Where Precisely Do You Think Caylee Died?

[KenoshaKid]

Casey's room, most likely.

Caylee's baby doll was found in Casey's car at the tow yard. Caylee brought the doll everywhere with her. Did that doll go to Mt Dora in Cindy's car? How did the doll get back in Casey's car? = Caylee and doll must have been in Casey's car after that Mt Dora visit.

I have tons of questions still. I'm sure there's more evidence that we don't know about yet. It's very hard to imagine this.

Here's how I see it going down:

At night after the fight, stormed out with Caylee took drive...back to house, in Casey's room decides to just do it...kills Caylee in the big bed while she's sleeping....freaks out and can't just leave body there...then body out to the car trunk...next day tried to package body for disposal in between posting Fusion pics and texting...body back in car trunk for Blockbuster and stay at Tony's...let body stay in trunk because Tony took day off from school on June 17th, and she so dreaded having to deal with that other issue in the trunk... but by the 18th backed into parent's garage and got the body ready for final disposal...shovel, but digging way too difficult...got to get this done today....took a short drive just down the street....pulled over on side road...quick walk into woods...dumped body...and done deal.

Horrifying!

bbm
I had not thought of that before. Boy, if we know if Mama doll was at Mr Dora then that sure points to the car as the place she was killed. Wow.
If Mama doll was NOT at Mt. Dora, it is possible that it was still in the car from when KC drove her home to go with Cindy to Mt. Dora. More wow.

 

[Shear22]

I believe she killed her after she left the house. There is no way she would chance getting caught putting duct tape on Caylee while in the house- JMO-
I really believe at one point she wanted to burn the body with gas but was scared she would get draw attention to the location. So very curious to find out if syringe that was discovered had anything on it. I almost think she drove to the hide out place, killed her and then put her in the trunk and tried to bury her at home...then feared someone would find her...so took her back out to the woods. again, JMO

If nobody else is home it's much safer to kill her at home than in the car outside the house where anybody walking by could see in the car.

 

[static]

If nobody else is home it's much safer to kill her at home than in the car outside the house where anybody walking by could see in the car.

Indeed, it would, however my opinion is that she killed Caylee immediately after the "fight" with Cindy. I truly believe that she took Caylee and stormed out and Caylee was crying for Cindy. Again, JMO- I think she took her to the secluded hide out in the woods, either parked the car or took her out of the car and put the tape on to silence her.

 

[Darla]

I think she died at the A's house. Sometimes I think she conveniently had the back door open, ladder on the pool and let her drown. That way she can tell herself it was 'an accident'. Could she have gotten the shovel to get her out of the pool and put her down next to the pool where the dogs hit? I go back and forth how it happened but do think it happened at the A's house.

 

[Chiquita71]

I believe she died in the car sometime after midnight which would make it the 16th, as one of the talking heads said Casey left with Caylee after the fight on Father's Day
(15th). She reportedly left around midnight. I believe Casey waited until G. and C were at work, sometime in the afternoon of the 16th, returning to the house after Geo. left for his afternoon/evening security job, put Caylee's swimsuit on her, put her in the pool so it would look like an accidential drowning, called several times, frantically, to both of her parents cellphones, which neither answered at work. She left the ladder on the pool, and Cindy commented to Greta that they thought neighbors were coming in to use their pool while they were at work, because they never left the ladder on the side of the pool since Caylee was able to get it.

For right now I think Caylee died in Casey's room. For right now. Quote respect SWGAL(part bolded by me)because:

I keep thinking that IF Caylee did really die, on purpose or on accident in the pool that we might not be talking about the pool. Why is it so obvious that something was going on with the pool? If Casey wanted to cover up that Caylee had died in the pool, she would have covered the evidence better.

The evidence being a huge "red flag" of the ladder being up and the gate being open. I posted this as a theory a while ago: the ladder and the gate is a familycentric symbol. Yes, in general we all share a worry about pools and children and agree to certain safety standards. But, only an Anthony knew and knows at the moment of seeing the ladder up and gate open what that "means."

Right now I agree with SWGAL. That Casey came back to make it look like something had happened to Caylee in the pool. How the pool was found by George and Cindy was a message to them. That "someone" had been in/around/using the pool and hadn't put things back the way that is "normal."

Again, if Casey was trying to cover her tracks re: the drowning of Caylee(accident or murder)one would think she would cover her tracks. Why would she want to hear, "why was the ladder up and the gate open" when she is trying to keep what happened to Caylee on the down-low?

