Who do you believe? Dr. G or Dr. S?

[dilbert]

Did anyone watch Kathy B and Bill S's analysis of the day? Kathy said she talked to Dr. Spitz after he got off the stand and he said he thought the prosecution did a good job questioning him, and he thanked Jeff Ashton on the way out of the courtroom.
She also asked if JA humiliated him and he said; "no", and Kathy left it at that.

I thought that was interesting.

http://www.wftv.com/video/28281980/index.html

 

[grandmaj]

I thought that is how they got her DNA was from the marrow? And I also thought the marrow was tested for chloroform and it was not conclusive for any drugs. I remember him saying she would not have expected drugs in her bone marrow after 6 months unless it had been administered over a long period of time. Someone help me.....

I think the State will call Dr. G and she will be the last authority. Mason didn't shake her the firs time she was a good witness he won't shake her testimony.

 

[The Eunice Burns]

Sorry if this has been stated already.....

IMO, Dr. Spitz came across as *just another trial I'm testifying at*.
Dr. G came across as someone who was very familiar w/ the case. As she should be, since it was in her jurisdiction. But, more than that, she came across as someone who CARED, truly, about what happened to Caylee. Aside from being precise and complete in her testimony, she was also outraged about what happened to Caylee Marie. I did not get that feeling at all from Dr. Spitz. The jury has to see this disparity.

Also, Dr. Spitz couldn't remember who he talked to in the home? The Anthony's right, Dr. Spitz? Seriously? That's just one of the reasons I think this was just another case to him, another paycheck, and more TV time.

MO

 

[txsvicki]

I believe both Dr. G. and Dr. S., and also believe the bug guy on some areas. There can be some truth in the things that the experts have to say, and I believe it should all be looked at, then other explanations offered and backed up with experience and common sense. For example, Dr. S. believes the duct tape would have evidence of Caylee if it had been stuck on at the time of death, but he also says that he could handle the bones without gloves, that there was nothing at all to contaminate. If the tape had lost the adhesive, then he needs to explain where the dna would be, especially after going through rains and 6" high water. Common sense could show that the skull could have floated or debris washed in and turned it upright, or upside down.

 

[BritsKate]

I thought that is how they got her DNA was from the marrow? And I also thought the marrow was tested for chloroform and it was not conclusive for any drugs. I remember him saying she would not have expected drugs in her bone marrow after 6 months unless it had been administered over a long period of time. Someone help me.....

I think the State will call Dr. G and she will be the last authority. Mason didn't shake her the firs time she was a good witness he won't shake her testimony.

From the autopsy report, page 9:
Right tibia to FBI for DNA analysis
Left femur for toxicology

It states small rectangular piece for the tibia and a fragment of the femur for tox. HTH

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0619/19802034.pdf

 

[sleutherontheside]

Purge does not come out of the ears, as the ear canal is not connected to the digestive or respiratory tracts.

Ear purge is usually hemorrhagic in nature, or caused by putrefaction, both of which create intercranial pressure.


http://www.iccfa.com/reading/2000-2009/embalming-z-purge

 

[MissJames]

I felt kind of bad for Dr. S this AM...My father in law is right around his age, in his carrer he was a genuine rocket scientist. He is still a very wise man due much respect, but his ability to comprehend and communicate is slipping rapidlly, and it saddens me to no end.

I try to take all emotion away when viewing this case, but I cannot help but feel compassion for a man who has accomplished so much in his life, and was demeaned by his testimony today.

I posted much the same on the trial thread today about my dad. Brilliant ,educated man and had total command of language until the end,but his reality was "off". You'd never convince him of that,though. Both sad and frustrating when that happens. He passed away last June.

 

[erinleigh]

I wish I could remember, need to rewatch her testimony but I remember Dr G. addressed the reason she did not open the skull. Does anyone remember her acutal testimony? As for Dr S even though Im sure he has many credentials he lost me when it became clear he was there to only promote what the defense needed him to say. pool. check. body moved and "someone" placed duct tape after decomp. check. he was sticking to a script in that manner and had no real testimony to back up how the duct tape could be proven it was placed on skeleton

 

[BritsKate]

Sorry if this has been stated already.....

IMO, Dr. Spitz came across as *just another trial I'm testifying at*.
Dr. G came across as someone who was very familiar w/ the case. As she should be, since it was in her jurisdiction. But, more than that, she came across as someone who CARED, truly, about what happened to Caylee. Aside from being precise and complete in her testimony, she was also outraged about what happened to Caylee Marie. I did not get that feeling at all from Dr. Spitz. The jury has to see this disparity.

Also, Dr. Spitz couldn't remember who he talked to in the home? The Anthony's right, Dr. Spitz? Seriously? That's just one of the reasons I think this was just another case to him, another paycheck, and more TV time.

MO

JMO but to bounce off your post Magpie at Hinky has been in the courtroom and saw one juror respond to another that WS kept referring to Caylee as Casey. To my mind though perhaps a logical mixup due to the closeness of names the emotion that is palpable from the State is bound to affect the jurors every bit as much as the defense calling her the wrong name, 'the child', sub adult, etc.

I think Magpie's comment is suggestive that it already has.

 

[Jolynna]

Purge does not come out of the ears, as the ear canal is not connected to the digestive or respiratory tracts.

It doesn't look like taping over the face to stop up purge is even going to come up.

