Who were the House Guests?

[Seeker]

No the members are not there anymore. She booted them off, then posted their real life info and even called the supervisor of one to try and get her fired. It's all documented and screenshot captures were made (not by me though) to prove it if needed.

And no, I wouldn't say who they were, no reason to bring back bad memories for them and I don't really remember who all she did it to.

 

[Eagle1]

I was looking through one of my three or four 3-ring binders of printouts all the way back to about 2000 today, and there was one of them, who was at Sher's but who's no longer on any of the forums I know of.

I think I heard on the news in the background today that there's trouble again in a Colorado school, like at Littleton. Some guy has a bomb and hostages? Why Colorado? Thin air or something?

 

[Seeker]

No Eagle...."it's the water, and a lot more."


Just ask the Coors company!

 

[Eagle1]

No Eagle...."it's the water, and a lot more." Just ask the Coors company!

Standing in line today at the P.O., we were discussing Why Colorado and the lady said the thin air. I said, "Something in the drinking water, huh? " The guy is in custody now and one hostage is badly wounded. I'm not sure if I heard that one is dead. Don't anyone take my word for it. I was posting when that was on in the background.

 

[Rupert]

Eagle,
I don't want to search over the old threads. It's there if you want to look. Yes, I recall you saying they were in the Kali cult and recall asking you how you knew. I don't recall an answer. Were they really? and how did you find out? in one of the books? perhaps DOI?

The weird coincidence is that Bill Cox reported that they watched "Nick of Time" and according to Eagle, he was into the Kali cult. The movie was about "time" and the kidnapping of a 6 year old girl. Now what is really important is that he reported that before the public new about the RN and what I think are obvious references to "time". Kali means "time" in Hindu and that's what the goddess is about. Again I will say it: the clock ticked just past 1:18 in the movie: Nick of Time when the victim woke up "just in the nick of time" to save herself.

Just think about the other refrenced movies. In Speed, the villain was a retired cop who complained how he just got the gold watch. A time keeper. I know one thing for sure and that is the RN author was obsessed with "time".

I don't care what anyone says. If they really were into the Kali Cult, then it is just too much of a coincidence.

You can all say that it's obvious, the R's did it. Well maybe, but maybe not. If it was someone outside the family, we have clues and not just coincidences.

So again Eagle, where did you get the idea that the White visitors were into the Kali Cult?

 

[Eagle1]

Eagle,
I don't want to search over the old threads. It's there if you want to look. ........... Now what is really important is that he reported that before the public new about the RN and what I think are obvious references to "time". Kali means "time" in Hindu and that's what the goddess is about. Again I will say it: the clock ticked just past 1:18 in the movie: Nick of Time when the victim woke up "just in the nick of time" to save herself.

I don't care what anyone says. If they really were into the Kali Cult, then it is just too much of a coincidence.

You can all say that it's obvious, the R's did it. Well maybe, but maybe not. If it was someone outside the family, we have clues and not just coincidences.

So again Eagle, where did you get the idea that the White visitors were into the Kali Cult?

Rupert, thanks for the interest but obviously I don't want to look through it all again either. I didn't even remember that it was Bill Cox. So two or more heads certainly are better than one. and that's interesting about "Time" and all the other movie coincidences. I'll watch for the info to come up again.

I've explained that I can't go through the paperback books again, had four eye surgeries in a year and they're suggesting another one just to get by, not to do much reading. Diabetic damage and scarring. It was a given at the forums for a while about this death (and time) cult, in some of the forums and I'm very surprised that nobody says now that they remember. We've lost a lot of the old-timers, and if any are left who remember, they may be just not reading this particular thread.

I have at least two more thick notebooks of printouts which are larger print than the paperbacks, and I clean them out once in a while, went through one yesterday for that purpose but didn't make notes on it yet as I need to. Imagine what a job to organize all that, and like everyone else I have lots of other things to do. Had no idea this would be such an issue. Might there be something about it at ACandyRose? You'll help me look, if nobody else wants to? "These things take time." There's that word again.

I'm not disputing that the word Time could be involved, at all. That adds something to the mix, doesn't take away anything, and thanks for that point.

 

[Eagle1]

Here's a copy/paste of an excerpt from the 3rd result in the list, not a great one, too many pages about Middle East troubles, finally a bit about rapes by Muslim immigrants here and brief mention of JonBenet case but no Kali. I didn't finish reading it since the subject seemed to change after this rambling.

"Right Truth: World Scene
Not because of the JonBenet Ramsey case. That is just one case, one child. ... and Vedeno, Kurchaloi, Itum Kali and Nozhai Yurt districts, ...

http://righttruth.typepad.com/right_truth/world_scene/index.html

Oh, "Itum Kali", whatever that means. I'm sure you'll have better ideas than I about how to search.

 

[BBB167893]

"However, I still don't get why there would be so little blood loss for such a head injury."

Because head wounds are a funny thing, Rupert. It's not uncommon for serious skull fractures to bleed very little, sometimes not at all.

"Also, I find it difficult to believe that a mother with no prehistory commits a premeditated strangulation"

That assumes she knew the child was still alive.

 

[Eagle1]

It's been said here a lot that JonBenet was already dead when struck on the head. And the skin wasn't broken. The instrument may or may not have been padded.

And I remember reading in my 2001 print outs the other day that a golf club, a baseball bat, and a fireplace brick were planted with a hair on each, but don't ask me for the source, sounds like PMPT and/or ST. I think Singular's theory was about sex rings, and can't remember the main point of another paperback book I have by Carleton Smith.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

The head wound occurred when JonBenet's heart was beating, and her heart continued to beat afterwards, or else the head wound would not have been able to fully develop as it did.

I just haven't seen enough evidence to support the theory of a child sex ring involving JonBenet. Evidence of prior molestation, yes, but not of a ring of adults using her for sexual purposes.

 

[BBB167893]

Good thing my bro isn't around right now.

 

[Eagle1]

The head wound occurred when JonBenet's heart was beating, and her heart continued to beat afterwards, or else the head wound would not have been able to fully develop as it did.

I just haven't seen enough evidence to support the theory of a child sex ring involving JonBenet. Evidence of prior molestation, yes, but not of a ring of adults using her for sexual purposes.

Fully develop? I don't know what you mean. Everyone's said it was surprising there was so little blood inside her head and that she must have been dead or very nearly so.

Re potential sex ring suspects, there might not be any evidence, necessarily, or, there may be some that we haven't been told of. As you know, I have no favorite theory, and would tend to guess cult activity because of McReynolds' and the two guests and maybe some others' alleged involvement in cults. But it certainly could be a sex ring. They have a thread about that at CTV, as you know. I haven't read it closely enough to be able to bring anything about it to this discussion.

 

[rashomon]

Fully develop? I don't know what you mean. Everyone's said it was surprising there was so little blood inside her head and that she must have been dead or very nearly so.

Not everyone has said that. Dr. Wright for example stated that the wound was fully developed, and no one of his doctor colleagues refuted this, with one exception:

If I recall correctly, this misinformation about the little blood inside JB's head came from Cyril Wecht. But Wecht left out that part of the autopsy report where it says that blood was over the whole hemisphere of JB's skull.
I believe Wecht left this info out deliberately because he favored the theory that JB had died at John's hands in an 'erotic asphyxiation' game, and of course a fully developed head wound would not fit into his scenario.

 

[UKGuy]

This focus on JonBenet's skull fracture does not reflect the full extent of her head injuries.

That is she was whacked more than once around the head, the autopsy itemizes the injuries.

Also similar applies to the garrote come ligature, but JonBenet has extensive abrasions and contusions beneath the ligature.

The point being neither her multiple head or neck injuries appear to result from any accident. There was a sustained assault upon JonBenet.



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[Eagle1]

This focus on JonBenet's skull fracture does not reflect the full extent of her head injuries.

That is she was whacked more than once around the head, the autopsy itemizes the injuries.

Also similar applies to the garrote come ligature, but JonBenet has extensive abrasions and contusions beneath the ligature.

The point being neither her multiple head or neck injuries appear to result from any accident. There was a sustained assault upon JonBenet.

