When JB & AL disagree....which one will flee?

[gibby207]

Yep...total ((crickets chirping)) and awkward pause after that dumb utterance of his. That was entirely the wrong time, place and setting for that remark!!

KC sure thought it was funny... but I don't think she knows why... lol

 

[RainyGirl]

I don't have a time because I had taped it on Tru TV - commercials and all. But it occurred a few minutes before Casey made her statement. The judge and attorneys were struggling with the probation terms, etc. It was while Casey and her attorneys were standing at the podium. Hope this helps.

FOUND A YOU TUBE LINK FOR YOU - START WATCHING AT THE 45 SECOND MARK. ALTHOUGH IT IS BETTER TO SEE IN SLOW MOTION, YOU CAN GET A GENERAL IDEA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKIVc2VLZFI

LMAO!! The person taping this said "He's an IDIOT" right after Baez made his stupid reasonable bond remark. Right on!!!! I agree!

 

[mitzi]

If anyone noticed, during the hearing JB made a lame joke about a reasonable bond solving the problem. AL's head spun to the left, locking eyes with the attorney standing behind JB. She looked incredulous that he would make such a stupid joke. The other attorney took her by the arm to whisper something to her. I thought she wanted to belt JB.

If you taped the hearing, go back and play in slo mo the little scenario when JB made the comment. I was cracking up. JB's little "joke" fell flatter than a pancake under a steamroller.

If you watch the actual hearing, you can hear this much more clearly, but Jose says:

"We could solve this issue with a reasonable bond."

The Jose says something to KC and grins, and then KC says,

"He should". and smiles coyly. Blech! They are still playing their little flirty games with each other.:sick:

 

[kaRN]

Thanks for that JBean - I don't think I ever really understood that lawyers just can't quit. ( I guess if you can't quit you could just provoke the heck out of your client until they fired you)

Just guessing by the way Lyons looks at Baez, and by how much control she seems to have (note the no comment media stuff - etc) But he needs her because he can't go into a death penalty case without her or someone like her. So he's between a rock and a hard place.

I see AL as somewhat trapped. I don't believe she has any control over JB or else he would pass the cameras with a no comment too.
I watched her while JB fumbled and bumbled about equality of justice, trying to figure out what she might be thinking. Certainly it must scare her to be going into this huge case with such a neophite.

 

[kaRN]

here is a pretty general overview:
In addition to these reasons, which may have exceptions, if the attorney is not key to the defense i think they can leave without much trouble.
When an Attorney Must or May Withdraw Mid-Case

Lawyers.comsm



As the client, you have an almost absolute right to hire and fire your attorneys for any reason you choose (or for no reason whatsoever). Your attorney, on the other hand, cannot "fire" you as a client at whim; he must have a valid reason. The exact rules that govern attorneys vary from state to state, but in general, an attorney is required to withdraw from a case in the following situations:

• If, by representing the client, the lawyer will be violating the law or the rules of professional conduct (such as if the lawyer is suspended from practicing law by the local attorney disciplinary committee).
• If the lawyer is physically or mentally incapable of representing the client.
• If the client terminates his relationship with the attorney.

Otherwise, an attorney may withdraw from a case only for valid reasons, and only if it is shown that the client's interests won't be adversely effected. Valid reasons include:

• Conflicts of interest: Attorneys and their firms are not permitted to represent people or companies that are adversaries. In some circumstances, the lawyer may ask for permission (called a conflict waiver) from each party acknowledging the conflict and allowing the attorney to represent both of each. If, after the attorney has agreed to represent you, he learns that he or his firm also represents another person or company that is your adversary, and if the attorney can't get a conflict waiver from both you and your adversary, then the lawyer must stop representing you.
• Client consent: If you give your attorney permission to withdraw from the case, then the attorney can stop representing you.
• Differing case strategies: Sometimes lawyer and client won't agree on the best approach for handling a case. If you and your attorney are unable to reach agreement, then the attorney should withdraw.
• A client's failure to cooperate, communicate, or fulfill obligations: In order for an attorney to provide quality service to his client, there needs to be regular communication and interaction between the attorney and client. Your attorney may need you to answer questions, provide documentation and otherwise assist him so that he can give the service that you need and deserve. If, as a client, you fail to respond to your attorney's legitimate requests, then he cannot provide you with quality representation, and may be permitted to withdraw from your case.
• Personality conflicts: It's human nature that sometimes people just can't get along with one another. Your attorney is supposed to be your best advocate, but if there's a conflict of personalities, it may be impossible for your attorney to give you the best representation possible.
• A client's failure to pay attorneys fees: As the client, you may have signed a contract when you hired your attorney, and that contract probably outlined the anticipated cost of your legal work, and your obligation to pay your attorney. You are hiring an attorney to perform a service, and if you fail to pay for those services, then the attorney usually has the right to stop working on your behalf. (This is true even if you don't have a signed contract.)
• A client's unethical, fraudulent, or criminal activity: Your lawyer is bound by certain professional and ethical obligations. As part of those obligations, your lawyer cannot help you commit unethical, fraudulent or criminal activities. If your attorney tells you that you're trying to do something illegal and you don't take his advice, the attorney can stop representing you.

