who is this unidentified young girl? jumped/thrown from vehicle in AZ, 1999

[LisainWV]

Someone, tell me which the russian girl is PULEEEZE. I can't find it, I have looked, but quickly. Is it the one I rec'd on the myspace tip?

Christine, I'm pretty sure it's the girl in this link

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/Dublin1955/MissingGirlfromMoscow.jpg

Name: [MUROMTSEVA] Alice [GEORGIEVNA]
Region: Moscow
Date of the generation: 01.01.1983
Age at missing: 12-13 years
Height: 160 cm
Hair: light-light-brown, to the arms.
Special signs: the indicating finger of right hand is shortened.
Dressed: jacket is cloth of the black color, jeans are signal orange colors, boots on the thick sole with height on the ankle of black color

I could be wrong!!

 

[pardilia]

Is it possible that this little girl grew up, filled out somewhat and she "fit" her ears a little better? That sounds dumb, I know, but when you're face fills out somewhat as you mature, maybe they don't look so obviously big.

I think she's worth notifiying someone about and Christine seems to be our contact for doing that.

I've been wondering about the logistics of stealing kids on other countries and bringing them here. The Raymond Jane Doe (I hope that's right - the one with the shocking morgue photo and those expressive eyes ...), I really get the feeling she came from another country.

Link to her just for clarity...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48408

I agree. And on the ears comment, a guy I dated when I was a teenager had gianormous ears (and my mom thought so, too!) but when she saw him again about 5 years later, she felt he had "grown into" his ears and they didn't appear so large.

Lots of times as people age they 'grow into' features that when they are younger appear obvious and awkward.

(Also, in the picture her hair is pulled straight back, and unless someone has tiny ears, that hairstyle will always make your ears appear larger and than they would otherwise.)

The picture in the above post is correct - she really is the best match so far.

 

[christine2448]

OMG, I just want to grab you all and sit down in one room and talk!

I am working on presenting this case to national media, I need to get my ducks in a row. I have been given some good contacts and instructions on how to get their attention

I want to submit all matches that are possibles, I'd like to know who has been eliminated, and I have to have a clear summary of this story....

Ya'll have submitted so much, I need to weed through all of this.

Anyone want to help, my time is limited with my own Missing and UID cases here in GA and homeschool, work FT and kids, oh yeah, hubby too LOL!

Anyone want to volunteer to help me pull this together, PM Me.

 

[amazing-sea-monkey]

I want to first go through this thread and find that tipster. She swore she knew the girl (Alice, yes that's her) and also was willing to "bet the farm" so to speak that the UID was Alice. She said she was sure. I will look for that post.

Anyone else remember this?

 

[amazing-sea-monkey]

O.k., first post where "lizza" is coming forward with the Russian girl is post number 81 in this thread. Also post 83 and 114. There are several people that agreed that the girl looked very similar in facial shape, lips, etc. Lizza expained that the girl was involved in trafficking.

 

[LisainWV]

I think Alice is a real possibility.

Not to sidetrack this idea, but anyone else notice how the artist reconstructs of this girl in the first link, first thread, look nothing like her morgue photo? They didn't even get her eyebrows accurate. No wonder these folks can't get Id'ed.

 

[christine2448]

O.k., first post where "lizza" is coming forward with the Russian girl is post number 81 in this thread. Also post 83 and 114. There are several people that agreed that the girl looked very similar in facial shape, lips, etc. Lizza expained that the girl was involved in trafficking.

Thanks amazing.

Post # 81 11-26-2006, 06:52 PM

I think I know how this girl are, I will take the first contact with the investigators but because I am not from U.S.A, I think it is easier for you to handle this case from your country, so I will soon e-mail a photo on this site with some further information about this, at the time, 12-13 years old abducted girl, thane, if you think the girl in the photo is "Pinal county Jane Doe", I hope you will follow up this case. Her family deserves to know what happened to theire loved child. I will be back in a few days.

Post # 83 12-03-2006, 11:25 PM

This post has a picture attached that is unviewable to me?

I´m from Sweden. This girl is a Russian girl who was abducted from Moscow in 1995 or 1996. She was, at the time, 12-13 years old. It makes her to be between 15-17 years in 1999. I don´t really know for sure if she and the unidentified girl are one and the same person, but they are very similar to me and everyone I show the pictures to. I have contacted Maricopa Med.Ex (Suzi Dodt) and they asked for dental records or DNA. I have therefore also contacted the Russian contact person, but the problem is that he don´t seems to speak English at all. Maybe the Russian embassy in U.S or the U.S embassy in Russia will be helpful with information or translating. Because she was found in U.S.A, I think that you are much more qualificated to handle this than me, but I will call the police in Moscow, they probably talk some English and will be helpful. If any of you think the girls are the one and same, speak some Russia, and will contact the Russian contact person, you can call this number:
007-495-158-55-35 or 007-495-157-66-00
E-mail: [email protected]

Post # 114 12-10-2006, 07:05 PM

If the Russian girl "Alice" are "the Maricopa girl", it´s possible that she is a victim
for trafficking. Russian women and children are very popular in both Europe and U.S.A, and there´s lots of money involved. The victims are kept behind close doors, and been controlled by threat, violence and even torture. Maybe it explained the scar in her face. Maybe she took a chance to escape. Maybe it´s why the others in the veichle never came forward, and maybe it´s why not anybody else could, or want, indentify her. At "Maricopa" they say she looks like a scandinavian or east european girl. Even if she not are "Alice", she can still be a victim for trafficking. Many unidentified women and girls around the world can have been in this situation. Anyway, I´ve found a nice guy, who speak some russian. He has promised that he will took care of the contact with Russia. Hopefully we soon can know for sure if she is "Alice" or not. I´ll come back.

