Who do you believe? Dr. G or Dr. S?

[crucibelle]

In fact, Dr. Spitz stated that he did have a sample of those scrapings, but did not have a lab to send them to.

He has been working in his field for 56 years and yet he could not find a lab that would perform tests for him?

Why not?

Perhaps because he knew the results would come back as plain ol' dirt rather than "brain dust". :floorlaugh:

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

I'm not looking for you to make me happy, and I couldn't care less if you think Dr Spitz did well today; I care about erroneous statements passed off as fact.

Thank you, Turnadot, you said this brilliantly. I am open to and would eagerly pursue trying and convicting any and everyone who might be involved in this crime, as is the stated motive of all of these arguments. But for me, it takes real facts, not just a famous doctor's reputation and a layman's paraphrasing to believe that the facts, as already gathered and presented by the state, are wrong or insufficient. I am not about trying to change anyone else's opinion; I just want to make sure mine is solid and that I'm not overlooking anything.
:tyou:

 

[joypath]

Last we heard of them they were stored at the Funeral Home for several weeks before the second autopsy was done, and then again after the autopsy, it was several weeks before the memorial service or disposition of the remains was announced.

:twocents: IIRC the remains were turned over to the funeral home the DAY of identificaion 12/19 ? ....Dr. Spitz performed his examination on or about 12/24.
Permission for the cremation was given by the OME 12/31

Memorial: February, 2009? very foggy on THAT detail:banghead:

 

[IfIMay]

sorry, I meant to say; only child missing in the area at the time.

I agree if you mean "neighborhood". Trenton Duckett was also missing at the time from Central Florida. He's still missing. ::sad::

 

[ZsaZsa]

And that's actually written by our own JWG,not Valhall, though both always deliver!:great:

Thankyou Miss James.That was my oversight,and I had just read it...

 

[grandmaj]

You know an autopsy takes only hours. There was no reason for the remains of this child to sit in a funeral home for a long time after Dr. S did his autopsy. I need to go back I want to say it was months before Mr. Baez allowed for the cremation of Caylee.

The Memorial Service was on February 13 , 2009 I believe, because her Memorial Service was airing on TV when it was being flashed on the screen that Haleigh Cummings was missing.

 

[joypath]

I'm not looking for you to make me happy, and I couldn't care less if you think Dr Spitz did well today; I care about erroneous statements passed off as fact.

:rocker: AMEN...thanks was NOT enough! and for some of us, I :innocent: believe you just gave the reason WHY we post & participate!:rocker:


IMHO, of course!:woohoo::woohoo:

 

[celticthyme]

What is the accepted practice for allowing the defense team to be in the room, even assisting, in the autopsy of the victim? I wondered the same thing about the crime scene.

To me that just seems wrong. If it were my child, I would be upset that the person accused of killing them, wanted to have their defense team there.

I know this case is different because the accused is the victim's mom, but just wondering if this is done.

We just need to keep remembering, at the time the remains were found, and of the autopsy, the remains had not been identified! They had no right to a "stranger's" recovery and autopsy.

The fact that Casey reacted as she did, and Baez hightailed it to the jail, to me proves Casey knew whose remains those were, and where they were, because she put them there, and she had told Baez that.

Until the results of the autopsy were returned, they could not positively identify who it was.

 

[lordmisrule]

So, who's testimony did you find more credible about the remains? Dr. G. or Dr. S? IMO, Dr. S made himself completely unreliable by being all over the map with his answers when a simple statement of fact would have sufficed, contradicting himself numerous times and skirting the questioning when asked to clarify, and pulling the old "I can't remember." card when he didn't want to answer. And, of course, the whole ME staged the scene for pics ploy. My vote goes to Dr. G for these reasons. I'd love to know what everyone else think.

After the cross from Ashton of Dr. S - definitely Dr. G. She came across as the most credible. She knew all aspects of the case, unlike Dr. Spitz. She was extremely passionate, and gave Mason a lesson in what not to ask a witness on cross exam. For Pete's sake, Dr. S. did not even know the grandparents' names, let alone Caylee's. He is resting on his laurels, and does not even care about the victims, or performing a proper investigation. He came across as so arrogant - almost as if his opinion is the only one that is correct and should matter. Ashton was absolutely briliant in his cross, I was afraid before he started, but when he asked the first series of questions, I knew Dr. S. was going down. It was almost painful to watch, Ashton succeeded in showing the jury that Dr. S. testimony could not be relied upon. In the WFTV video of Scheaffer's analysis of the today's trial with Belich, Belich stated that she spoke to Dr. S. directly after his testimony was over, and Dr. S. said that Ashton did well. Which is something from a guy who has been on the stands so many times.

 

[dilbert]

I agree if you mean "neighborhood". Trenton Duckett was also missing at the time from Central Florida. He's still missing. ::sad::

That is sad and I hope he is found some day, hopefully not in a laundry bag that the Anthony's used to own

 

[BritsKate]

Residue of brain. Well What could he do? Dr G had the luxury of using states funds to access the services of a lab not Dr S.

The defense had roughly $324,000 at their disposal before their client plead indigency and they started receiving state funds themselves.

Also...'Dr. S says...'

To be fair Dr. Spitz states it is normal protocol to cut the calvarium in an autopsy of skeletal remains however several websleuthers, myself included, are unable to find any PROOF of that anywhere despite hours and hours of searching.

Been all over this all day - links to support our findings are in our previous posts.

 

[grandmaj]

Probably because Ashton realized how utterly ridiculous it sounded and that the jury probably wasn't buying it. I suppose it would have been better for him to delve into that issue further, however.

When a witness makes a big error like that it is what you want the jury to remember. I listen to Bill Shaeffer allot. And he said Baez has made points from time to time but then doesn't know when to sit down. Kinda like LDB the other day when she asked that one question. So would it be your opinion that Caylee Anthony's body was found in a trash dump. Then she sat down.

Accusing another doctor of altering evidence will not be taken kindly by this jury. The impact of that statement along with all of the other theories not scientifically backed up by Dr. S left this jury thinking WTH. I believe that. Jeff knew he had rattled the Dr. enough and to let the full impact of that unfounded accusation without one ounce of proof stand. The jury saw the picture we didn't. And Jeff wouldn't have shown the picture if he thought it would not stand on its own merit.

 

[IfIMay]

That is sad and I hope he is found some day, hopefully not in a laundry bag that the Anthony's used to own

who knows? Cindy said they used to have 4 of them. Casey could have been practicing for all we know. God bless little Trenton.

 

[Turnadot]

who knows? Cindy said they used to have 4 of them. Casey could have been practicing for all we know. God bless little Trenton.

OT alert!

I love your username.

When I see it, I think...if I might.

 

[nitasch]

Not sure this has been mentioned or not... Dr. Spitz also criticized Dr. G's autopsy by stating he had assumed they would have taken samples of the bone marrow for testing, but he realized they had not done so, which he felt was a big mis-step / errror. BUT he did not take a sample of the marrow either....(unless I totally missed it) Surprised JA did not bring that up...

You cannot claim someone did the wrong procedures, and then not complete it yourself...

 

[MissJames]

Folks, the concern shouldn't be how to defeat DT or to support SA, rather it should be finding the truth. This is not a football match.

A few mistakes by Dr S doesn't make him incompetent. State did a mistake by denying him access to autopsy. He does have a point in opening the skull and testing the residue inside as in another case the found traces of sleeping pills in that residue. Ok he talked about a non-existent protocol. So what? Now is anything else he says also incorrect?

DT has a goal to acquit KC of charges no matter what, tricks, lies, etc.
However does SA have a goal of getting KC convicted no matter what?

Those of you who hated Baez for holding the title of Mr Overruled should begin to hate JA for exactly same reason now.

BBM

That is NOT why I hate JB.

Furthermore,he called Dr. G's work shoddy based on that non-existant protocol.
There's a long list of "anything else" ,but I'm too tired to start.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Dr. Spitz accusing the ME's of "shoddy" work really is a low ball shot in order to defend Casey. Low low ball. There's not enough words I could say about the defense utilizing Spitz. As far as Spitz, well it's obvious to me how much he prepared for Caylee's trial. He had updates from the defense and was fed the info after his observation. Shame on the defense...how they sleep at night, I'll never know.

I'm going with Dr. G's version. The pictures, it's all in the shot and angle. Shame on that man for saying someone disturbed it but I'd have to see what he was shown vs. all the State has that he saw.

I'm going with Dr. G is a true pro, Dr. S is just full of history, and the defense has now made me really mad! Shame on them!

 

[BritsKate]

Not sure this has been mentioned or not... Dr. Spitz also criticized Dr. G's autopsy by stating he had assumed they would have taken samples of the bone marrow for testing, but he realized they had not done so, which he felt was a big mis-step / errror. BUT he did not take a sample of the marrow either....(unless I totally missed it) Surprised JA did not bring that up...

You cannot claim someone did the wrong procedures, and then not complete it yourself...

AHHHH (not directed at you)

Dr. G DID take marrow samples from Caylee's tibia. It is in the autopsy report. I have NO clue why Dr. Spitz felt he needed to cut the calvarium to obtain bone marrow...he was a bit flummoxed trying to answer that one.

And I believe JA did point out bone marrow was taken IIRC but I've been awake a long long time so I could be wrong on that.

 

[rhornsby]

If so, what about the ears? IIRC the duct tape was over the hair on the sides and not under to block anything from the ears.

Purge does not come out of the ears, as the ear canal is not connected to the digestive or respiratory tracts.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

His testimony is probably still being transcribed, but if I find it, you'll be the first to know. :}

Actually, I think you're right in that he made some indication of what you are saying but he did not have it analyzed by any lab. So it is not a fact. As an example of the same type of statement is the fact that he claimed the hair was sticky with adipocere. Under further questioning, he admitted that he never even saw the hair ~ only pictures of it.

If this man can analyze a residue and identify what it is without seeing a lab report and look at a picture and say something is sticky ~ He thinks he is not only an anthropological medical examiner, but he thinks he's God, too.

After the sticky hair business, how can anyone have confidence in any of his other visual based conclusions, i.e.; the stain inside the skull?