Who Is Caylee's Biological Father?

[belleyes]

Quite honestly, if you were a young guy who had been involved, would you come forward now, knowing how many innocent guys have already been dragged through the mud, and now knowing that if Caylee was actually your child, these things have been done to her and she is deceased? I'm not sure a lot of young guys would want to know that. It would have to be horrible for them, at this point.

They might not come forward willingly, but you would think that by now someone (friends, sleuthers, family) would have dug them up by now. Friends have not even mentioned a love (I use that word loosely) interest from H.S.

 

[Broderick]

They might not come forward willingly, but you would think that by now someone (friends, sleuthers, family) would have dug them up by now. Friends have not even mentioned a love (I use that word loosely) interest from H.S.

Guys tend to brag about conquests from the past, especially those conquests with a "celebrity" factor in it. She has been described as shy, quiet, a good student. She dropped out suddenly. No explanations.

 

[belleyes]

Guys tend to brag about conquests from the past, especially those conquests with a "celebrity" factor in it. She has been described as shy, quiet, a good student. She dropped out suddenly. No explanations.

ITA:clap:

 

[Mysterylover]

Guys tend to brag about conquests from the past, especially those conquests with a "celebrity" factor in it.
She has been described as shy, quiet, a good student. She dropped out suddenly. No explanations.

WHY, may be a clue in all this madness....what would be bad enough to cause a pretty young teen 1/2 credit short, quit school and miss her Prom?
Why did her parents allow her to make such a mistake concerning her future?...:doh:

 

[Pondering Mind]

Guys tend to brag about conquests from the past, especially those conquests with a "celebrity" factor in it. She has been described as shy, quiet, a good student. She dropped out suddenly. No explanations.

I can't imagine any guy coming forward in a case like this where there is a dead child involved. Who in their right mind would want to get involved if they were not even sure? JMO Casey was described as shy and quiet by a poster that knew a teacher at Colonial. FWIW, I have seen/read where others said she would skip school and go do her own thing. (No, I have no link to that, don't even remember where I saw/read/heard it, so I offer it as pure speculation. She dropped out her senior year 1/2 credit shy (some say 1 credit) of graduating, that is per Cindy, so even that I take with a grain of salt.

 

[Brini]

Many people have been commenting on the many "potential" daddy's but look closely at the time frames. So far all the promiscuity has been after the conception of Caylee-- this is very telling to me. Noone ( to my knowledge) has come forward and said they were intimate with KC before Late 2004 ------What precipitated this behavior change?

How do we know there has BEEN a behavioral change?

Ryan said KC has been lying and manipulating all her life. He's known her since she was five or six.

If she is a sociopath, it started in childhood-- not four years ago.

 

[Brini]

BINGO. Why did she drop out of high school when many considered her a quiet, shy, normal, good student. She did it so close to graduating. What was going on? This was prior to conception too. Abuse averages 7 years.

Good question. I would say many abuse victims of this type as some suggest develop an inability for monogamy and ability to trust and love and spend a lot of time sleeping around. Why did she resent her mother, hate her father, resent Caylee enough to plan to make her go missing, and was yet still so close to her brother. That is another oddity in these types of situations, many victims blame themselves and stay close with the abuser. Strange.

And, many FLEE the abuser. That's where many runaways come from. I had many patients, like that.

The primary conflict appears to be with the mother. My guess is that there were serious control games between the two, starting about in KC's adolescence. They came to a head around late high school, with conflicts re: when and how often KC could go out.l KC rebelled and dropped out.

There may STILL be the same conflicts. For instance, CA said, "I think KC should sleep in her own bed." And, CA said she stated that she fell out with JG when he, KC and Caylee were sitting on KC's bed watching TV. Apparently, she had a bit of a hissy-- in her own words, paraphrased.

It may be that the promiscuity is rebellion against CA.

My guess is also that LP got his incest theories from a lack of understanding of mtDNA. He noticed that KC and Caylee's DNA was the same and ran with it.

Again, where is the evidence of that kind of abuse?

And, again, if KC IS a sociopath, she would not have had the ability to bond from very early on. Which may be nature, or may be nurture. It would have turned up WAY before high school.

 

[Broderick]

How do we know there has BEEN a behavioral change?

Ryan said KC has been lying and manipulating all her life. He's known her since she was five or six.

If she is a sociopath, it started in childhood-- not four years ago.