ICA's star medical examiner says, very emphatically, that the tape was attached to bone and hair. Way after purge.

And then JB said, in his opening statement, that George and RK got control of the body. ICA had boogied off to Tony's to disassociate and party by 4:30 p.m., June 16.

ICA's defense team is working like busy beavers coming up with pictures and experts to explain what THAT wouldn't work.

 

[mikeysmommom]

IMO The paid expert's need to keep in mind that a child's life has ended way to early,where are Caylee's rights?Doesn't she have the right to have her murderer pay for the crime that was committed against her? When defense experts tailor their testimony in the way the Bug guy(Mr Ring around the truth) and Dr.S seem to have done how is this justice?A defendant has the right to a fair trial not a fixed one.IMO a victim has a right to the truth.The truth will set you free but not if your guilty.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Purge does not come out of the ears, as the ear canal is not connected to the digestive or respiratory tracts.

I don't think that statement is correct. I'll check it out but I've had kids. I've seen macoroni out of noses and for some reason I've seen smoke out of ears. LOL It's connected, the respiratory tracts...

 

[MissJames]

Actually, I think you're right in that he made some indication of what you are saying but he did not have it analyzed by any lab. So it is not a fact. As an example of the same type of statement is the fact that he claimed the hair was sticky with adipocere. Under further questioning, he admitted that he never even saw the hair ~ only pictures of it.

If this man can analyze a residue and identify what it is without seeing a lab report and look at a picture and say something is sticky ~ He thinks he is not only an anthropological medical examiner, but he thinks he's God, too.

After the sticky hair business, how can anyone have confidence in any of his other visual based conclusions, i.e.; the stain inside the skull?

BBM

I think that's the most important point. If he's so wrong about one thing,how can you give credence to anything else he claims? And he was wrong about a lot of things ,IMO.
He made claims he could not back up and he contradicted himself repeatedly.

He obviously forgot who he got the info from ,of the circumstances surrounding Caylee's death. He was also very dismissive of that info,until JA pushed him.
Dr. G gave it weight and explained why it was important.
Dr. S found it more important to cut open an empty skull.

 

[grandmaj]

Ear purge is usually hemorrhagic in nature, or caused by putrefaction, both of which create intercranial pressure.


http://www.iccfa.com/reading/2000-2009/embalming-z-purge

Yes this is true. The ears will purge intercranial fluids. We see this now and then with embalmed clients.

 

[crucibelle]

My opinion: Dr. S made an :behind: out of himself on the stand today.

 

[allycat1208]

Why did Dr. S say there was hair placed on the skull for a photo? What was that all about?

 

[Kelroy]

Did anyone watch Kathy B and Bill S's analysis of the day? Kathy said she talked to Dr. Spitz after he got off the stand and he said he thought the prosecution did a good job questioning him, and he thanked Jeff Ashton on the way out of the courtroom.
She also asked if JA humiliated him and he said; "no", and Kathy left it at that.

I thought that was interesting.

http://www.wftv.com/video/28281980/index.html

I'm glad you mentioned this; I sought out Bill Schaeffer's analysis after seeing him mentioned here, and I've watched a few of them now. I thought Belich's question to Spitz was kind of--I don't know, kind of mean? Weird? Uncalled for? I thought even Schaeffer looked a bit taken aback that she straight-out asked Spitz if he was now humiliated. I mean, I think his testimony was really embarrassing, but I also feel sorry for him, since he does seem to have some serious memory loss issues. She couldn't have asked, "Was that cross-examination difficult?" Or just, "How well do you think your testimony went?" No need to further humiliate the guy by letting him know you think he must feel humiliated. JMO.

 

[MissJames]

Dr. Spitz accusing the ME's of "shoddy" work really is a low ball shot in order to defend Casey. Low low ball. There's not enough words I could say about the defense utilizing Spitz. As far as Spitz, well it's obvious to me how much he prepared for Caylee's trial. He had updates from the defense and was fed the info after his observation. Shame on the defense...how they sleep at night, I'll never know.

I'm going with Dr. G's version. The pictures, it's all in the shot and angle. Shame on that man for saying someone disturbed it but I'd have to see what he was shown vs. all the State has that he saw.

I'm going with Dr. G is a true pro, Dr. S is just full of history, and the defense has now made me really mad! Shame on them!

The DT entomologist also tried to disparage Dr. Vass. The jury has seen both Dr. Vass and Dr. G . I think they can see who the true professionals are. None of the State's experts have spoken negatively about anyone.Even when Dr. G was asked about the situation of Dr. S attending the autopsy ,she was very careful not to say anything negative (even though I think she could have ).

 

[The Eunice Burns]

JMO but to bounce off your post Magpie at Hinky has been in the courtroom and saw one juror respond to another that WS kept referring to Caylee as Casey. To my mind though perhaps a logical mixup due to the closeness of names the emotion that is palpable from the State is bound to affect the jurors every bit as much as the defense calling her the wrong name, 'the child', sub adult, etc.

I think Magpie's comment is suggestive that it already has.

Wow. I haven't yet read Magpie's latest post. Thanks for the heads up. I'm glad the jury has noticed it.

 

[MissJames]

Yes this is true. The ears will purge intercranial fluids. We see this now and then with embalmed clients.

I'm afraid to ask. What's an embalmed "client"? :silenced: