Which is strongest RDI evidence?

[wonderllama]

Once again, cynic's the man.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

In May, 1991, CalComp offered to exercise its 25% equity option, purchase Access Graphics (its largest distributor), and provide funds for expansion. The deal gave John Ramsey $8 million and ousted Jim Hudson (the partner whose company, CAD Distributors, had been based in Boulder and who presumably was the reason AG was located in Boulder). AG became a wholly-owned subsidiary with its same management and about 120 employees.

So John got $8 million when Cal Comp bought Access Graphics? Didn't Lockheed buy AG too? How much money did he get then?

 

[cynic]

So John got $8 million when Cal Comp bought Access Graphics? Didn't Lockheed buy AG too? How much money did he get then?

Lockheed already owned CalComp in 1991.
When CalComp paid JR $8 million in 1991, it (CalComp) was at the time a division of Sanders Associates which in turn had been previously acquired by Lockheed (in 1986) which subsequently merged with Martin Marietta in 1995 to form Lockheed Martin.

CalComp Systems never had much more than about $30 million in annual revenues. In mid-1985, the CalComp Systems Division of Sanders Associates acquired the CADplan software product line from Personal CAD Systems (P-CAD) for $7.5 million and renamed it CADVANCE. This software initially sold for $2,500 per copy. The acquisition did not go well and Sanders sued P-CAD for $22 million claiming that the company had misled it about the financial health of its AEC business prior to the acquisition. A major problem that CalComp faced trying to sell CAD systems and software was that it competed with turnkey CAD systems vendors who were some of CalComp’s largest customers for plotters and other peripheral devices.
Sanders Associates was acquired in 1986 by Lockheed which also owned CADAM, Inc. When Lockheed ran into its own financial problems, it sold off several divisions including CADAM. It was expected that CalComp was also going to be sold but either no buyer emerged or Lockheed changed its mind and kept the company. For the next few years CalComp did fairly well as an independent division of Lockheed focused on plotters and other peripheral devices.
CalComp pulled out of the CAD systems business in May 1987 when it sold CalComp Systems to ISICAD based it Ellwangen, Germany and subsequently focused its resources on three primary product lines: plotters, printers and digitizers. ISICAD opened an office in Anaheim, California and marketed CADVANCE for a number of years. The president of the U. S. operation was John Arnold.
CalComp continued to produce a wide range of plotters using just about every technology currently available including increasingly popular inkjet units that were quickly replacing pen plotters and expensive electrostatic devices. Lockheed merged with Martin Marietta in 1995 to form Lockheed Martin.
CalComp Computer Products and Summagraphics merged in July 1996 and became CalComp Technology, Inc. This new entity assumed Summagraphics’ position on NASDAQ with Lockheed Martin owning about 90 percent of the new company. The next few years saw CalComp Technology’s sales slowly decline as the company struggled with new inkjet technology and increased plotter competition from Hewlett-Packard. Trading in CalComp Technology stock was terminated in January 1999 and the company was liquidated in May 1999.
CADVANCE software was acquired in 1995 from ISICAD by Furukawa Information Technology, Inc., a software distributor located in Anaheim, California. Founded by Takashi Furukawa, the company continues to sell CADVANCE, currently priced at $1,995 per copy.
Cadlinc was founded in April1981 by John West who had previously been involved with the sale of NC supplies and Mike Sterling, the founder of Systems Associates, a manufacturing consulting company established in 1973. The latter company was the U. S. distributor of an NC software package, Graphical Numerical Control (GNC) and a surface geometry package, Polysurf, both developed by the CAD Centre in Cambridge, England. The GNC software was also sold by Prime Computer. In the process of starting Cadlinc, Systems Associates was folded into the new company. West was primarily the public face of the company while Sterling became vice president of product development for the new company.
The third key member of the start-up team was Dr. Martin Newell who had earlier been associated with the CAD Centre in Cambridge and then at the Xerox Palo Alto Research Center (PARC) where he worked on interactive graphic systems with John Warnock who subsequently co-founded Adobe Systems. While Cadlinc was initially headquartered in Elk Grove, Illinois, Newell stayed in Palo Alto and ran the company’s
In 1991, CalComp acquired one of its major distributors, Access Graphics of Boulder, Colorado. The president of Access Graphics at the time was John Ramsey, whose daughter, JonBenet Ramsey, was murdered on December 26, 1997. Access Graphics was split off from CalComp in 1993 and made a separate Lockheed division.
http://www.cadhistory.net/chapters/21_Miscellaneous.pdf

 

[joeskidbeck]

A few years ago I read a magazine article concerning Lockheed Martin's investigation after Jonbenet's death. I will try to find the link again so that everyone can read it. Basically, their intent was to make sure that her death was not the result of a particular grudge with LM. Their findings were that there was no concern for any of their employees' families and that no further security measures were necessary. This (IMO) is the reason JR dropped the sff in a hurry. It became painfully obvious that LM took this VERY seriously and would leave no stone unturned. It's a pretty safe bet that they were not going to let the accidental death of this little girl ruin all their defense contracts. Even the Ramsey's spin team did not have the power needed to prevent LM from getting to the bottom of this so JR dropped this theory very quickly.

 

[DeeDee249]

Excellent point, Beck!

 

[madeleine]

A few years ago I read a magazine article concerning Lockheed Martin's investigation after Jonbenet's death. I will try to find the link again so that everyone can read it. Basically, their intent was to make sure that her death was not the result of a particular grudge with LM. Their findings were that there was no concern for any of their employees' families and that no further security measures were necessary. This (IMO) is the reason JR dropped the sff in a hurry. It became painfully obvious that LM took this VERY seriously and would leave no stone unturned. It's a pretty safe bet that they were not going to let the accidental death of this little girl ruin all their defense contracts. Even the Ramsey's spin team did not have the power needed to prevent LM from getting to the bottom of this so JR dropped this theory very quickly.

I wish I knew what their notes said.I bet their investigators were real good ones not like the BPD or JR's.totally different agenda though.LM's ones didn't had to mud the waters and it wasn't about ego's (like it was with ST for ex),it was about the company and their image so they probably took it serious.

 

[horatio]

If an intruder did it, and they have that 'touch DNA', shouldn't we have seen a result pop up through CODIS or whatever? I mean it's highly unlikely this person would've committed one high risk crime and not others. Maybe their name wouldn't be on file, but the DNA should at least be linked to other crimes right?

 

[Agatha_C]

If an intruder did it, and they have that 'touch DNA', shouldn't we have seen a result pop up through CODIS or whatever? I mean it's highly unlikely this person would've committed one high risk crime and not others. Maybe their name wouldn't be on file, but the DNA should at least be linked to other crimes right?

The thing to keep in mind is why was Touch DNA on her clothing and nowhere else? Not the garotte, not on the body, not in the body, not on the pen, the RN, or around the area JBR's body was found. Only on her pj pants and a tiny speck on her panties. As for the DNA under her fingernails, that was compromised when the clippers were mishandled.

The biggest issue with the touch DNA is the fact that it could have been placed there months before the crime or years after the crime. Jonbenet herself could have put it there simply by hugging someone at the party, not washing her hands and than pulling her pj pants up with a flake falling in her panties.

Like the writer of the RN, just because they were there and wrote the note, does not mean that person actually hit her on the head. Just because someone touched her pants, does not mean that person killed her.

And thats about all I know about that! LOL

 

[horatio]

The thing to keep in mind is why was Touch DNA on her clothing and nowhere else? Not the garotte, not on the body, not in the body, not on the pen, the RN, or around the area JBR's body was found. Only on her pj pants and a tiny speck on her panties. As for the DNA under her fingernails, that was compromised when the clippers were mishandled.

The biggest issue with the touch DNA is the fact that it could have been placed there months before the crime or years after the crime. Jonbenet herself could have put it there simply by hugging someone at the party, not washing her hands and than pulling her pj pants up with a flake falling in her panties.

Like the writer of the RN, just because they were there and wrote the note, does not mean that person actually hit her on the head. Just because someone touched her pants, does not mean that person killed her.

And thats about all I know about that! LOL

Without the touch DNA, the only other thing pointing at someone else is the RN right? I mean, I remember hearing/reading that they found a lone pubic hair, but why haven't I heard more about that? Where are the DNA hits off of that? If they can generate a profile from 7-8 skin cells, why not a single hair?!
Even then, I absolutely agree that the hair could be explained away, but the likelihood and burden would be on whoever it belonged to.

Without foreign DNA, the RN is the only thing the R's have to cling to and most experts agree that it's pretty much a joke of a note and not sincere in any meaningful way.