Of course it was no accident. And the term "fully developed" must be coming from the autopsy, but doesn't anyone wonder exactly what that means in lay terms? Finished bleeding? What? The crack was about 8", developed immediately, didn't keep cracking after the blow or blows, right? What would you guess "fully developed" wound means, people?

 

[UKGuy]

Of course it was no accident. And the term "fully developed" must be coming from the autopsy, but doesn't anyone wonder exactly what that means in lay terms? Finished bleeding? What? The crack was about 8", developed immediately, didn't keep cracking after the blow or blows, right? What would you guess "fully developed" wound means, people?

Eagle1,

The phrase "fully developed" is not mentioned anywhere in the autopsy.

I assume what is meant by it is that the consequences of her head fracture had time to take effect e.g. swelling, blood dispersal etc.

The assumption being the head blow did not kill her instantaneously?

Someone whacked JonBenet about the head more than once, there was a manual strangulation, prior to the ligature asphyxiation, and she also has other abrasions on her body.

Either this was a drawn out affair, a form of torture, or it was a frenzied attack, where the intent was to kill JonBenet since they never stopped.



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[Eagle1]

Eagle1,

The phrase "fully developed" is not mentioned anywhere in the autopsy.

I assume what is meant by it is that the consequences of her head fracture had time to take effect e.g. swelling, blood dispersal etc.

The assumption being the head blow did not kill her instantaneously?

Someone whacked JonBenet about the head more than once, there was a manual strangulation, prior to the ligature asphyxiation, and she also has other abrasions on her body.

Either this was a drawn out affair, a form of torture, or it was a frenzied attack, where the intent was to kill JonBenet since they never stopped.
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Thanks, swelling, blood dispersal sounds about right. Yes, it was a terribly vicious thing against a defenseless child.

 

[Rupert]

Eagle1,
Take care of your eyes. Thanks for the reply. I will search and see what I come up with, just in case.

Others,
On the head bash and garrote, maybe the BPD files show more and maybe UKGuy is right. However, I would go with what is generally known.

Yes SuperDave, sometimes a head bash will result in a little blood (sometimes). I've been at this for 4 years and that was one of the first things I noticed. However, I just always wondered how a mother or father could so quickly come to the conclusion and act on it to cover up by "garroting" their beautiful child right after such a tumultous event. However unlikely, that is possible. Perhaps, it is that unlikeliness that just might have kept this case stumped for so long. I also stay open to other options: like the mother was not of sound mind (Brothermoon) or there was an intruder.

Whatever, there has to be a motive (coverup, vengeance, sickoperp, sickocultist, ?).

 

[BBB167893]

"Everyone's said it was surprising there was so little blood inside her head and that she must have been dead or very nearly so."

Wright, Henry, Spitz and Lee (among others) have said that it was likely she lived up to an hour between being hit and strangled.

"And the term 'fully developed' must be coming from the autopsy, but doesn't anyone wonder exactly what that means in lay terms?"

The term fully developed is courtesy of Henry Lee. And I don't have to guess what it means. It means the brain had time to swell, which it did, so much that it flattened against the skull.

"Yes SuperDave, sometimes a head bash will result in a little blood (sometimes). I've been at this for 4 years and that was one of the first things I noticed."

Head wounds are a funny thing, Rupert.

"However, I just always wondered how a mother or father could so quickly come to the conclusion and act on it to cover up by 'garroting' their beautiful child right after such a tumultous event.

Well, if you go by Wright and the rest (and I do), they had some time to figure things out.

"However unlikely, that is possible. Perhaps, it is that unlikeliness that just might have kept this case stumped for so long. I also stay open to other options: like the mother was not of sound mind (Brothermoon) or there was an intruder."

Well, I can definitely see Patsy as mentally disturbed. If you've ever seen her in action, she's really b**chy and screaming one second, cold as ice the next.

 

[capps]

Ouote by SuperDave:
"Well, I can definitely see Patsy as mentally disturbed. If you've ever seen her in action, she's really b**chy and screaming one second, cold as ice the next."

Have you ever seen her in action?