Why A Scarf?

[BeeBee]

I personally believe that the BPD did the same thing in the Ramsey case as the police did in the Jaclyn Dowallaby case. At some time or other they managed to get whatever was in that coffin out. Scarf, or anything else they thought could help the case against the Ramseys.

With all the work they went to (especially ST), no way they would have let JB be buried without looking and/or taking what might help them.

 

[Camper]

I personally believe that the BPD did the same thing in the Ramsey case as the police did in the Jaclyn Dowallaby case. At some time or other they managed to get whatever was in that coffin out. Scarf, or anything else they thought could help the case against the Ramseys.

With all the work they went to (especially ST), no way they would have let JB be buried without looking and/or taking what might help them.

I would hope that you 'might' be correct, but I do doubt it, and it certainly should be investigated as to 'whether' the BPD did or didn't do.

I flimsy piece of cloth, sorta like a magicians trick wave the scarf around, and poof there is a rabbit in it. Perhaps the PD were fascinated by a plain old scarf, color unknown by us in 'mushroom country', "Well sarge we saw him put the scarf over the body, but there was nuthin' in it.

One would even maybe hope that a movie cam was trained on the ceremonies with the open casket, then they could have reviewed it to see what color the scarf was.

I do believe that stringing the words together from DOI and the PR transcript, the last few pictures that were taken by John with the Christmas pics in it catching the black and red scarf dangling on the wet bar, just may never have been added up to get a better 'total'.

Could 'that' scarf have been in a box opened Christmas morning and caught on the 'missing/never taken traditional Ramsey Christmas movie'. Could that scarf have been given to a certain person on Christmas morning in the Ramsey home? Do WE know if the Black and Red scarf captured on film by JR 'that' morning when he handed over the film to BPD, was ever listed on the evidence that WAS removed from the Ramsey home and taken as evidence? Anyone?

Nope my friends I do think this bears stronger 'checking', hopefully that will be done. A person of authority has the information already.



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[Nehemiah]

Could 'that' scarf have been in a box opened Christmas morning and caught on the 'missing/never taken traditional Ramsey Christmas movie'. Could that scarf have been given to a certain person on Christmas morning in the Ramsey home?

Camper, that was my first thought. But if that were the situation, why would it matter that it got into the casket? Why not just say that it was given to so-and-so on Christmas morning, and was special, and placed there? Unless it were given to whom? (I think I know your thoughts.)

 

[trixie]

Actually, in the NE book interview, Patsy says of the scarf "this just looks strange to me." There are dots.....before her words and dots...after her words, which makes it appear that she said more but they didn't include that part of the interview in the book. So, we don't really know what she was meaning by that statement, unless someone has a copy of the entire interview about the scarf. Maybe she meant the scarf itself was suspect, or perhaps she meant that the scarf was familiar but was placed in an odd place.

Regardless, Camper, I think you are onto a great line of thinking about the scarf. Just the fact that it was not described in detail by Patsy in DOI makes it suspicious in itself.

Actually you can read the ENTIRE interviews online and yes there is ALOT more to those interviews than what's in that book. It really blew me away and was very enlightening. Lot's of extra stuff I never knew about before and wouldn't know unless the transcripts are read. As for the scarf I can't believe nobody has picked up on Patsy's description of it and the way it was tucked in to the coffin was almost exactly the way John Ramsey described the white blanket around Jonbenet when he found her. Very similar wording. Bizarre.

 

[Toltec]

Okay, the scarf was there Christmas day because John took a picture of it BEFORE he took pictures of the kids Christmas morning.

Was the scarf still there when police took their photos that morning? If it wasn't....then why didn't they question the Ramseys....Mr and Mrs Ramsey, where is the scarf now?

I would love to see the police photos...especially the pictures of the wet bar.

 

[Nehemiah]

Actually you can read the ENTIRE interviews online and yes there is ALOT more to those interviews than what's in that book. It really blew me away and was very enlightening. Lot's of extra stuff I never knew about before and wouldn't know unless the transcripts are read. As for the scarf I can't believe nobody has picked up on Patsy's description of it and the way it was tucked in to the coffin was almost exactly the way John Ramsey described the white blanket around Jonbenet when he found her. Very similar wording. Bizarre.

