get the idea they did not? Her murder trial aside, she has to go to jail for what she did to Amy. You can bet all the money in your pockets that she is going to get the maximum penalty allowed by law in that case and she will be a convicted FELON when her murder trial ensues. The crimes are on video tape. What more does one need? ( just my guess)

I am not a lawyer or judge, but I have been on several juries and I can ASSURE YOU, THE JUDGE SHUT THE DEFENSE DOWN, MID SENTENCE WHEN THE PROSECUTION OBJECTED TO THE DEFENSE TRYING TO SMEAR A WITNESS. If it is not relevant to these crimes caught on tape, or to impeach a sworn statement she has made in this case, they are not going to be allowed to bring up any of Amy's past. If she had been convicted of a crime of dishonesty , maybe they could ask her that, but guess what , the kid has not. I trust that you mean well, but thank goodness you are way off base on your basic premise here. Amy will be well prepared. The reason that the defense does so much mud slinging in the media is because they KNOW they will NOT be permitted to do this at the trial, so they try to taint the jury pool now. It is dirty pool, but trust me what you are suggesting just is not going to happen to Amy. She will be fine. They have already came out and said she is possibly Zanny and a heroin addict, so what worse can they possibly throw at her? Guess what, the kid is still standing, with her head high.

 

[RR0004]

BBM

Not to mention the fact that CA stated to LE that she thought Zanny was either AH or JG. How awful would it be to hear the grandmother of an alledged kidnapped child telling the police that they think you might be the kidnapper? Reprehensible!

The same woman who was prepared to have her daughter arrested for "stealing" her car.

 

[RR0004]

Amy is not a witness in the check fraud case. She is the actual victim. She will charge Casey with this crime and she will come under cross examination. This is not the murder trial, this is the Check fraud trial. This is not my system. This is our system. Correct?

I feel bad for Amy. She is going to get dragged through the mud and it does not have to happen. This is my opinion only

What mud?

 

[Pondering Mind]

Amy is not a witness in the check fraud case. She is the actual victim. She will charge Casey with this crime and she will come under cross examination. This is not the murder trial, this is the Check fraud trial. This is not my system. This is our system. Correct?

I feel bad for Amy. She is going to get dragged through the mud and it does not have to happen. This is my opinion only

Amy has already been dragged through the mud, had her life turned upside, had fingers pointed in her direction...you name it. All because she had the unfortunate luck to cross paths in life and befriend KC.
Her life will NEVER be the same no matter what happens from here on out and thru NO fault of her own. She is already another casualty of KC, sooo if I were her I'd be PIZZED and ready for a little payback after the betrayal that KC bestowed upon her, wouldn't ya think?... My Opinion Only..

 

[Pondering Mind]

No, no and NO! It is my opinion by Amy and Jesse cannot wait for the trial and their parents stand with them, beside them, in front of them wanting the same!!!! Amy will never feel guilty over what punishment Casey gets for Casey's crimes. The only ones feeling guilty are mom and pop for the monster they created. Amber doesn't feel guilty about Scott's punishment. It would be like asking a jury member to feel like they are making a child an orphan to put the parent that murdered the other to death. Amy is not intimidated by the shenanigans of the Anthonys and we wont have to worry about the State not having her cooperation, THEY HAVE IT!! Where did you get the idea they did not? Her murder trial aside, she has to go to jail for what she did to Amy. You can bet all the money in your pockets that she is going to get the maximum penalty allowed by law in that case and she will be a convicted FELON when her murder trial ensues. The crimes are on video tape. What more does one need? ( just my guess)