 

[DeeDee249]

Without the touch DNA, the only other thing pointing at someone else is the RN right? I mean, I remember hearing/reading that they found a lone pubic hair, but why haven't I heard more about that? Where are the DNA hits off of that? If they can generate a profile from 7-8 skin cells, why not a single hair?!
Even then, I absolutely agree that the hair could be explained away, but the likelihood and burden would be on whoever it belonged to.

Without foreign DNA, the RN is the only thing the R's have to cling to and most experts agree that it's pretty much a joke of a note and not sincere in any meaningful way.

I can't believe the myth of the pubic hair is still around. There was NO pubic hair. The hair found on the white blanket was PROVED to be an ancillary (forearm) hair belonging to Patsy. That's why you haven't heard about it.
How do you figure the RN points to someone else? The handwriting looks like Patsy's and out of ALL the people who gave writing samples she was the only one who could not be ruled out as the author.

 

[horatio]

I can't believe the myth of the pubic hair is still around. There was NO pubic hair. The hair found on the white blanket was PROVED to be an ancillary (forearm) hair belonging to Patsy. That's why you haven't heard about it.
How do you figure the RN points to someone else? The handwriting looks like Patsy's and out of ALL the people who gave writing samples she was the only one who could not be ruled out as the author.

Thanks for clearing that up re: pubic hair. I DON'T figure the RN points to someone else, but on the surface it was meant to point at someone else. I firmly believe PR wrote the note.

 

[UKGuy]

Without the touch DNA, the only other thing pointing at someone else is the RN right? I mean, I remember hearing/reading that they found a lone pubic hair, but why haven't I heard more about that? Where are the DNA hits off of that? If they can generate a profile from 7-8 skin cells, why not a single hair?!
Even then, I absolutely agree that the hair could be explained away, but the likelihood and burden would be on whoever it belonged to.

Without foreign DNA, the RN is the only thing the R's have to cling to and most experts agree that it's pretty much a joke of a note and not sincere in any meaningful way.

horatio,
We do not really know a lot about the DNA. It may be degraded Ramsey DNA, it may be DNA from a Ramsey friend? Its type e.g. blood, hair, cell etc was never stated. Its just DNA!

I'll bet, if at the time of JonBenet's death, you had searched around the basement, you may have found numerous items, all containing various types of alleged foreign DNA. Are these also candidates for an intruder profile?


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[wonderllama]

I was under the impression the touch DNA (according to the Intruder Theory) was evidence of where the intruder touched the underpants/etc. Yet other items we "know" they touched do not show anything at all...

Sharpie Pen, Ransom Note, Pad the note came from, the garotte components (rope, paint brush end), the associated blankets around JBR....and this is just the stuff we KNOW someone had to touch in this crime.

What else is there? I mean, it is supposedly such an involved crime with a couple of murder weapons, plenty of movement through the house and clues left behind, simply wearing gloves shouldn't cut it for the amount of "unknown" TOUCH DNA left behind.

Perhaps the Intruder was cross bred with a labradoodle?

 

[jaded cat]

Are you seriously saying that by them saying she is "in a better place now" that it somehow points towards guilt? Such a stretch,there. Just about everyone I know says the same thing when they lose a loved one. It's a coping mechanism, we all want to believe that the deceased truly IS in a better place.

It was said about my father when he died because his body was eaten up with cancer and had a morphine epidural for 4 months. He was bedridden and in horrible pain. I had to believe he was in a better place and free of pain or I would have gone mad.

What pain did JB have? Other than an out of control stage mother? Why would JB need to be in a better place?

 

[jaded cat]

I actually chose the RN but the first thing about this case that got my attention was the R's first interview. It sounded so strange. I had nothing to base my opinion on but I definitely got some weird vibrations from the R's. I started looking on the net and found a few forums and began reading. Unfortunately, my father died on January 16, 1997 and I was away for a few months.

When I got back to reading, I came in with a fairly open mind. I knew my emotions were a little out of whack but I wasn't locked in to any scenario. I didn't want to believe the R's killed JB. After a while, I found that nothing else made sense.

An intruder that brought nothing with them? No sign that anyone else was in the house that night? Fibers! PR's paintbrush being used? The longest, most bizarre ransom note ever written? Their actions in finding JB and then PR throwing herself on the body?

I watched interviews, I read articles, I followed Mrs. Brady's page, I followed links to just about everything out there. I joined several forums and tried to listen to the IDIs but ultimately just couldn't buy their defense of the Rs.

In the end, it came down to this: they did it or they know who did. Nothing else makes sense to me.

If I believe that JR loved PR, I can see him doing whatever he had to do to cover for her. He came across as a man with a terrible burden on his shoulders. I can't quite picture a reason PR would cover for JR but I know it could happen. I also held the thought that BR could have been involved. I didn't want to take my brain there, but many things about the BDI theory make perfect sense.

 

[joeskidbeck]

Great post jaded cat. I hate to even admit it but my first opinion was that the R's were innocent. Dont get me wrong, I have never had my head in the sand enough to think these "kind of people" just could not have done this. My problem was that I spent time on another website and listened to the propaganda. The good thing is that the other site spent so much time bashing this one that I came here to find out why and have never left. Thank God!

 

[BBB167893]

What pain did JB have? Other than an out of control stage mother? Why would JB need to be in a better place?

Precisely the question!

 

[Agatha_C]

Great post jaded cat. I hate to even admit it but my first opinion was that the R's were innocent. Dont get me wrong, I have never had my head in the sand enough to think these "kind of people" just could not have done this. My problem was that I spent time on another website and listened to the propaganda. The good thing is that the other site spent so much time bashing this one that I came here to find out why and have never left. Thank God!

I too have taken the walk of IDI shame and like you Beck, I knew better. I just didnt want to believe it of these parents. Gads, I hate admitting that! :banghead:

I even went so far as to believe that FW had done it. For that alone I pray for forgiveness every night, no joke. I want to send him a letter begging him for forgiveness fop the horrible things I have thought and said about him...:maddening:

Then I saw the light and was welcomed into the warm bosom of RDI and the rest is history..... :abduction:

 

[DeeDee249]

Jaded cat, if I could distill this whole case to one sentence that perfectly explains it all- it would be that one- "The parents did it or they know who did". I have always held that belief.
I may not be sure who did what, or even if the parents were the actual killers, but they surely know what happened, as because of that, I cannot imagine them covering up for any friend, associate, or other intruder in the home. The coverup would only be done for a family member or if there is something that they absolutely could not have made public that would have come to light if they had outed whoever did this.

 

[UKGuy]

I actually chose the RN but the first thing about this case that got my attention was the R's first interview. It sounded so strange. I had nothing to base my opinion on but I definitely got some weird vibrations from the R's. I started looking on the net and found a few forums and began reading. Unfortunately, my father died on January 16, 1997 and I was away for a few months.

When I got back to reading, I came in with a fairly open mind. I knew my emotions were a little out of whack but I wasn't locked in to any scenario. I didn't want to believe the R's killed JB. After a while, I found that nothing else made sense.

An intruder that brought nothing with them? No sign that anyone else was in the house that night? Fibers! PR's paintbrush being used? The longest, most bizarre ransom note ever written? Their actions in finding JB and then PR throwing herself on the body?

I watched interviews, I read articles, I followed Mrs. Brady's page, I followed links to just about everything out there. I joined several forums and tried to listen to the IDIs but ultimately just couldn't buy their defense of the Rs.

In the end, it came down to this: they did it or they know who did. Nothing else makes sense to me.

If I believe that JR loved PR, I can see him doing whatever he had to do to cover for her. He came across as a man with a terrible burden on his shoulders. I can't quite picture a reason PR would cover for JR but I know it could happen. I also held the thought that BR could have been involved. I didn't want to take my brain there, but many things about the BDI theory make perfect sense.

jaded cat,

Thats why I think collusion or/and conspiracy. Its not only JonBenet's death that is being covered up. Once the smoke and mirrors are removed only the residents of the Ramsey household are left.

PR would cover for JR if she was colluding with JR. Did JR love PR? Thats a biggy. There are allegations of extra-marital affairs, on both sides. Consider the age difference between PR and JR, consider Patsy's cancer treatment, consider Burke and JonBenet's emotional needs. Where did John fit in? I always like to refer to Tiger Woods as an exemplar. Successful, multi-millionaire, endorsements coming out his ears, married to a nice woman with beautiful children, in short the perfect family man. Yet look at what his wealth allowed him to do, all that money spent on non-familial entertainment. Now compare with the Ramsey's.

but many things about the BDI theory make perfect sense.

I've yet to see a consistent BDI. Also if BDI is the correct interpretation then I wonder if Burke is unique in the US? He seems to be living a normal life.

If BDI makes sense for you, what do you think the motive was?


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