Who do you believe? Dr. G or Dr. S?

[parker38]

Exactly! Worse than that, ICA isn't saying SHE covered anything up (well she didn't call 911...but that was George's fault because he scared her into not calling 911). "Not calling 911 is all ICA did wrong",according to JB--who vividly demonstrated how George scared ICA.

George covered up and out of fear ICA ran off and partied.

According to ICA's crack defense team's famous, world-renowned, expert's extensive and flawless investigation, it is clear that after the body had skeletonized on Suburban, a morally bankrupt body snatcher came along, took Caylee's skull and mandible and attached the skull and mandible together in the anatomically correct position with the same rare Henkel duct tape that is identical to the duct tape George put on his gas can. Then the morally bankrupt body snatcher returned the skull with the taped on mandible back to its original position so he could be rich and famous.

Dr. Spitz stuck duct tape on his arm and pulled it off to make his case that the lack of DNA and skin on the sticky side of the tape definitively proves the tape went over bones and not tissue.

Unless ICA's "expert" is lying or mistaken ICA couldn't have put tape over Caylee's face to stop up fluid because the tape didn't go Caylee's face until Caylee's face had skeletonized.

ICA's world-renowned expert says so.

imo

And we must not forget the poor man who served
time years ago who had phone conversations with
George a few times. According to JB he has
to be some way in cahoots with George. :innocent:

 

[LongtimeMedic]

I still see a lot of banter about the A&P of the Cranium. Let me make one unequivocal statement that anyone applying any logic to this discussion should readily agree with. One can examine the inside of a shoe box best by taking off it's lid than they can by using a light and looking through a few small small holes with restricted angles of view, with "a light". Period.

Answer that and your quest is complete. But of course this is merely MHOO

 

[LongtimeMedic]

Was it Caylee's own tooth?

Yes... and inside the cranium according to her readily available autopsy report, but there was no reason to examine more extensively to see what else was hiding in there... simpler to just rinse it out with water and test the water. JMOO

 

[GutFeeling!]

I have watched her show and I've met her in person. I find her to be a most impressive lady. I really never meant to imply that her work wasn't appropriate or that she had anything less than the best of intentions. I saw a post that presented something as a statement of fact that I felt to be untrue, or at the very least misleading, and I questioned whether the poster was a verified expert, that's all. Perhaps I shouldn't have taken it so far, I apologize.

Sorry I quoted your post which related to the other

 

[GeekyGirl]

Sorry I quoted your post which related to the other

No worries I know I can get a little hyper focused sometimes and come across as very intense without meaning to.

 

[Hot Dogs]

Was it Caylee's own tooth?

They checked the dental records of all the lab techs and determined that it wasn't contamination.

 

[D96s]

Yes... and inside the cranium according to her readily available autopsy report, but there was no reason to examine more extensively to see what else was hiding in there... simpler to just rinse it out with water and test the water. JMOO

Dr S didn't find anything that Dr G hadn't found (and don't try to get me to believe only what Dr S said. I'm talking evidence). And Dr S damaged the skull just to show some residue - that had already been tested by Dr. G.

 

[GeekyGirl]

They checked the dental records of all the lab techs and determined that it wasn't contamination.

Maybe that wasn't supposed to be funny, but I just spit a mouthful of soda across my coffee table reading it.

 

[Trvl4Lyfe]

Did Dr S find anything when he opened the skull?

 

[GutFeeling!]

Maybe that wasn't supposed to be funny, but I just spit a mouthful of soda across my coffee table reading it.

So did I lol All I could think of was "There were people working in there with baby teeth?" LOL There is a book right there! lol

 

[MD MOMMY]

I can vividly remember inquiring with our own JOYPATH, who is a ME, a long time ago about wether or not Dr. G made any errors. I would love for her to weigh in on this thread. Her opinion is Dr. G did everything as she would. JMO.

 

[yllek]

Whose else? RK's?

Don't be ridiculous. It belonged to Vasco Dagama T, of course. He once dated Zanny's sister Raquel before hooking up with Juliette Lewis at a Universal event planned by Casey, but that's a little off topic...

 

[GutFeeling!]

Did Dr S find anything when he opened the skull?

He claims he did but there was no testing done on it. You can see all of his testimony on www.wftv.com, it was on yesterday.

 

[D96s]

Did Dr S find anything when he opened the skull?

He found a residue settled on the left side of the skull. We have no clue what the residue is because he didn't have it tested. He just proffered an opinion of what he thinks is it but he has no proof or evidence. I'm going to assume that Dr. Gs saline solution wash got enough of that residue that her toxicology analysis identified it. It's in her report.

 

[goldenlover]

I deeply Respect Dr. S as well as CM in their time they were the VERY top in their Fields and used the "protocol" in and for their time...
However, this is 2011, and there are very high tech machine and protocol that up and coming scientist and lawyers are now using...

They use endoscopes and other techniques to diagnose disease in live persons because it is non-invasive and does not put the person through unnecessary surgery. Sometimes it is to give them a clue as to if further testing is needed and if it is it usually followed up by real exploratory surgery so they can actually see what is going on with their eyes.

Ask any physician..nothing is better than a visual exam. Many times thing are missed with these new techniques, but sometimes that outweighs the risks of surgery. In an autopsy, they are not worried about risking the health of the individual, therefore nothing would beat a visual inspection. Visual examination is not "old school". I had the chance to ask a physician about this last night. Endocsopes and the like are not usually used in an autopsy. Infact, autopsy tools involve a lot of saws. Even in skelatal remains they need to examine the inside of the skill for fractures to see if the cause of death could have been a trauma to the head.

 

[Sabrina2011]

When will Dr. G be allowed to comment on Dr. S testimony?

(and is Dr G allowed to watch the trial on TV or no?)

 

[STEADFAST]

The way I see it is that the Orange County ME is an extremely competent examiner who had every reason to conduct as thorough an examination of the skull and contents as possible. I'm sure she had all the scopes and techniques necessary to examine the inside of the skull and analyze all the necessary data.

The expert witness, on the other hand, admits he has no knowledge of current procedures in ME's offices, is hired to render a specific opinion no matter how he has to bend the facts to reach it, and offered no additional information about what any contents of the inside of that skull may or may not be. I'm sure if there was something in that skull that would have helped the defense, Dr. Spitz would have made sure he found it and testified to it. Since he didn't, I can only assume he found nothing to refute the OCME's findings.

 

[MissJames]

I just remembered this morning, one thing the jury saw that I've yet to see or hear mentioned, if I missed it redirect me, but the Jury saw JA go from a "fangs out" attack on Dr. Spitz, to a calm apologetic, backtracking JA explaining how he didn't mean to anger or inflame the Dr. The Drs. response?

Spitz: “That tells me about a shoddy autopsy, excuse me for the term, but you provoked it,”

JA: “I didn’t mean to provoke you,”

Spitz: “It upsets my better understanding of my profession that someone would do an autopsy and not examine the head,”

That exchanged definitely stayed with the jurors, especially the last quote.

I agree,Dr. Spitz' comment will stay with them, because they are all too aware that she did examine the head.

 

[yllek]

I can vividly remember inquiring with our own JOYPATH, who is a ME, a long time ago about wether or not Dr. G made any errors. I would love for her to weigh in on this thread. Her opinion is Dr. G did everything as she would. JMO.

Joypath did offer an insightful post yesterday (page 10, post 234)..

 

[D96s]

I agree,Dr. Spitz' comment will stay with them, because they are all too aware that she did examine the head.

I'm sure they will call Dr. G back for rebuttle, and she will go over in detail her examination of the head.