White Truck Focus and second person in truck.

[angelswatchoverthem]

I am confused about this "white truck" thing! I have read it mentioned about a white truck on the day, and then a white truck at around 2am-3am??? If this is true, would these be two separate vehicles, or the same one that TH was driving? I imagine if there was sighting of a white truck in the early hours of the morning, that TH would not be driving it, because Kyron was missing in the afternoon after school was out. And then wasn't LE at the Horman home after that?
Who could possibly have been in the white truck that hour of the morning, and is there any relevence of it to this case?

 

[shorty42404]

Speaking of DD...

They were very specific in wanting to know about possible sightings of Kaine Horman's truck, no mention of any other vehicles. HMMM...

Unless you include the fact that they want to identify the identity of a witness who parked their vehicle 8:15am to 8:45am on June 4th specifically on south side of the parking lot immediately off NW Skyline Blvd (per the 3rd dude that spoke, sorry I forget his name). That doesn't sound like they are looking for Kaine's truck, but someone else's vehicle.

 

[goatman]

From the video, Gates gave a good answer to this when someone asked about why the info was coming out now instead of earlier in the investigation.. and I can't quote directly but I jotted down notes:

He said the sheer magnitude of information they have in the case is incredible, as they proceed, and it's a very productive investigation, they come back to rechecking and refocusing, deeming what info is necessary to come out.

So I think what he's saying is pieces of the puzzle didn't fit just yet when they received information.. and when they did, it was then deemed necessary to share with the public.

I understand your position, however the way I heard the PR was that LE wanted people to call in with their car, tags, name and where they parked. IMO LE should already have had this information in the immediate aftermath of the disappearance. And this was what I was discussing (sorry for not clarifying) in my post.

IMO reconstructing the parking lot at the last place that a child is seen shouldn't be done only after 'tips' come in ...it should be automatic.

 

[Jules71]

I am confused about this "white truck" thing! I have read it mentioned about a white truck on the day, and then a white truck at around 2am-3am??? If this is true, would these be two separate vehicles, or the same one that TH was driving? I imagine if there was sighting of a white truck in the early hours of the morning, that TH would not be driving it, because Kyron was missing in the afternoon after school was out. And then wasn't LE at the Horman home after that?
Who could possibly have been in the white truck that hour of the morning, and is there any relevence of it to this case?

I believe there is an entire thread on the subject.

ETA: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107311&highlight=jim+kelley

I think there might be other threads too. ETA2: Here it is: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106903&highlight=jim+kelley

 

[shorty42404]

I understand your position, however the way I heard the PR was that LE wanted people to call in with their car, tags, name and where they parked. IMO LE should already have had this information in the immediate aftermath of the disappearance. And this was what I was discussing (sorry for not clarifying) in my post.

IMO reconstructing the parking lot at the last place that a child is seen shouldn't be done only after 'tips' come in ...it should be automatic.

Just curious, do you know how LE runs an investigation and that's why you believe they should have done this immediately? To me, the answer Gates gave in general answers this question of the "why didn't this happen then, or why didn't they do this" ..etc. That's why I posted that.

And just to clarify, I am absolutely not being sassy like hands on my hip "well do you know how an investigation is run?" just so you don't think I'm being smart, that's not how I roll!

I actually want to know if you know that. :smile:

 

[goatman]

Just curious, do you know how LE runs an investigation and that's why you believe they should have done this immediately? To me, the answer Gates gave in general answers this question of the "why didn't this happen then, or why didn't they do this" ..etc. That's why I posted that.

And just to clarify, I am absolutely not being sassy like hands on my hip "well do you know how an investigation is run?" just so you don't think I'm being smart, that's not how I roll!

I actually want to know if you know that. :smile:

No, I am not LE if that is what you are asking. BUT, from a common sense point of view, this would make the most sense to me. Let's think back to June 4th when LE had at that point nothing really to focus on TH...so it would make sense that the first thing you do after you realize that he didn't just wander off is to reconstruct the scene, who was there, where did they park, was there anyone out of place. You do it when people's memories are fresh and untainted.

 

[shorty42404]

No, I am not LE if that is what you are asking. BUT, from a common sense point of view, this would make the most sense to me. Let's think back to June 4th when LE had at that point nothing really to focus on TH...so it would make sense that the first thing you do after you realize that he didn't just wander off is to reconstruct the scene, who was there, where did they park, was there anyone out of place. You do it when people's memories are fresh and untainted.

