Where Is Heather?

[tabinmaine]

Maybe it is being discussed because it has been in the news that police have not ruled out further arrests?

AND unless they find Heather's body that might the only thing that leads to any others that may have been involved.... the police may not know yet but have suspicions...

 

[tabinmaine]

I have missed if the water near PTL was thoroughly checked yet or just quickly checked due to weather ? Do you think this is a place they will check again ?

 

[CHERIE.T]

I have missed if the water near PTL was thoroughly checked yet or just quickly checked due to weather ? Do you think this is a place they will check again ?

The water at ptl was checked at least twice. Divers were used the last time for some type of bottom search.

Wish we knew if other searches were up and coming!

 

[NFYIAMY]

You know - there are so many 'what if's' - and not knowing more of the evidence makes me crazy sometimes!

Thinking things through the other night I thought:

WHAT IF:

SM was contacting Heather legitimately. TM found out. TM gets in touch with SM and says "I know you're meeting her at PTL. This ends TONIGHT." -- SM then flies HOME to try and reason with her/settle her down (he knows what she is capable of). He gets to the home and TM isn't there. He drives like a speed demon to PTL - his phone is ringing but he's in a panic and knows he needs to get to PTL - he gets there -- Heather isn't there - but her car is. He knows something bad has happened. He then drives like a speed demon back to his house and finds TM more there with Heather dead in the back of the truck...... (If I read the info from the bond hearing correctly -- on the video showing the vehicle leaving PTL - it goes approx 1.7 miles in a minute or less? The speed limit on those roads is like 40 or below....)

That's a plausible theory? The calls to SM's phone by Heather once she got to PTL could've been because TM had a gun to her head telling her to call SM so he could 'hear her die'...?? He doesn't answer because he's driving like a crazy person....

Now - the short time line (3-4 minutes) on the PTL timeline makes sense on a completely different level.......

I dunno. Just sometimes different scenarios play out in my head. I needed to write this one out.

Feel free to rip it apart!

 

[jillycat]

I can't imagine why SM or his lawyer would sit quietly and not share that SM found Heather already dead at TM's hands.

 

[Dixie E]

I can't imagine why SM or his lawyer would sit quietly and not share that SM found Heather already dead at TM's hands.

You have a point there. Never thought of it this way. I am wondering if they have seen any other vehicles going to and from PTL in the early morning hours. Maybe they do and are not saying.

 

[magnolia]

You know - there are so many 'what if's' - and not knowing more of the evidence makes me crazy sometimes!

Thinking things through the other night I thought:

WHAT IF:

SM was contacting Heather legitimately. TM found out. TM gets in touch with SM and says "I know you're meeting her at PTL. This ends TONIGHT." -- SM then flies HOME to try and reason with her/settle her down (he knows what she is capable of). He gets to the home and TM isn't there. He drives like a speed demon to PTL - his phone is ringing but he's in a panic and knows he needs to get to PTL - he gets there -- Heather isn't there - but her car is. He knows something bad has happened. He then drives like a speed demon back to his house and finds TM more there with Heather dead in the back of the truck...... (If I read the info from the bond hearing correctly -- on the video showing the vehicle leaving PTL - it goes approx 1.7 miles in a minute or less? The speed limit on those roads is like 40 or below....)

That's a plausible theory? The calls to SM's phone by Heather once she got to PTL could've been because TM had a gun to her headtelling her to call SM so he could 'hear her die'...?? He doesn't answer because he's driving like a crazy person....

Now - the short time line (3-4 minutes) on the PTL timeline makes sense on a completely different level.......

I dunno. Just sometimes different scenarios play out in my head. I needed to write this one out.

Feel free to rip it apart!

BBM

I'm not going to try and rip your theory apart. It is as reasonable as some I have read. However, I really don't understand why your theory completely absolves Sidney. Your theory has him playing the part of a hero who is running around in a panic trying to save Heather. It seems a lot of theories I have read refuse to assign any blame to Sidney. I have difficulty understanding that.

 

[melodyl]

You have a point there. Never thought of it this way. I am wondering if they have seen any other vehicles going to and from PTL in the early morning hours. Maybe they do and are not saying.

I would think that the prosecutors would have included that in their preliminary hearing. That would leave no doubt that both were involved in one aspect or another. In my opinion Sidney is up to his elbows in the abduction, murder and disposal of Heather. If he were at all innocent I would think he'd be telling what he knew in order to absolve himself and get out of jail. I can't see him sitting there saying nothing to save himself knowing that he could spend the rest of his life in jail, or get the death penalty if the states attorney decides to upgrade the charge to capital murder. Just my opinion.