http://research.lawyers.com/When-an-Attorney-Must-or-May-Withdraw-Mid-Case.html

Above highlighted by me. That is very interesting in light of all the mystery surrounding how the defense is getting paid and the word Indigent being mentioned at trial.

 

[littlemisslegal]

i just have this image of JUDGE JUDY OF TV FAME., being in charge of the courtroom. her famous quotes she would be saying since day one of hearings. omg- the calm manner of the fantastic judge strickland is a blessing to the hearings. can you imagine someone like judge judy hearing some of this? now she would be creating some new quotes- more than do not pee on my leg and tell me its raining!

wonder if casey feels andrea is motherly to her and jose is her buddy. nice if it works because both are so different in personalitys. can casey relate to both as they are so opposite in so many things ? i do not think either will let each others differences affect the case in a power struggle in court- behind closed doors who knows. to be a fly on the wall after some hearings perhaps would be an ear full i bet.

 

[kaRN]

Yep...total ((crickets chirping)) and awkward pause after that dumb utterance of his. That was entirely the wrong time, place and setting for that remark!!

After AL pulls him away, he sure comes back with the smirk wiped off his face. Is he blushing?

 

[Horace Finklestein]

When JB & AL disagree....which one will flee?
Could this be a moot point if no one is paying for KC's defense, as in could they both flee?
I don't picture either one of them there for anything but the money they thought they could make off this case. JMO.

That's exactly what I've been wondering. Here are my thoughts -I could see Andrea Lyon being able to stay on for little or no money. I get the impression she is probably fairly well off financially and has the teaching job/cynical hawking of her book, etc.

However, I do not understand how Jose is able to carry on. Casey was spending 30+ hours in his office for weeks, he's 'hired' students, experts, etc. Surely there is limitation to how much he can spend. His client is supposedly 'indigent' and yet she has a TEAM of lawyers defending her. Shouldn't this be investigated? We need a lot more disclosure in the legal system this is disgusting.

 

[wenwe4]

That's exactly what I've been wondering. Here are my thoughts -I could see Andrea Lyon being able to stay on for little or no money. I get the impression she is probably fairly well off financially and has the teaching job/cynical hawking of her book, etc.

However, I do not understand how Jose is able to carry on. Casey was spending 30+ hours in his office for weeks, he's 'hired' students, experts, etc. Surely there is limitation to how much he can spend. His client is supposedly 'indigent' and yet she has a TEAM of lawyers defending her. Shouldn't this be investigated? We need a lot more disclosure in the legal system this is disgusting.

AL made previous statements that she has interns and law students working on this case for her (free). Did anyone notice KC shook her head no when the JS asked if she needed an atty appointed because she could not afford one? Immediately after her statement?

 

[Aedrys]

I've also noticed that all of those high powered experts have pretty much vanished from this case. I'm not sure if they aren't working for the defense team anymore because money ran out, or they don't want to be connected to a sinking ship going down in flames. I can't imagine they can even be retained if AL wants Casey to be declared indigent. They certainly don't get mentioned at ALL anymore, which looks bad to me. If AL and JB is all she has left, oh and some law students, things REALLY don't look good for her.

Not that that upsets me in the least. If she's that oblivious or stupidly thinks JB and AL alone can get her out of this, then the more likely it is that she's going down, and that's all I care about. I still can't get over that she's happy with her defense. She really lives in some other reality where she still thinks she's walking from this. *shakes head*

And you can definitely tell tell her own defense is not happy with her. I think if they if there was a chance they could leave, they would. I think they're both trapped, however, JB because he's been there from the beginning, and AL because of her crusade to do away with the DP.

 

[autumnlover]

JB won't leave this case until the last television camera on the face of the earth runs out of film.

 

[seagull65]

Good question, thanks for the thread. If a disagreement arose I think JB might defer to AL due to her experience with death penalty cases, or I guess maybe Casey would choose between them?