I am not a lawyer or judge, but I have been on several juries and I can ASSURE YOU, THE JUDGE SHUT THE DEFENSE DOWN, MID SENTENCE WHEN THE PROSECUTION OBJECTED TO THE DEFENSE TRYING TO SMEAR A WITNESS. If it is not relevant to these crimes caught on tape, or to impeach a sworn statement she has made in this case, they are not going to be allowed to bring up any of Amy's past. If she had been convicted of a crime of dishonesty , maybe they could ask her that, but guess what , the kid has not. I trust that you mean well, but thank goodness you are way off base on your basic premise here. Amy will be well prepared. The reason that the defense does so much mud slinging in the media is because they KNOW they will NOT be permitted to do this at the trial, so they try to taint the jury pool now. It is dirty pool, but trust me what you are suggesting just is not going to happen to Amy. She will be fine. They have already came out and said she is possibly Zanny and a heroin addict, so what worse can they possibly throw at her? Guess what, the kid is still standing, with her head high.

AMEN sistah!

 

[RR0004]

No, I don’t even know what the 3 strike rule is. I do know that many years ago, when a criminal in South Dakota (where I was residing at the time), convicted of his 3rd felony was given a habitual criminal charge automatically and given a 5 year sentence to be served after the sentence for the third felony conviction was served, and so he was ineligible for any type of parole. These felony charges had to be violent in nature, as in armed robbery, or assault with a deadly weapon etc. If this is what the 3 strike rule is, yes I am all for it.
Would the 3rd Strike Rule apply if KC were convicted of 4 counts of felony fraud or 13 counts? What is the 3rd strike rule?

Not to take this off topic...but it could also be for drug possession.

 

[RR0004]

Bold 1: I agree, so therefore really the murder trial should be first. That is her first offense. Imo

...except that the victim here, Amy, is entitled to a speedy trial...so the law wins again.

 

[notthatsmart]

She is the victim and a witness as well. She is not charging Casey with anything; the State of Florida is charging her.

And if the judge allows Amy to be dragged through the mud in the check fraud case I will be completely shocked. What would be the relevance of any possible "mud" about Amy???

Are you saying that the state will make the charge without bringing in AH?

And if they do bring in AH, won't Kc be able to cross examine AH?

Hypothetically speaking: What if AH owes Kc money? What if AH has allowed Kc to use her check book in the past?

I am not a Lawyer, but I do know that we are allowed to face our accuser in this country.

I still think that Kc will plea on this, but if this is not possible, then she will fight tooth and nail. I hope Kc does not have any dirt on AH.

I really hope that AH will get some practice cross examination so she knows what she is getting into here. I have a feeling that the SA is just using her. This is just my opinion and I am not here to cause trouble. I am here to learn. Is it your opinion that none of this can happen?

 

[mydailyopinions]

Amy is not a witness in the check fraud case. She is the actual victim. She will charge Casey with this crime and she will come under cross examination. This is not the murder trial, this is the Check fraud trial. This is not my system. This is our system. Correct?

I feel bad for Amy. She is going to get dragged through the mud and it does not have to happen. This is my opinion only

Who knows? Amy could be the most outstanding citizen in Orlando, we don't know if she has any dark secrets or not. Casey herself wanted Amy to know she was sorry. This tells me that even Casey knows that Amy is a good person.
I just don't understand what kind of mud she can be drug through at this point..I mean, gee...her best friend stole from her, lied to her and killed a precious child....can a person really be subjected to anything worse?
What in your mind can the defense cross examine her about that would make her feel drawn through the mud at this point?
Too, might I add, that not everyone is intimidated by anyone representing Casey. If it were my money, I'd be just as vicious as the defense thinks they can be. Amy just may be sitting on pins and needles waiting to face her in court. She may want this to go down just as bad as many here..

 

[RR0004]

If Amy ends up on the stand under cross examination, her entire personal life will be brought out. Is she not also in those party pics with Casey? There is no way this could possibly be good for Amy. I can not believe the SA is going to do this. This should wait until after the murder trial. If the defense has no choice but to fight here, it is going to get very ugly. I can not even imagine that the state would allow Amy to go through this. Thats right, if you accuse someone of something in this country, that person has the right to face you in a court of law. IMO

...and if someone doesn't object due to relevance than they're not worth beans in the courtroom.