Ryan said that? I must have missed that. I think he suspected she told white lies as she got older according to the interview with police but I missed where he said she was like that when she was 5 or 6 and her whole life. Show me a link where he thought that prior to Cindy calling him after Caylee went missing and they were comparing stories she was telling at the time.

 

[Broderick]

And, many FLEE the abuser. That's where many runaways come from. I had many patients, like that.

The primary conflict appears to be with the mother. My guess is that there were serious control games between the two, starting about in KC's adolescence. They came to a head around late high school, with conflicts re: when and how often KC could go out.l KC rebelled and dropped out.

There may STILL be the same conflicts. For instance, CA said, "I think KC should sleep in her own bed." And, CA said she stated that she fell out with JG when he, KC and Caylee were sitting on KC's bed watching TV. Apparently, she had a bit of a hissy-- in her own words, paraphrased.

It may be that the promiscuity is rebellion against CA.

My guess is also that LP got his incest theories from a lack of understanding of mtDNA. He noticed that KC and Caylee's DNA was the same and ran with it.

Again, where is the evidence of that kind of abuse?

And, again, if KC IS a sociopath, she would not have had the ability to bond from very early on. Which may be nature, or may be nurture. It would have turned up WAY before high school.

The primary conflict can be with the mother if she was outwardly saddled with the burden of a hideous family secret as well. I tend to think Cindy is the dominant dog in the house. I think if you listen to LP explain, he has some information but confirmation is coming soon. Dr. Haden also alluded to knowing the father from these reports. How? I don't know, but he said LE knows. It could be someone else, but to make sense of things I think the theory and as LP puts it, the knowledge, explains just about everything.

I see the non-dominant folks in the house doing the bidding of the dominant Cindy. If Cindy found out in the 7th or 8th month that Lee was the father and saddled Casey with the burden while Lee paid the cellphone bills and help financially it makes sense. Cindy let Caylee take the first female position in the house and relegated Casey to number two. This position is very important to Casey. She has it now. If the searches for missing children, the chloroform recipes, etc were a part of the plan (albeit rushed at the end) to earn back the first position by suffering a missing child scenario it all makes sense.

 

[Pondering Mind]

Ryan said that? I must have missed that. I think he suspected she told white lies as she got older according to the interview with police but I missed where he said she was like that when she was 5 or 6 and her whole life. Show me a link where he thought that prior to Cindy calling him after Caylee went missing and they were comparing stories she was telling at the time.

If I'm not mistaken, much of that is in the 400 pg. docs, or the next doc dump. It takes a LONG time to read through all that, but is a wealth of info.

 

[Short_Stuff]

I think only Casey knows who the dad is, and of course she lies so we will never know. But it is my belief whoever he is, he is ALIVE.
PS) She's been with so many men, they probably don't even think it's themself, so that is why they don't come forward.

 

[Broderick]

If I'm not mistaken, much of that is in the 400 pg. docs, or the next doc dump. It takes a LONG time to read through all that, but is a wealth of info.

I just perused it and it isn't there that he thought she was a liar all her life. They were pretty much best friends. I also found this:

http://www.540wfla.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=227698&article=4264657

Paysley claimed not to be surprised by allegations that his former best friend has been dishonest about the situation from the outset. He said over the course of the last four or five years it seems that everything she has told him has "turned out be a lie."

 

[Broderick]

I think only Casey knows who the dad is, and of course she lies so we will never know. But it is my belief whoever he is, he is ALIVE.
PS) She's been with so many men, they probably don't even think it's themself, so that is why they don't come forward.

It has been said LE knows who the father is. We don't know who the father is though, thus the speculation. They would know having Caylee's full DNA profile from when Jesse took the paternity test.

 

[Brini]

The primary conflict can be with the mother if she was outwardly saddled with the burden of a hideous family secret as well. I tend to think Cindy is the dominant dog in the house. I think if you listen to LP explain, he has some information but confirmation is coming soon. Dr. Haden also alluded to knowing the father from these reports. How? I don't know, but he said LE knows. It could be someone else, but to make sense of things I think the theory and as LP puts it, the knowledge, explains just about everything.

I see the non-dominant folks in the house doing the bidding of the dominant Cindy. If Cindy found out in the 7th or 8th month that Lee was the father and saddled Casey with the burden while Lee paid the cellphone bills and help financially it makes sense. Cindy let Caylee take the first female position in the house and relegated Casey to number two. This position is very important to Casey. She has it now. If the searches for missing children, the chloroform recipes, etc were a part of the plan (albeit rushed at the end) to earn back the first position by suffering a missing child scenario it all makes sense.

Sounds kind of "out there" to me.

But, I do kind of agree with you re: the roles. I think KC was the "bad daughter," and Caylee was the "good daughter." Which is pretty much the same as what you said. Now, KC is the ONLY daughter.

A parent with a personality disorder would play the kids against eachother. It's called "splitting," and the goal is to engender jealousy.

My theory is that the women were in conflict, and the men were sort of off to the side.

Anyway, we will see. This really IS the weirdest case...:blowkiss:

MOO

 

[Brini]

It has been said LE knows who the father is. We don't know who the father is though, thus the speculation. They would know having Caylee's full DNA profile from when Jesse took the paternity test.

That WOULD be a revelation. Maybe even to KC!

 

[Brini]

Ryan said that? I must have missed that. I think he suspected she told white lies as she got older according to the interview with police but I missed where he said she was like that when she was 5 or 6 and her whole life. Show me a link where he thought that prior to Cindy calling him after Caylee went missing and they were comparing stories she was telling at the time.

I'm not gonna go through 650 pages to find that link. You can reread his testimony, if you like.

He also refused JB a character reference for KC.

So, you think KC has PTSD, rather than sociopathy?

 

[Brini]

Quite honestly, if you were a young guy who had been involved, would you come forward now, knowing how many innocent guys have already been dragged through the mud, and now knowing that if Caylee was actually your child, these things have been done to her and she is deceased? I'm not sure a lot of young guys would want to know that. It would have to be horrible for them, at this point.

There is also the issue that KC appears to burn out friends, and move on. Most of her crowd appear to be relatively recent acquisitions. Within the last couple of years, maybe.

There's nobody close whom she has known all her life, except Ryan. And, he did not speak well of KC's character. He refused JB a character reference for court.

If she does have a personality disorder, that would fit.

MOO

 

[Broderick]

Sounds kind of "out there" to me.

But, I do kind of agree with you re: the roles. I think KC was the "bad daughter," and Caylee was the "good daughter." Which is pretty much the same as what you said. Now, KC is the ONLY daughter.

A parent with a personality disorder would play the kids against eachother. It's called "splitting," and the goal is to engender jealousy.

My theory is that the women were in conflict, and the men were sort of off to the side.

Anyway, we will see. This really IS the weirdest case...:blowkiss:

MOO

I think one male was off to the side. George. He seems like a destroyed man to me, ever since he left his career as an officer of the law.

Why did George leave and file for divorce around the time Caylee was born? That is if I have my dates right. Why was it said that Lee didn't come around the house when George was there? Was George ashamed of Lee? Who was paying the 500-1200 cell phone bills Casey racked up? Why did Cindy and Casey deny that she was pregnant at Rick's wedding when she was obviously pregnant - 7 months along? Why did Casey get employee of the year during the pregnancy at the Kiosk for Kodak and then suddenly abandon the job with no explanation? When did she develop the fictional characters in her life? When did she usurp other people's lives she was envious of and incorporate those as truths in her life?

There are no indications of sociopathy that I can find anywhere before Caylee was born, except for a reportedly normal, quiet, shy, good student dropping out of school unexpectedly. She didn't start sleeping around with everyone until right after that from what I gather. Why?


I agree with it being a weird case, but I from what I can gather it is textbook to abuse internally in the home if you look at the progression and all the signs.

 

[Broderick]

I'm not gonna go through 650 pages to find that link. You can reread his testimony, if you like.

He also refused JB a character reference for KC.

So, you think KC has PTSD, rather than sociopathy?

I just perused it and it isn't there that he thought she was a liar all her life. They were pretty much best friends. I also found this:

http://www.540wfla.com/cc-common/mainheadlines3.html?feed=227698&article=4264657

Paysley claimed not to be surprised by allegations that his former best friend has been dishonest about the situation from the outset. He said over the course of the last four or five years it seems that everything she has told him has "turned out be a lie."

 

[girlsgab]

I did send Krystal an email shortly after she posted that and asked her if Stephanie indeed did have Caylee. I never heard a response. Stephanie is one of my contacts on Myspace and we have spoke a couple of times. I actually wouldn't be surprised if she had her.