Where are the 20,000+ UID cases not yet in NAMUS?!

HopeRains

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I've been doing this work for more than 2 decades now. For as long as I can remember, and even in googling on it today, the estimate on UIDs is still publicized at somewhere around 40,000 with approximately 5,000 child cases. Looking at Namus today, the number is 15,419 which includes 1,243 in the Adult-Pre 20 category or younger.

Of the 15, 419 currently in Namus, the following 4 states make up roughly 65% of the total, each with > 2,000: California, New York, Texas, Arizona.

There is no doubt that the numbers of entered Namus cases continues to rise regularly, I believe they initially started with only a couple of thousand. Having said that though, there are thousands yet to be entered.
 
  • #2
I've been doing this work for more than 2 decades now. For as long as I can remember, and even in googling on it today, the estimate on UIDs is still publicized at somewhere around 40,000 with approximately 5,000 child cases. Looking at Namus today, the number is 15,419 which includes 1,243 in the Adult-Pre 20 category or younger.

Of the 15, 419 currently in Namus, the following 4 states make up roughly 65% of the total, each with > 2,000: California, New York, Texas, Arizona.

There is no doubt that the numbers of entered Namus cases continues to rise regularly, I believe they initially started with only a couple of thousand. Having said that though, there are thousands yet to be entered.
New Mexico added 50 pre 1990s does to namus this month alone. It hopefully sounds like departments are digging thru their archives
 
  • #3
New Mexico added 50 pre 1990s does to namus this month alone. It hopefully sounds like departments are digging thru their archives
Yes, I've seen that, and it's a good sign, a Long way to go.
 
  • #4
Who enters them? Volunteers or paid?
 
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@MadMcGoo and I's spreadsheet has a small # of unidentified people not in NAMUS.
I'd say a good chunk are buried on Hart Island in NYC. At least 3K indexed by the Hart Island Project, not counting those who were pointedly buried as Jane/John Doe.
 
  • #7
Hart Island is a Nightmare. I applaud the efforts of the Project in attempting documentation for burials since 1980 but also recognize it is a massive effort laden with many more issues than I can contemplate. Having said that, I'm not seeing the numbers you are @victoriarobinson642, I'm seeing less than a 1000 with "unknown" search and only a couple with "Doe". Please help me see what you are.

Many years ago, and gratefully it has changed, coroners and other agencies had great difficulty in entering partial remains cases because of required data fields in NCIC; they simply did not have the info to enter. Additionally, again some time ago, the OCA (Originating Case Agency) entering the info into NCIC had to annually Verify the case was still open Or it would be purged from the system. I am aware of agencies who re-entered the info into NCIC once they realized this had occurred, however, who knows what may have been lost in terms of possible matches that were also not verified and thus potentially purged.

If you are in a state with satellite ME offices, you cannot assume that all of the cases for the state have been entered or were previously entered. Combine this with the difference between coroner and medical systems varying by state and location within, elected position vs hired, experience, education, etc - all of this adds to the problem. I'm providing a link here that shows a graphic of the systems across the US plus some general info - this is a 2011 NPR article and graphic - so while changes will have likely occurred, the point can be made that this was only 14 years ago. https://www.npr.org/2011/02/03/131242432/graphics-how-is-death-investigated-in-your-state

Much has changed since the inception of Namus (which I believe started sometime around 2005), cases of which were often entered by volunteers who had developed a relationship with an agency and were simply assisting by entering the data and noting the appropriate agency contact info with their final sign off before the record was published. Legislation (both in requiring agencies to submit to Namus and also changing their laws regarding unidentified remains), funding for all kinds of associated efforts, etc., have definitely all helped and much of that has been as a result of grass roots efforts among the families of the missing and other champions of the cause. DNA technology has grown tremendously bringing some answers, some agencies are resubmitting fingerprints (the integrated AFIS was not computerized until almost 2000 by the FBI), dental info previously entered is being reconfirmed or corrected as necessary by forensic odontologists, etc

Anything you can do makes a difference (searching what is available, searching news archives for cases - particularly pre internet, learning/help change your states rules/laws around UIDs, etc).
 
  • #8
Hart Island is a Nightmare. I applaud the efforts of the Project in attempting documentation for burials since 1980 but also recognize it is a massive effort laden with many more issues than I can contemplate. Having said that, I'm not seeing the numbers you are @victoriarobinson642, I'm seeing less than a 1000 with "unknown" search and only a couple with "Doe". Please help me see what you are.

Many years ago, and gratefully it has changed, coroners and other agencies had great difficulty in entering partial remains cases because of required data fields in NCIC; they simply did not have the info to enter. Additionally, again some time ago, the OCA (Originating Case Agency) entering the info into NCIC had to annually Verify the case was still open Or it would be purged from the system. I am aware of agencies who re-entered the info into NCIC once they realized this had occurred, however, who knows what may have been lost in terms of possible matches that were also not verified and thus potentially purged.

If you are in a state with satellite ME offices, you cannot assume that all of the cases for the state have been entered or were previously entered. Combine this with the difference between coroner and medical systems varying by state and location within, elected position vs hired, experience, education, etc - all of this adds to the problem. I'm providing a link here that shows a graphic of the systems across the US plus some general info - this is a 2011 NPR article and graphic - so while changes will have likely occurred, the point can be made that this was only 14 years ago. https://www.npr.org/2011/02/03/131242432/graphics-how-is-death-investigated-in-your-state

Much has changed since the inception of Namus (which I believe started sometime around 2005), cases of which were often entered by volunteers who had developed a relationship with an agency and were simply assisting by entering the data and noting the appropriate agency contact info with their final sign off before the record was published. Legislation (both in requiring agencies to submit to Namus and also changing their laws regarding unidentified remains), funding for all kinds of associated efforts, etc., have definitely all helped and much of that has been as a result of grass roots efforts among the families of the missing and other champions of the cause. DNA technology has grown tremendously bringing some answers, some agencies are resubmitting fingerprints (the integrated AFIS was not computerized until almost 2000 by the FBI), dental info previously entered is being reconfirmed or corrected as necessary by forensic odontologists, etc

Anything you can do makes a difference (searching what is available, searching news archives for cases - particularly pre internet, learning/help change your states rules/laws around UIDs, etc).
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  • #9
I have a question that may be very stupid, but here goes - is there any way to cross-reference between the missing and the unidentified we have threads for? Unless we have a database or spreadsheet, probably not. But if we could search or narrow down the field with some key factors like approx age, male or female, or something specific to the John or Jane Doe - "gold watch" "butterfly tattoo", etc.
 
  • #10
I have a question that may be very stupid, but here goes - is there any way to cross-reference between the missing and the unidentified we have threads for? Unless we have a database or spreadsheet, probably not. But if we could search or narrow down the field with some key factors like approx age, male or female, or something specific to the John or Jane Doe - "gold watch" "butterfly tattoo", etc.
I would advise you to familiarise yourself with the "How to" & Reference subforum in the Unidentified forum; one of the threads you'll find there is the UID tattoo matching thread. It's not perfect, but it's a start.

 
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I have a question that may be very stupid, but here goes - is there any way to cross-reference between the missing and the unidentified we have threads for? Unless we have a database or spreadsheet, probably not. But if we could search or narrow down the field with some key factors like approx age, male or female, or something specific to the John or Jane Doe - "gold watch" "butterfly tattoo", etc.
Hi @tlorik - glad you asked this question, please ask any others, we all learn and gain different perspectives that way; I did.

You could play around with the search functions - as an example, I entered the "gold watch" criteria as shown in screen shots below, which yielded search results for both missing and UIDS.
 

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  • #12
Awesome HopeRains - thank you for the info!
 
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Source: 2024 National Crime Information Center (NCIC) Missing Person and Unidentified Person Statistics Pursuant to the Requirements of the Crime Control Act of 1990, Pub. L. No. 101-647, 104 Stat. 4789

HopeRains note: This document is dated 3/17/2025 and indicates "*Use of the Unidentified Person File is voluntary."

15,277 entries in Namus thru 2024 - 8,546 in NCIC = 6,731 of the Namus records Not in NCIC.

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  • #14
Thought this would be of relevance to this thread.

Scott McCord, the coroner for Newton County, Indiana, who was featured in Naming The Dead posted last month on Facebook during some kind of DNA collection event for families of missing people in Indiana that there's currently almost 600 active cases of unidentified human remains across the whole state.

52 Indiana cases are listed in NamUs, which comes out at about only one in twelve cases from this state being in the system.

 
  • #15
Thought this would be of relevance to this thread.

Scott McCord, the coroner for Newton County, Indiana, who was featured in Naming The Dead posted last month on Facebook during some kind of DNA collection event for families of missing people in Indiana that there's currently almost 600 active cases of unidentified human remains across the whole state.

52 Indiana cases are listed in NamUs, which comes out at about only one in twelve cases from this state being in the system.

I emailed every coroner in Indiana 1-2 weeks ago and asked them about how many unidentified persons they have.

I’m going to follow up with the ones that haven’t responded, then I will submit formal record requests if they still don’t respond..

The few that have responded, do not have any UP for their county.
 
  • #16
Thought this would be of relevance to this thread.

Scott McCord, the coroner for Newton County, Indiana, who was featured in Naming The Dead posted last month on Facebook during some kind of DNA collection event for families of missing people in Indiana that there's currently almost 600 active cases of unidentified human remains across the whole state.

52 Indiana cases are listed in NamUs, which comes out at about only one in twelve cases from this state being in the system.

I had thought there was a bill trying to pass that made it a requirement for every LE dept , to file their missing peeps with namus.
What ever happened with that?
 
  • #17
I had thought there was a bill trying to pass that made it a requirement for every LE dept , to file their missing peeps with namus.
What ever happened with that?
Yeah, it needs done! Currently, for Indiana at least, the NAMUS law states that after 30 days an officer “may” upload the case into NAMUS 🙃

Tbh I’m curious where the 600 number comes from, that’s why I’m filing these pubic information requests.. IMO, very far fetched.. but, we’ll see
 

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