Can you post the link? I don't have good luck locating things on ACandyRose's site; I'm on dial up and it takes too long to navigate for me.
Thanks.

 

[Camper]

From the NE book, pgs 246-47:

Patsy was shown photos taken off a roll of film that John Ramsey turned over to the police in the hours before JonBenet's body was found. The roll was in the camera he used to take pictures that Christmas. To get the film to the end of the roll, John snapped off the last few shots. In doing so, he inadvertently photographed the wet bar near the foot of the spiral staircase. The photo showed a black and red scarf left on the sink counter there. Patsy couldn't say whether it was John's scarf or one she had given out as gifts to the men who attended the Ramsey Christmas party on December 23rd.

PR: ...This (scarf) looks strange to me...

TH: Well, this photo...was on your roll of film in your camera. And on the same roll is the next photo, a Christmas morning photo of the kids.

PR: ...Oh, God.

This is from your original post, where JR had already taken pics of the family with camera then used up the last couple of shots taking random pics, so the scarf would have been at the end of the roll of film.


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[Cranberry]

This is from your original post, where JR had already taken pics of the family with camera then used up the last couple of shots taking random pics, so the scarf would have been at the end of the roll of film.


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Unless you have to snap a few to get the roll started!

 

[Camper]

Unless you have to snap a few to get the roll started!

from DOI page 246-247 per Toltec
To get the film to the end of the roll, John snapped off thelast few shots. In doing so,he inadvertently photographed the wet bar near the foot of the spiral staircase. The photo showed a black and red scarf left on the sink counter there.

It seems he needed to finish off the rest of the film for the officers, who MUST have asked for the film in the camera.

Another question pops its head up for me in that WHY didn't he finish taking Christmas pictures from the morning? WE as a family at our house would keep on a chugging with the camera to get every Christmas shot, to the very end, so the film could be taken for developing.



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[capps]

It seems he needed to finish off the rest of the film for the officers, who MUST have asked for the film in the camera.

Another question pops its head up for me in that WHY didn't he finish taking Christmas pictures from the morning? WE as a family at our house would keep on a chugging with the camera to get every Christmas shot, to the very end, so the film could be taken for developing.



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Camper,

The Toltec quote you are showing for DOI pg 246,247 must be incorrect because I do not see that any where in DOI?

 

[Camper]

Sorry, here is the correct quote for Toltec's search information!!

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Originally Posted by Toltec

From the NE book, pgs 246-47:

own photos taken off a roll of film that John Ramsey turned over to the police in the hours before JonBenet's body was found. The roll was in the camera he used to take pictures that Christmas. To get the film to the end of the roll, John snapped off the last few shots. In doing so, he inadvertently photographed the wet bar near the foot of the spiral staircase. The photo showed a black and red scarf left on the sink counter there. Patsy couldn't say whether it was John's scarf or one she had given out as gifts to the men who attended the Ramsey Christmas party on December 23rd.

PR: ...This (scarf) looks strange to me...

TH: Well, this photo...was on your roll of film in your camera. And on the same roll is the next photo, a Christmas morning photo of the kids.

PR: ...Oh, God.

I am going to bed early, I am tired. That is one book the NEbook that I never purchased.


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[Cranberry]

It seems he needed to finish off the rest of the film for the officers, who MUST have asked for the film in the camera.

Another question pops its head up for me in that WHY didn't he finish taking Christmas pictures from the morning? WE as a family at our house would keep on a chugging with the camera to get every Christmas shot, to the very end, so the film could be taken for developing.



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Hi Camper, Sometimes you have to click a few pictures to advance the film to #1 - but would that occur in that area of the house on Christmas AM? LE must have known when those were snapped so disregard that thought. On the topic of camera's - I thought it was strange the video camera batteries weren't charged not just for Christmas but for the upcoming boat trip. I will have to read to see if there is mention of it being packed...