 

[PPKik]

You know - there are so many 'what if's' - and not knowing more of the evidence makes me crazy sometimes!

Thinking things through the other night I thought:

WHAT IF:

SM was contacting Heather legitimately. TM found out. TM gets in touch with SM and says "I know you're meeting her at PTL. This ends TONIGHT." -- SM then flies HOME to try and reason with her/settle her down (he knows what she is capable of). He gets to the home and TM isn't there. He drives like a speed demon to PTL - his phone is ringing but he's in a panic and knows he needs to get to PTL - he gets there -- Heather isn't there - but her car is. He knows something bad has happened. He then drives like a speed demon back to his house and finds TM more there with Heather dead in the back of the truck...... (If I read the info from the bond hearing correctly -- on the video showing the vehicle leaving PTL - it goes approx 1.7 miles in a minute or less? The speed limit on those roads is like 40 or below....)

That's a plausible theory? The calls to SM's phone by Heather once she got to PTL could've been because TM had a gun to her head telling her to call SM so he could 'hear her die'...?? He doesn't answer because he's driving like a crazy person....

Now - the short time line (3-4 minutes) on the PTL timeline makes sense on a completely different level.......

I dunno. Just sometimes different scenarios play out in my head. I needed to write this one out.

Feel free to rip it apart!

How did Tammy get to PTL and back home without being seen?

 

[NFYIAMY]

BBM

I'm not going to try and rip your theory apart. It is as reasonable as some I have read. However, I really don't understand why your theory completely absolves Sidney. Your theory has him playing the part of a hero who is running around in a panic trying to save Heather. It seems a lot of theories I have read refuse to assign any blame to Sidney. I have difficulty understanding that.

I certainly don't see him as a hero - not in my scenario - because regardless - at some point (if it played out how I wrote) HE COULD'VE DONE THE RIGHT THING.

Maybe, for me, because of how COMPLETELY DIFFERENT his demeanor was at the bond hearing? With that said - his demeanor at the bond hearing sure wouldn't fit my theory?! I mean if it happened the way I wrote - I would've thought to see some sort of sadness or something. But that wasn't what I saw from him. I swear it seemed like the whole hearing he was sitting there intently listening to every single word they said because he was completely clueless. Maybe that's just his personality -- who knows.

 

[NFYIAMY]

How did Tammy get to PTL and back home without being seen?

We don't know that she didn't.

I, along with others here, believe there is a LOT of information that the solicitor did not dish out at the bond hearing.

I agree, however, that there is no good reason I can come up with that the solicitor wouldn't put that piece of info out there though.

Again - it was just running through my head.....

I have a few more theories - but have figured out how to cage the little beasts so they can only get out and invade my head when I want them to. Unfortunately - some of ya'll post things that feed the little buggers and they rattle their cage and mess me all up again! LOL

 

[magnolia]

I certainly don't see him as a hero - not in my scenario - because regardless - at some point (if it played out how I wrote) HE COULD'VE DONE THE RIGHT THING.

Maybe, for me, because of how COMPLETELY DIFFERENT his demeanor was at the bond hearing? With that said - his demeanor at the bond hearing sure wouldn't fit my theory?! I mean if it happened the way I wrote - I would've thought to see some sort of sadness or something. But that wasn't what I saw from him. I swear it seemed like the whole hearing he was sitting there intently listening to every single word they said because he was completely clueless. Maybe that's just his personality -- who knows.

BBM- As far as I know, Sidney has never been a defendant in a murder case before. That said, I don't doubt he was clueless. If my life was on the line, I would also be hanging on to every word they said. Not defending him. Just putting myself in his shoes.

 

[bettiepageturner]

BBM

I'm not going to try and rip your theory apart. It is as reasonable as some I have read. However, I really don't understand why your theory completely absolves Sidney. Your theory has him playing the part of a hero who is running around in a panic trying to save Heather. It seems a lot of theories I have read refuse to assign any blame to Sidney. I have difficulty understanding that.

It's harder to comprehend a former lover betraying someone like that, but the jealous wife of said lover is a lot easier to insert into that scenario. It's not right, and we obviously will not know what actually occurred for a very long time, but it makes sense. For me, anyway. The instinct is to pretend I'm living in a world where sabotage isn't quite so coldhearted.