 

[Angie4b1g]

I also think it's very possible she's Alice. It would explain why she'd jump out of a car for no reason (if that story is true... however, if it IS true, wouldn't the people driving her have noticed her having an accent? She wouldn't lose it in just 3 years, would she?)

 

[pardilia]

I also think it's very possible she's Alice. It would explain why she'd jump out of a car for no reason (if that story is true... however, if it IS true, wouldn't the people driving her have noticed her having an accent? She wouldn't lose it in just 3 years, would she?)

It really depends. When people are young they can lose accents easily (or just as easily pick them up). It is very common in people who are auditory learners (such as people who play an instrument 'by ear').

If she was from Moscow, she might not have had a very strong accent in the first place as its a rather large city and she might have been regularly exposed to other accents.

 

[Angie4b1g]

Looking at the blown up version of the morgue photo, her ears do look like they stick out some at the top. I think we've already found our match, we just need a confirmation!

 

[Angie4b1g]

I emailed the person who did the drawing and asked about the Victorian top. Hopefully I'll get a response.

 

[amazing-sea-monkey]

I know I've said it before, but I really feel strongly that Alice is a match. She was quite a bit younger in the pic on the Russian missing website. I wish I had the skills to blow that little black and white pic up larger and put a side by side out. I think you can easily see the facial shape similarities. The similarity in her face, lips and eyes is just eerie.

I wish I knew how to contact someone about this but I am mostly a lurker and not a poster. I really, really think this is a match.

:twocents:

 

[christine2448]

Zanko and Angie have started weeding through the threads to summarize and see who has been submitted, ruled out, yada yada.

Thanks both of you! You rock!

OK, Angie pulled this together:

Here's what I have gathered so far. I'm not sure which of these possibles were ruled out, though.

I'm including a composite of all the pictures I could find, also.

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9...icopajdfi0.jpg

possible matches

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...r_heather.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...rd_jaycee.html
http://www.find-missing-children.org...s/poster25.htm
http://www.nampn.doenetwork.us/cases...ekaterina.html
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q...fromMoscow.jpg
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1871dfca.html
http://www.myspace.com/michaelagarecht
http://www.find-missing-children.org.../poster470.htm
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/881dfca.html
Alice Georgievna Muromtseva
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/496dfca.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...ell_tammi.html
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2311dfoh.html
http://www.lorainpolice.com/unsolved...ons.shtml?f=13
http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/dinwiddie.html
http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/pmerchant.html
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/303dfmn.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/cain_jessica.html
http://texasequusearch.org/missing_p...rganMunson.htm
http://doenetwork.org/cases/1303dfdeu.html

OK, we need to know:

1: Who on this list has been ruled out, if any
2: Which ones have been submitted and what the outcome was, if any, or still wtg word.
3. Are we missing anyone that should be added to the list?

 

[christine2448]

Originally Posted by angie4b1g
Here's what I have gathered so far. I'm not sure which of these possibles were ruled out, though.

I'm including a composite of all the pictures I could find, also.

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9...icopajdfi0.jpg

ang, I can't get this to work

 

[Truthful Lies]

I emailed the person who did the drawing and asked about the Victorian top. Hopefully I'll get a response.

I already did that a while ago and she responded. Read back and you'll see it...she made up the victorian top...had nothing to do with the clothing she was wearing. She did say she'd try to find out what the victim was wearing, but that was about a month ago. I don't think she wishes to be bothered again.

 

[Angie4b1g]

I already did that a while ago and she responded. Read back and you'll see it...she made up the victorian top...had nothing to do with the clothing she was wearing. She did say she'd try to find out what the victim was wearing, but that was about a month ago. I don't think she wishes to be bothered again.

Wow. Ok. I only skimmed back through the 15 pages to collect links. Thanks for checking.

 

[Angie4b1g]

I will get another version of that composite up today, it's on my other pc

 

[Truthful Lies]

Angie, Didn't mean for my last post to come off as curt....busy at work and just wanted to convey that info. Sorry if it sounded snippy! =)

 

[christine2448]

I already did that a while ago and she responded. Read back and you'll see it...she made up the victorian top...had nothing to do with the clothing she was wearing. She did say she'd try to find out what the victim was wearing, but that was about a month ago. I don't think she wishes to be bothered again.

We should be able to ask LE that..once we get all this together I am going to see what I can find out from them...want to have all my ducks in the water, then talking with them will be part of getting the ducks in a row. I will need them 'on board' if someone is going to take this story.

 

[Angie4b1g]

**WARNING - LINK CONTAINS MORGUE PHOTOS**


Try that.