 

[Rupert]

Well if it was evidence, then they could have easily burned or trashed it. Why go to the effort of burying it with their daughter? It must have been a very personal momento. What I found interesting was that PR broke down at seeing the photo of the scarf. Did this remind her of what had happened or was it so special a momento?

 

[capps]

Well if it was evidence, then they could have easily burned or trashed it. Why go to the effort of burying it with their daughter? It must have been a very personal momento. What I found interesting was that PR broke down at seeing the photo of the scarf. Did this remind her of what had happened or was it so special a momento?

Rupert,

No where have I read that Patsy broke down when she saw the photo of the scarf ... can you give me a source for that? Thanks.

 

[tipper]

My impression is she "broke down" at the reminder of that last Christmas morning when they were all so happy and life as they knew it, was intact.

 

[Toltec]

My impression is she "broke down" at the reminder of that last Christmas morning when they were all so happy and life as they knew it, was intact.

Patsy broke down when she saw the NEXT PHOTO - a photo of the kids taken Christmas morning.

This is what I was talking about....Tom Haney is talking about the photo of the scarf, then he goes on to say this:

And on the same roll is the NEXT PHOTO, a Christmas photo of the kids.

Do I take that to mean that the first photo shown of the scarf was taken BEFORE the "next photo"...the picture of the kids?

 

[trixie]

Can you post the link? I don't have good luck locating things on ACandyRose's site; I'm on dial up and it takes too long to navigate for me.
Thanks.

Sorry it took me so long to get back to you. Try this:

http://www.jonbenetindexguide.com/legalstuff.htm

Scroll down until you see John 1997 Interview by Boulder Police and Patsy 1997 Interview by Boulder Police.

(I have the same problem with acandyrose site but we still love it)

 

[Zman]

It seems he needed to finish off the rest of the film for the officers, who MUST have asked for the film in the camera.

Another question pops its head up for me in that WHY didn't he finish taking Christmas pictures from the morning? WE as a family at our house would keep on a chugging with the camera to get every Christmas shot, to the very end, so the film could be taken for developing.



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Guess the R's are not you.
Do you find everyone you know does everything like your family?
Does that make them murderers?
Do you have any polls or data to see who finishes a roll of film at one time or leaves a few extra just in case.

 

[Nehemiah]

Patsy broke down when she saw the NEXT PHOTO - a photo of the kids taken Christmas morning.

This is what I was talking about....Tom Haney is talking about the photo of the scarf, then he goes on to say this:

And on the same roll is the NEXT PHOTO, a Christmas photo of the kids.

Do I take that to mean that the first photo shown of the scarf was taken BEFORE the "next photo"...the picture of the kids?

I wonder if when they have the photos developed and number them and show them, if they are in the same order as snapped, or does it matter? I am sure in some cases it is imperative to keep them in the order in which they were taken, but is it imperative to always do that? Maybe someone knows the answer to that LE question.

Thanks, Trixie, for the link.

Zman, you are a little testy.

 

[Camper]

Guess the R's are not you.
Do you find everyone you know does everything like your family?
Does that make them murderers?
Do you have any polls or data to see who finishes a roll of film at one time or leaves a few extra just in case.

The entire point of the widdle camra, and da takin' of da rest of da film, is da 'accidental' pitcher of 'a' 'scarf'. Always happy to oblyge, to help da interpertation of any posts of mine.

Da 'scarf' on da wet bar.
Da 'scarf' in da casket.
Da 'scarf' dat nobodi had seen b4, but da Oh God comment over jus a 'scarf' howcome?
Da 'scarfs' dat PR gived to da guys at da pardy on da 23rd.
Da 'scarf' dat mighta bin used ta strangle JonBenet.

Yer welcome.

As a famly matter, dere was never nuthin' dat my family had never not seen b4, we always knew whose was whut, cuz we would get mixed up ifn' we din't. An when anybodi got somethin' new, we all stood aroun and went oooh and ahhhh, purdy ain't it?


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