And, going with "because I'm a spiteful...": I agree with the fight on the 15th and Cindy and Casey getting physically into it(I understand there is no proof of this fight and Cindy denies it completely). Cindy had had Caylee in the pool after Gpa visit.

So, to come back and make it look like "it" had occurred in the pool might be more of Casey's way of "spiting" Cindy.

My vote is "Casey's room."

OH, and add in: is it true that LE took a piece of Casey's bed as evidence?

...jmo...

 

[Chiquita71]

QUOTE Respect Talison


However, after the ping information was released, it became clear that Casey wasn't anywhere very far away from home that night. She could have been in the car, but only if the car was parked at home or close to it, because we now know that she was close to the Anthony home all night, on the phone with Ton-E into the wee hours. So now I think Caylee was killed at home, most likely in Casey's bedroom.

I agree.

Cindy's statement about hearing Casey and Caylee breathing through the door that night has always bothered me.

Yes. Me too.

Something is wrong there, but I can't quite put my finger on it. When I still believed they had left the house, I thought Cindy was just trying to cover for the fact that they weren't there. But now that I believe they WERE there (based on the pings), I can't figure out what Cindy heard, or what she is trying to accomplish by saying she heard them breathing through the door. I don't believe for a second that they were sleeping and she really could hear them "breathing" through a closed bedroom door, especially since I know Casey wasn't asleep, since she stayed up talking to Ton-E! So why did Cindy use the word "breathing"? Was it a subconscious effort on her part to convince herself that Caylee was, in fact, still "breathing" at that time? Did she hear something significant at the time, or did she really hear nothing? Trying to make sense of Anthony lies is just baffling. LOL.[/QUOTE]

Yes. I think it is telling that she used "breathing."

I quoted your post because you said what I was thinking. Thanks.

...jmo...

 

[Curious Me]

Indeed, it would, however my opinion is that she killed Caylee immediately after the "fight" with Cindy. I truly believe that she took Caylee and stormed out and Caylee was crying for Cindy. Again, JMO- I think she took her to the secluded hide out in the woods, either parked the car or took her out of the car and put the tape on to silence her.

So many of us want to assign rage to this terrible crime. I can see what you describe happening. It doesn't take much to frustrate Casey into balled fists. The fight with Cindy could have been about Caylee telling Casey's secrets.

Wouldn't Cindy make sure Caylee was okay before she went to work the next morning after such a terrible fight? Yeah, she heard breathing, but as such a close grandmother you'd think she'd want to say something soothing to Caylee after putting that little girl in the situation of a ugly, horrible fight. George's story of June 16th made up because they all know it happened the night of June 15th?

May what was done in the dark, come to light now.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

The doc dump released in February lists several items that LE took as potential evidence from the Sunroom. A chair cushion, rug and tablecloth(?). Not sure about the tablecloth but the other two I remember.

That means that the Sunroom will be ruled out or it may produce real evidence. The results of the tests LE would have conducted have not been released that I know of.

Other than that, anybodies guess is as good as mine - the house.

 

[Nore]

I think she killed her in KC's bedroom.As I remember KC. couldn't sleep in there when she was out on bail.I believe she slept in her parents bedroom on the air mattress.My second guess would be Caylee's room.I wish they could have taken the cadaver dogs inside.

 

[okiedokietoo]

I think she killed her in KC's bedroom.As I remember KC. couldn't sleep in there when she was out on bail.I believe she slept in her parents bedroom on the air mattress.My second guess would be Caylee's room.I wish they could have taken the cadaver dogs inside.

Yeal but wasn't that CA's reason why KC didn't want to sleep in her room - because she missed Caylee. Somewhere I remember LP saying something that JB didn't want KC around the bounty/body guards and that was why she initially slept in the parents room - to be isolated from other people in the house.

 

[KenoshaKid]

I think she killed her in KC's bedroom.As I remember KC. couldn't sleep in there when she was out on bail.I believe she slept in her parents bedroom on the air mattress.My second guess would be Caylee's room.I wish they could have taken the cadaver dogs inside.

bbm

Me, too!!!

 

[spiderlady]

Why were the dogs not taken in the house?

 

[panthera]

So many of us want to assign rage to this terrible crime. I can see what you describe happening. It doesn't take much to frustrate Casey into balled fists. The fight with Cindy could have been about Caylee telling Casey's secrets.

Wouldn't Cindy make sure Caylee was okay before she went to work the next morning after such a terrible fight? Yeah, she heard breathing, but as such a close grandmother you'd think she'd want to say something soothing to Caylee after putting that little girl in the situation of a ugly, horrible fight. George's story of June 16th made up because they all know it happened the night of June 15th?

May what was done in the dark, come to light now.

Unless the person inside the bedroom is snoring, coughing, sneezing or making some other noise, how can you possibly tell that they are "breathing" through a closed door? I've never bought that from CA and think her choice of words may be more to convince herself that Caylee was still alive. MOO

 

[kageykaren]

Unless the person inside the bedroom is snoring, coughing, sneezing or making some other noise, how can you possibly tell that they are "breathing" through a closed door? I've never bought that from CA and think her choice of words may be more to convince herself that Caylee was still alive. MOO

My feeling has been that while still in hyper argument mode kC wisked Caylee up went and they went to KC room. Caylee while still upset about the, tone volumn and atmosphere that the two women in the house created causing her to continue crying and once behind KC door Caylee's continued fussing cries for CC was not going to be tolerated at a time when KC had the immediate problem of being caught and confronted with steeling from SP. Kc wasn't going to not have the upper hand . I think within minutes of going to the bedroom, Kio (I think) said it best, "Soft Kill" by tapeing her mouth around and around for secure reasons and suffocated her, got on the phone till the wee hours of the morning to work off the adrenlin rush of murder! I think she first put Caylee in the laudry
bag. If you take GA out as seeing them my theory is she dragged Caylee in the cotton laundry hamper ( throughat some point due to the weight of a body already decomping for hours) through the house, through the porch and into backyard. When that didn't work Kc was placed in the trunk like a load of dirty laundry. For me this is when the decomp stain came to be causing kC to get garbage bags to load Caylee's body in . If KC had had Caylee in the car the decomp would have given him an alarming sniff up his nose. If KC had removed Caylee before the 24 th GA still would have smelled the decomp order from the stain in the back of car anywhere he stood next to the car. That nasty whiff would have permiated the circumfrence of the car. If a hunter put a dead deer in a garbage bag and brought it in the following day the smell leaks out of those hefty bags and when opened are muckey. If a hunter guts the deer first and places rock salt all in the bag before transit they don't stink in astrong way. decomp in car permiates the plastic and anything else in the car permantly as we have found out. For GA not to tell that he smelled something isn't a truth in my book. No matter how much kC may have tried to clean that smell it won't go away.

 

[countzero]

I have my theories all over this forum; same ones, just in different threads and they haven't changed much.

I didn't vote because for me, Caylee was murdered in possibly two different rooms. The living room or KC's room between the hours of 9pm 6.15 and 6am 6.16.08. Because we may never know the exact place or time I will just settle for the A compound as being the place of the Caylee's murder. And I am not convinced that KC did it alone either. More evidence has to be produced for me to rule out CA/GA/LA.

As far as the stories CA/GA/LA have told to LE/FBI and the media; many have been documented as being a lie. The biggest lie for me is all A's put in their signed affidavits that Caylee was last seen June 9, 2008. So I cannot believe anything they have said as being the truth UNLESS there is another reliable person to validate the stories told by CA/GA/LA. And so far to this date, not one person has come forward to do just that. By the way, I believe the LE/FBI do not believe them either.

They are less than reliable; kinda/sorta like catching a 6 year old with their hands in the cookie jar, staring directly at them and them telling me they didn't take that cookie. Then wiping the crumbs from their cheeks as they continue to deny eating it.

In this latest doc dump CA even tells LE/FBI that she lied on the first two 911 calls just to get them out to her house. And when those two 911 calls didn't produce LE, she lied on the 3rd and last 911 call. Talk about back tracking their stories. CA claimed she hasn't seen Caylee for 31 days and she had to lie to LE to get them out to the A compound???? What ISN'T wrong with this story. Link, starts on page 7577-7581 - CA rambles on about it http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0730/20224553.pdf
Sheeze, it isn't rocket science to read them like a bad book.

 

[Oakley]

Hmmmmm. Well neither Cindy, George nor Lee would agree to take a poly. I do wonder what they were afraid of.

I have my theories all over this forum; same ones, just in different threads and they haven't changed much.

I didn't vote because for me, Caylee was murdered in possibly two different rooms. The living room or KC's room between the hours of 9pm 6.15 and 6am 6.16.08. Because we may never know the exact place or time I will just settle for the A compound as being the place of the Caylee's murder. And I am not convinced that KC did it alone either. More evidence has to be produced for me to rule out CA/GA/LA.