Ok, gotcha. And no I didn't think you to be LE just maybe you knew a little bit about how they run things. Thanks for clarifying!

 

[sweetheart29]

I found it very interesting that they specifically referred to the white truck "belonging to Kaine Horman." And that they never ever mentioned TH by name. They never even said "driven by TH." (I think I heard 99% of it.)

Why? I wonder if maybe TH's lawyer has been raising heck behind the scenes.

Did they borrow Kaine's truck for those photos? If so, when?

Funny thing, it was all about the truck and individuals "associated with" the truck, seen in or around, apparently.

I am not, not, not, not not inferring anything, but are they certain Kaine was at work? I've been trying to figure out who and why might have gotten into the truck at the school, if anyone did. It gets down to: was the truck locked or not? If it was locked, she needed the key or the clicker to get back in, and anyone else needed their key/clicker to get in. (Caveat: my Ford Explorer has buttons on the driver's side door where I can key in the combination and get in w/out my keys.)

Where was MC that day? I don't believe that he just magically appeared on the scene when he interjected himself big time into the case.

I have a couple of different scenarios for who might have gotten in the truck and why. Maybe I'll find the right thread to post them. I had someone at the house and they just left so I'm catching up.

You would have to have the key chain clicker or the key to unlock the doors on that truck it does not have a key pad on the door. That truck would stand out at least here it would. It has four full doors and a long bed. I know when I bought mine the dealership did not have a four door long bed on the lot that why I have a extended cab long. Its more common to see a four door truck with a short bed on.

 

[angelswatchoverthem]

I thought it was said on the presser that a witness had come forward, (This was in the last part of the presser, and said by the LE person from the sherrifs office), sorry i can't remember his name unless i go back and watch the footage again, and they are trying to verify this with other people who may have seen the same thing, i would imagine to further fit all the pieces of the information together?

 

[angelswatchoverthem]

I believe there is an entire thread on the subject.

ETA: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107311&highlight=jim+kelley

I think there might be other threads too. ETA2: Here it is: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106903&highlight=jim+kelley

Thanks, I will go and read.

 

[sarx]

I'm sure it's in one of these threads, but was Kaine accounted for during the time frame?

And what was Kaine driving if she had the truck? They were still on good terms at this point I gather?

 

[Aedrys]

No, I am not LE if that is what you are asking. BUT, from a common sense point of view, this would make the most sense to me. Let's think back to June 4th when LE had at that point nothing really to focus on TH...so it would make sense that the first thing you do after you realize that he didn't just wander off is to reconstruct the scene, who was there, where did they park, was there anyone out of place. You do it when people's memories are fresh and untainted.

How do you know they didn't recreate that parking lot, and just now got new information that said something different? I highly doubt they waited until now to recreate that parking lot. I'm guessing some new information came up that changed what their initial impression of where she parked was, like maybe a witness who saw the truck in a different place. In an investigation, you don't have all of the information at once - that would be nice, but that's not how it works. Information keeps coming in everyday, and someone has to sort it and decide if it's worth attaching to the case. Common sense wise, they are doing their job and something different came up, or they are wanting more verification than just the one witness. I don't see how that is unreasonable.

 

[adh74]

I haven't had a chance to read every single post here and I admit I don't know everything about the case.

But I just saw this article, and it may be old news to some, but I see from this article that the 'Old Germantown Road' that LE is asking IF anyone saw Kaine's truck that day is the location where dd was SUPPOSED to be working.

JMHO
fran

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/kyron_horman_case_investigator.html

Spicher's employer and another person working at the 40-acre property on Northwest Old Germantown Road had told authorities that DeDe Spicher abruptly was gone on June 4 when the owners and other worker called her in for lunch that was being provided.

Perhaps TH handed Kyron off to DDS and then DDS handed him off to a third person (who probably left town)? But what about the second person in the white truck? Hmmm...

 

[nursebeeme]

they called it Kaine's truck because it IS Kaine's truck

they didn't mention TH's name because they don't want to taint any info they are trying to elicit. (anyone seeing cars in certain locations at certain times)

 

[goatman]

How do you know they didn't recreate that parking lot, and just now got new information that said something different? I highly doubt they waited until now to recreate that parking lot. I'm guessing some new information came up that changed what their initial impression of where she parked was, like maybe a witness who saw the truck in a different place. In an investigation, you don't have all of the information at once - that would be nice, but that's not how it works. Information keeps coming in everyday, and someone has to sort it and decide if it's worth attaching to the case. Common sense wise, they are doing their job and something different came up, or they are wanting more verification than just the one witness. I don't see how that is unreasonable.

They are not only asking about where the truck was seen however. They are asking (snipped by me):"IF YOU PARKED YOUR VEHICLE IN THAT DESCRIBED AREA PLEASE CONTACT LAW ENFORCEMENT WITH YOUR NAME, PHONE NUMBER, THE YEAR, MAKE & MODEL, COLOR, AND LICENSE PLATE NUMBER OF THE VEHICLE PARKED IN THE SCHOOL LOT." http://www.koinlocal6.com/media/lib...-01f9f9bb7ca0/081110_PressConferenceFlier.pdf

IF they had reconstructed the parking lot and where people were, they would already know this information. IMO.

ETA: A witness could have come forward and said something like "I saw the truck parked here b/w a red car and a blue minivan (random vehicles) but LE should already know whose vehicles those are. IF LE had aerial footage of the parking lot (and that is why they didn't reconstruct it) then in the immediate aftermath they should have asked people to identify their cars so that those that weren't identified could be 'zoned in'.

 

[sarx]

There may be cars that they can't account for. Ones that don't belong to parents, etc and are trying to figure out who they belong to?

 

[goatman]

There may be cars that they can't account for. Ones that don't belong to parents, etc and are trying to figure out who they belong to?

Which in my opinion should have been one of the first things done...if (and that is a big if) this was a stranger abduction, the abductor now has had a 2 month head start.

 

[Billylee]

They are not only asking about where the truck was seen however. They are asking (snipped by me):"IF YOU PARKED YOUR VEHICLE IN THAT DESCRIBED AREA PLEASE CONTACT LAW ENFORCEMENT WITH YOUR NAME, PHONE NUMBER, THE YEAR, MAKE & MODEL, COLOR, AND LICENSE PLATE NUMBER OF THE VEHICLE PARKED IN THE SCHOOL LOT." http://www.koinlocal6.com/media/lib...-01f9f9bb7ca0/081110_PressConferenceFlier.pdf

IF they had reconstructed the parking lot and where people were, they would already know this information. IMO.

ETA: A witness could have come forward and said something like "I saw the truck parked here b/w a red car and a blue minivan (random vehicles) but LE should already know whose vehicles those are. IF LE had aerial footage of the parking lot (and that is why they didn't reconstruct it) then in the immediate aftermath they should have asked people to identify their cars so that those that weren't identified could be 'zoned in'.

Someone speaking from a LE perspective on HLN today said what he thinks that means is that if MCSO is contacted by someone they want to verify that someone was actually there. However, if there were no video cams there, how could that be done? I wonder if there are pictures people may have taken in the parking lot with their cells that day of some of the comings and goings of the kids and maybe they have some parts of the parking area on photo? Dunno doesn't make a lot of sense to me otherwise.

 

[mrsc72]

I work nights and recently woke up and am catching up. I just watched the raw video and beginning at 1:46 they do say the focus is on KH's truck, which was driven by TH on the morning of June 4th... That, to me, means that they know KH couldn't have been and must have been at work that morning as been stated all along.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/kyron_horman_case_investigator.html

 

[TxLady2]

No, I am not LE if that is what you are asking. BUT, from a common sense point of view, this would make the most sense to me. Let's think back to June 4th when LE had at that point nothing really to focus on TH...so it would make sense that the first thing you do after you realize that he didn't just wander off is to reconstruct the scene, who was there, where did they park, was there anyone out of place. You do it when people's memories are fresh and untainted.

I see your point, but I would think that would be a little hard to do, if you mean having everyone who left after the science fair to come back and park in the exact spot they did that morning. Not to mention it would be a little chaotic, because inevitably some are not going to remember the exact space, just the general area and some are going to get into an argument, thinking the other person is in the space they were in.
I went to WalMart today, but if I were told to go back and park in the same space I did earlier, I couldn't. I could find the lane I parked in and maybe within 2 or 3 spaces, but probably not the same one.
I really don't see why it would be necessary to try to recreate the scene on the parking lot, anyway. It would be more productive to try to contact everyone who was there. The vehicles didn't kidnap Kyron... a person did.
I think the reason they are asking for people who parked there, is so that someone who hasn't kept up with the news MIGHT remember the white truck, and note when it was moved, and/or identify whoever was in the truck while Terri was in the school.
Also, one witness is good, but two or more is even better. They like to have corroboration, it increases the chances of the jury believing that person.
JMHO