Whitney Houston passed away on 2/11/12 - Part 2

[daisy.faithfull]

Taking an upper and a downer together will cause your heart to stop. Maybe not the first time, but it will. The upper cranks your body and mind really fast and hard, the downer mellows that out a bit, and may - I don't know-help with the really hard crash of the upper. I think the combo may prolong the upper. Crack/cocaine/meth users could keep doing a dose every few minutes to keep that high going. If something is added to prolong perceived effect, you have a problem.

I believe it was called speedballing in the '70's.

Whitney is said to have been to another rehab, (I think she only did outpatient which I have only heard of methodone clinics for that so who knows why kind of rehab), in May 2011. She was said to be okay at first while filming Sparkle, but started using noticeably during filming.

I am sorry about your friends. I wish I could have helped mine, I helped one years later, but most do not want help and addiction rules - makes them angry and violently so, along with the stealing, lying, bumming, you name it ugliness. I hate to see it bring good people down so far and they cannot kick it.

I'm sorry you've lost loved ones too.

I don't think there's anything we can do for addicts until they make the decision to get and stay clean themselves. I really didn't get much in the way of plea's for help either, I can't imagine how much worse that makes it for survivors because you feel so much regret and helplessness while they are using, let alone after they have passed.

I wish this stuff didn't happen. I get angry at drugs, addiction, at docs that prescribe pills recklessly. Actually I think that the AA/NA celebrations that I've been to are very healing because you see what the other side is like, that there is hope, especially since sometimes many people's anniversary are celebrated at one time. It makes me reflect on how no matter what a person is facing, even if they aren't an addict, hope and change and getting back on your feet is so possible.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Whitney Houston coverage on Inside Edition now in some venues. Talking about BK's "disappearance", BB's behavior at funeral, no-show Aretha, etc.

Text and video will be available at: http://www.insideedition.com/

 

[daisy.faithfull]

I read somewhere the other day that she was using on the set of Sparkle, I cannot remember where. I also read that the Bobbi K tub incident was a suicide attempt, again cannot remember where, I've been all over the internet this week on Whitney stuff. That could have sent WH into reality for a moment.

I think she wanted a come back, but I think she also thought she was still all that and it may have been too much to find out she was not anymore. A comeback was not going to be 20 year old Whitney either. With a boyfriend about the age of her daughter she may have gotten trapped in time when the drugs began and did not realize she was not the same person for herself, her daughter, or a comeback that she was when she was 20. The conversation Clive Davis mentioned at the funeral sounded unrealistic - the one about getting back in shape, getting the high notes back, being ready by August. He knew it too. She also asked El DeBarge to help her stay clean the night before she died, everyone knew she wasn't. Especially Clive.

Whitney always tried to outspin spin by denial. Unfortunately that does not work when everything you do is captured on film and audio.

Regarding the suicide attempt: Have they said how long she was in the hospital? They should have kept her longer, maybe they did a 24hr. observation and then released her if she refused rehab if that was their recommendation.

Being trapped in time makes sense. When she burt into Brandy's interview with the wet hair maybe she wanted to bring attention to how well she was doing even though that obviously was not the case. Every once in awhile ('because sometimes they are clunkers) I watch Dr. Drew's daytime show and recently the Debarges on. So tragic. I think some or all went to treatment following the show and at least one of them walked right out of treatment.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

BK was chubby all through childhood and then the next thing we knew she was thin. I really hope that wasn't a result of drug use. Some kids have a growth spurt at puberty and slim down as they reach their teens. I really hope that is what happened with her, or that she dieted and got the weight off, and that it's not from drug use.

It's pretty obvious when Whitney was and wasn't using crack based on her weight. It was also shocking when Diane Sawyer showed Whitney that picture of her looking skeletal and you could tell Whitney saw nothing wrong with the way she looked in that picture. You could say she was pretending not to think she was too thin in the picture, but I really got the sense that she really thought she looked fine. Scary.

That sounds consistent with an eating disorder. I wonder if that could have been something that fueled an addiction to an upper, or maybe something that got her started using coke all those years ago?

It did upset me to see the pic and comments on WH's stomach in the dm just before she died.

Just had another thought. I wonder if Whitney was attempting to make herself not look high on crack etc. by doing the prescription drugs, took to many because they weren't working like she wanted them too and she just kept doing more until she overdosed.

 

[kato]

Sadly I think a lot of damage was done. She did a lot of drugs! She admitted on Oprah that one day she realized she had been in her pajamas and sitting on the couch for seven months! We know the drug use/abuse was longer than that. So heart, lungs, were in trouble. Liver if it goes through it as the doc said he tested for on all patients, he could not say about WH. I imagine there was some artery and brain damage too. I have realized that smoking crack is what destroyed her voice, not just age. Ever talk to a raspy voiced crack head? It must just burn layers.

(I wouldn't mind seven months in pj's without having to work, just saying, lol.)

ETA: Just saw the question about relapse. That could mean instant death if doing the same dose you did when you quit and not easing back into it, at least on heroin it does, so I've seen. 23 and 24 years old.

Not only did the drugs damage her voice but also smoking cigarettes. I remember because I was diagnosed with emphysema last year and I asked the doctor if he was kidding. He said no. I'm in my 40's and thought only older people (60's and up) got it. I don't consider myself a heavy smoker. Then I read last year that WH was diagnosed & Amy Winehouse at 27 was diagnosed with it also. Like a DUMB*SS I'm still puffing away. I've been told it's hell to die from and sometimes is worse than dying of cancer.

 

[kato]

So she couldn't have gone to the funeral and done the concert? All I'm saying is, if she was well enough to do a concert, she was well enough to go to Whitney's funeral, and she should have been there.

I just saw on "Inside Edition" (take it however you want) that AF was disinvited because of a remark she made On the "Today" show about how parents really need to talk to their kids about drugs before they grow up & leave home. So, maybe Cissy thought AF was blaming or insulting her. Who knows? We may never know.

 

[kato]

I just saw on "Inside Edition" (take it however you want) that AF was disinvited because of a remark she made On the "Today" show about how parents really need to talk to their kids about drugs before they grow up & leave home. So, maybe Cissy thought AF was blaming or insulting her. Who knows? We may never know.

Ooops. Just read a post before mine already addressing this subject.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

Not only did the drugs damage her voice but also smoking cigarettes. I remember because I was diagnosed with emphysema last year and I asked the doctor if he was kidding. He said no. I'm in my 40's and thought only older people (60's and up) got it. I don't consider myself a heavy smoker. Then I read last year that WH was diagnosed & Amy Winehouse at 27 was diagnosed with it also. Like a DUMB*SS I'm still puffing away. I've been told it's hell to die from and sometimes is worse than dying of cancer.

I haven't seen that first hand but a friend of mine watched their mom die of lung cancer and from what I've heard it is a horrible, horrible way to go, worse than other cancers.

I smoked when I was younger, I'm really glad I quit especially since it looks like cigarettes cost an arm and a leg these days.

 

[katydid23]

Again, it's easy to say someone should cancel a concert. But doing so puts hundreds of people out of work for the day, most of whom never knew Whitney Houston personally. How is that right?

I agree. It is not like the funeral was in any need of more talent. There were plenty of A list singers and celebrities in the four hour extravaganza. Aretha is old and in poor health. I see no problem with her decision to stick with her original plans. imo

 

[stilettos]

His children, who spent 14-15 years of their lives with Whitney as their step-mother should have been a "given".
Why would he feel he should call ahead to make sure his children would have a seat?
They were a part of Whitney's life for a lot longer and a lot closer than most in that church.

His new wife and subsequent children were not a part of Whitney's life. Watching Being Bobby Briwn it appeared that only two of Bobby's children would have been a part of Whitney's life. So respecting the dead and all that Bobby should have had a party of two plus himself. Nine was pushing the boundaries of decency. It has been reported that Bobby brought his new wife and their children with him in addition to teh other two children and others.

 

[Elphaba]

...and the cashing in begins:

http://www.tmz.com/2012/02/20/whitney-houston-funeral-family-sells-footage/

 

[Luzianne]

...and the cashing in begins:

http://www.tmz.com/2012/02/20/whitney-houston-funeral-family-sells-footage/

Well crap. That makes me think that the plan the entire time was to sell footage of the funeral. I just hope the proceeds do in fact benefit Bobbi Kristina, and not Bobby Brown.

 

[21merc7]

Wow, I missed a lot here today, a friend came over.

I am so sorry about the emphysema Kato. I too thought it was for at least your 60's. , I fear the same for myself, allergies are out of control, breathing hard in the heat. Only mid 40's. Let us know if you find something that helps. We also looked up Minnie Ripperton while my friend was here, she died of breast cancer at 31, that is why we had no more songs from her. 31!

While I irritated the friend and had to go through a lot of videos to appease the Whitney conversation, he had no experience with drug addicts until another friend relapsed, he didn't know him before relapse, and lived in his garage. I had tried to explain, but experience is the only way to know I guess. The garage is just a shell, just walls and a cement floor. This person did a lot of bad things to the friend.

My friend said some things that make me understand he still does not get it, but he pointed out a video. This was supposed to be stand up comedy, so I am thinking the people there were a bit stunned. My friend wonders why Pryor did not do a movie with these characters. I told my friend I don't think people that have never been around drug users want to know.

This is kind of close to knowing a drug user. **Warning, there may be foul language, or just upsetting. It is just an act but close***

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMR7i7pk8po&feature=related"]Richard Pryor Live And Smoking 1971 clip4 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[kato]

...and the cashing in begins:

http://www.tmz.com/2012/02/20/whitney-houston-funeral-family-sells-footage/

They won't be getting any money from me cuz I recorded the WHOLE thing.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

Another source from the funeral says that it was her father, Bobby Brown, who really put Bobbi Kristina over the edge. He arrived at the funeral with an entourage of nine people, including two of his children from another marriage, and wanted all of them to sit with the Houston family. When the family refused to make room for all his people, he left the funeral.

http://www.mcall.com/entertainment/...igh-after-mother-whi-20120219,0,5579269.story

 

[21merc7]

That sounds consistent with an eating disorder. I wonder if that could have been something that fueled an addiction to an upper, or maybe something that got her started using coke all those years ago?

It did upset me to see the pic and comments on WH's stomach in the dm just before she died.

Just had another thought. I wonder if Whitney was attempting to make herself not look high on crack etc. by doing the prescription drugs, took to many because they weren't working like she wanted them too and she just kept doing more until she overdosed.

I am sorry to tell you it was no eating disorder.

WH did not want people to know she was on the very "negative" drugs. She lied, until she told Oprah, even though it was clear to all.

I think prescription drugs were an attempt to hide the continued addiction, everyone still knew. I do think she got clean for time periods.

**Graphic comments below**

I don't think anyone is ever free from heroin or crack. Simply a reason to never try them. We were shown photos by the police from police files in my high school of people that did these drugs that I can never forget, and nightmare stories. Both reduce you to bones, one makes you pick your skin to sores all over. Your skin also changes naturally on both, one lady's skin started to turn black - like decomp. One woman microwaved her newborn while high. Shock therapy in a way. I guess I had better stop now. I am grateful we saw all those police files.

 

[21merc7]

Well crap. That makes me think that the plan the entire time was to sell footage of the funeral. I just hope the proceeds do in fact benefit Bobbi Kristina, and not Bobby Brown.

You have a good point. Perhaps the attention drawn to himself is for a purpose. He never could take it that WH was more than he on the $$$ front.

 

[doubt]

http://www.tmz.com/2012/02/20/whitney-houston-family-hotel-room-looters/#.T0Ises7RCwg

Being curious about this kind of thing, I went to ebay. There is already a "rose" dress up for sale. Who could have a dress of Whitney's to sell?

and i guess everyone's heard they're selling rights to the funeral footage.

my question is.......when will someone suggest that this, too, is bobby brown's fault?

seriously, if this isn't enough to convince people that whitney houston's family is not what they'd have you believe, well........just wow.

 

[21merc7]

and i guess everyone's heard they're selling rights to the funeral footage.

my question is.......when will someone suggest that this, too, is bobby brown's fault?

seriously, if this isn't enough to convince people that whitney houston's family is not what they'd have you believe, well........just wow.

Good idea. I think that the people with a dress would be more the industry a.k.a. the machine. If it is really a dress she wore. Anyone could make one and try to sell it on ebay. Sotheby's or something to that standard would be where to look for an WH things for auction.

 

[doubt]

Because he arrived with 9 PEOPLE!!! When he was told to only have TWO people. He deliberately disrespected the Houston family by showing up with the 9 people. He could have taken steps to try to call the family the night prior to see if arrangement's can be made. That way there would have been no scene on Saturday. That's why I have such an issue with him! This was suppose to be about Whitney Houston, not Bobbi Brown, and he clearly made it about him. He complained that he was asked to move 3 different times, well what do you expect when you show up with 7 extra people?? He thought that he could run things! He thought that the rules didn't apply to him he waltzed right in there expecting to just be accommodated.. And then complaining about trying to talk to Bobbi Kristina, and the Houston family wanted nothing to do with that. I would guess not! This is the same man that wanted absolutely nothing to do with Bobbi Kristina for the past several years, now all of a sudden he wants everything to do with her when money is on the table! Something is fishy!

I do not like how handled this among other things!

why do you automatically assume that he was told he could bring 2 people. at first it was reported he was only supposed to bring 1. and please link me to the list of the 9 people he brought. he admitted he took ''his family.'' the only ones identified were his adult children and his fiance, all of whom have relationships with B Kristina and had relationships with Whitney.

you are right, it was handled horribly. but NOT by him. period. he was the ONLY one who actually behaved like an adult.