As far as the stories CA/GA/LA have told to LE/FBI and the media; many have been documented as being a lie. So I cannot believe anything they have said as being the truth UNLESS there is another reliable person to validate the stories told by CA/GA/LA. And so far to this date, not one person has come forward to do just that. By the way, I believe the LE/FBI do not believe them either.

They are less than reliable; kinda/sorta like catching a 6 year old with their hands in the cookie jar, staring directly at them and them telling me they didn't take that cookie. Then wiping the crumbs from their cheeks as they continue to deny eating it.

In this latest doc dump CA even tells LE/FBI that she lied on the first two 911 calls just to get them out to her house. And when those two 911 calls didn't produce LE, she lied on the 3rd and last 911 call. Talk about back tracking their stories. CA claimed she hasn't seen Caylee for 31 days and she had to lie to LE to get them out to the A compound???? What ISN'T wrong with this story.

Sheeze, it isn't rocket science to read them like a bad book.

 

[~greeneyedgirl~]

There are many photos of KC and Caylee, Caylee with family, friends and such plus with all of the photos and stickers and such, it looked to me that KC was maybe a bit of a scrapbooker.

What I don't understand is if Caylee was babysat by someone for such an amount of time where are the pictures, I know when my kids were watched there was tones of pics with their sitter, the sitters kids and so on.

I was just wondering if this subject has ever been touched on and where would I be able to see it....

Thank you

 

[Ms.Heather]

There are many photos of KC and Caylee, Caylee with family, friends and such plus with all of the photos and stickers and such, it looked to me that KC was maybe a bit of a scrapbooker.

What I don't understand is if Caylee was babysat by someone for such an amount of time where are the pictures, I know when my kids were watched there was tones of pics with their sitter, the sitters kids and so on.

I was just wondering if this subject has ever been touched on and where would I be able to see it....

Thank you

Well, I dunno if there are any threads that are directed towards that subject... because quite frankly there was no babysitter, so noone expects any pictures to surface of Caylee with a sitter. Besides maybe CA.

You can try the Q&A thread, maybe someone can point you in the right direction.

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86705"]LIST Questions and Answers #8 LIST ONLY NO DISCUSSION - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

Good Luck.

 

[Themis]

There are many photos of KC and Caylee, Caylee with family, friends and such plus with all of the photos and stickers and such, it looked to me that KC was maybe a bit of a scrapbooker.

What I don't understand is if Caylee was babysat by someone for such an amount of time where are the pictures, I know when my kids were watched there was tones of pics with their sitter, the sitters kids and so on.

I was just wondering if this subject has ever been touched on and where would I be able to see it....

Thank you

That is a really REALLY good point again proving there never was a Zanny -- ZFG. No photos -- from someone who is prolific at taking photos.

 

[Themis]

QUOTE Respect Talison


However, after the ping information was released, it became clear that Casey wasn't anywhere very far away from home that night. She could have been in the car, but only if the car was parked at home or close to it, because we now know that she was close to the Anthony home all night, on the phone with Ton-E into the wee hours. So now I think Caylee was killed at home, most likely in Casey's bedroom.

I agree.

Cindy's statement about hearing Casey and Caylee breathing through the door that night has always bothered me.

Yes. Me too.

Something is wrong there, but I can't quite put my finger on it. When I still believed they had left the house, I thought Cindy was just trying to cover for the fact that they weren't there. But now that I believe they WERE there (based on the pings), I can't figure out what Cindy heard, or what she is trying to accomplish by saying she heard them breathing through the door. I don't believe for a second that they were sleeping and she really could hear them "breathing" through a closed bedroom door, especially since I know Casey wasn't asleep, since she stayed up talking to Ton-E! So why did Cindy use the word "breathing"? Was it a subconscious effort on her part to convince herself that Caylee was, in fact, still "breathing" at that time? Did she hear something significant at the time, or did she really hear nothing? Trying to make sense of Anthony lies is just baffling. LOL.

Yes. I think it is telling that she used "breathing."

I quoted your post because you said what I was thinking. Thanks.

...jmo...[/quote]



By THEMIS: That choice of the word "breathing" makes one think that CA might have had some inkling that lack of breathing is what killed Caylee -- as in suffocation by duct tape or chloroform depressing her central nervous system so much she was not only no longer conscious, but no longer breathing.