It may also be an element of "why would he choose TM over HE?" should the working theory be that he was acting on her orders, whatever they were. (With a sprinkle of "we've only ever read TM's crazy ranting" benefit of the doubt, to taste.)

I can see him being blindsided like in the above theory, but I don't think it would be to save Heather. I think it would be to save himself and prevent something that would get them both in a lot of trouble. I can't exactly see him collapsing with despair should Heather have befallen a similar fate naturally (car wreck, etc). In fact, I think that would have been a great relief for both Moorers. :/

 

[Madeleine74]

I don't know how thoughts or emotions can be assigned to someone just sitting at a defense table. How do we know SM wasn't medicated in some way? How does one determine how closely someone is listening by looking at them? Their mind could be wandering even as they watch what is happening in front of them and that wouldn't be visible.

It's like the speculation that SM was "in love with" Heather. Nice story (Disney-esque even in its sweetness) but this is someone's fantasy of what they want to believe to somehow make this all palatable. There is no evidence or proof of SM's feelings that we have access to.

 

[NWLady]

Irregardless of whether he had feelings for her or not, the end result was the same...she is gone, and he is still here.

(Now I will sit on my hands so I don't type what I would really like to say about "he is still here)"

 

[NFYIAMY]

I don't know how thoughts or emotions can be assigned to someone just sitting at a defense table. How do we know SM wasn't medicated in some way? How does one determine how closely someone is listening by looking at them? Their mind could be wandering even as they watch what is happening in front of them and that wouldn't be visible.

It's like the speculation that SM was "in love with" Heather. Nice story (Disney-esque even in its sweetness) but this is someone's fantasy of what they want to believe to somehow make this all palatable. There is no evidence or proof of SM's feelings that we have access to.

I was only stating my observation. My role at the bond hearing was to pay attention to details. The demeanor of TM and SM was a detail I paid a lot of attention to. I think the reason it sat with me the way it did was because their demeanors were SO different. He didn't appear medicated either BTW (could he have been, well sure, but it didn't seem that way).

All I can give are my observations and OPINIONS. I was there - most of you weren't there. I have no dog in this fight one way or the other - so most of the time I'm just stating it as I saw it or heard it.

You ask how I could determine how closely he was listening - well that's very easy. For one - I watched him as his head turned as different people spoke - I watched him turn his head to see what was being presented - quite on spot. Oh wait - I actually took photos of it, too.

There is something to say about speculation from an armchair QB place watching the game from home - and then there's observation from someone who was at the game sitting on the bench with the team. THere would be things heard/said/observed that someone at home would have no real idea about.

 

[Madeleine74]

I don't doubt the observations of behaviors and movements that you witnessed and photographed while in the courtroom.

I do doubt that anyone (not just you) could know what someone else, especially someone they don't know, is thinking or feeling.

 

[magnolia]

I don't doubt the observations of behaviors and movements that you witnessed and photographed while in the courtroom.

I do doubt that anyone (not just you) could know what someone else, especially someone they don't know, is thinking or feeling.

BBM

I think the same can be said about the other defendant and the victim in this case. No one knows what they were thinking and feeling. IMO

 

[Madeleine74]

BBM

I think the same can be said about the other defendant and the victim in this case. No one knows what they were thinking and feeling. IMO

Exactly!

Sometimes it feels like I entered into a fiction writer's club when I'm looking for the "true" in "true crime."

 

[CHERIE.T]

I was only stating my observation. My role at the bond hearing was to pay attention to details. The demeanor of TM and SM was a detail I paid a lot of attention to. I think the reason it sat with me the way it did was because their demeanors were SO different. He didn't appear medicated either BTW (could he have been, well sure, but it didn't seem that way).

All I can give are my observations and OPINIONS. I was there - most of you weren't there. I have no dog in this fight one way or the other - so most of the time I'm just stating it as I saw it or heard it.

You ask how I could determine how closely he was listening - well that's very easy. For one - I watched him as his head turned as different people spoke - I watched him turn his head to see what was being presented - quite on spot. Oh wait - I actually took photos of it, too.

There is something to say about speculation from an armchair QB place watching the game from home - and then there's observation from someone who was at the game sitting on the bench with the team. THere would be things heard/said/observed that someone at home would have no real idea about.

DAUM right Hoppy. :yourock: