Why didn't Cindy file for custody of Caylee? Could Cindy have saved her?

[nomoresorrow]

In addition to my previous post: No, I do not think that GA or CA knew exactly what they were dealing with on July 15th. MOO

 

[tx_Dot]

LOL.....I didn't say "the whole family's trying to cover-up". I also didn't say that G & C knew of or were involved in KC's actions, in terms of the actions that she took concerning her car prior to July 15th - I don't think that they were. I am convinced that they knew without a doubt that something was terrible wrong by July 15th and I also think that they would have delayed calling LE if not for the fact that GA had said what he said to the owner/manager of the wrecker co. and opened the trunk in his presence. My response was to "so why call and report?" - MOO

LOL...I didn't know you were only replying to half of my one sentence..

(IF everyone 'was in on it', why report it at all ???) that reply was to poster who thinks a cover-up (by all ?) started before July 3rd.

Now to your reply......OH, I don't think CA was going to 'delay' finding KC/Caylee that day......after she had to pay a 500 buck tpw bill, you know she was po'd.......I don't think the tow guy thought anymore about until things hit the news the next day.......@ least that's what he said.


PS....Also, in the transcpit from the last 911 call, it sounds to me like the first thing GA said was call LE......You can hear CA saying "George, Caylee is missing" then some 'mumble', then Cindy says, "I called them 2 hours ago"....refering to her first 911 call....

 

[LinasK]

LOL.....the whole family's trying to cover-up & KC forgets about the car out of gas, & that it's been towed ???......knowing that it has a death smell ??

Why not simply abandon the car & report it stolen to begin with ?? KC kept trying to get the car back..

I'm still on the fence about one of them (GA LA) helping her, but I can't see the whole family would join up & only come up w/KC stupid story.......that had not ONE thing was verifiable by LE.

Okay, I don't think Casey was trying to get the car back, I think she left it at the Dumpster with her purse in it for two reasons:1) hoping the Dumpster odor would mask the smell from the car, 2) hoping someone would steal the car and she could blame that on the kidnapper. I don't think that prior to Anthony's going to pick up the car they knew Caylee was dead.

 

[mitzi]

You are right.

Cindy COULD have done that. She could have left Casey with Tony, too. She had the car back. She wasn't ever gonna get money back from Casey.

There is only ONE reason Cindy called LE and that was so Cindy could find Caylee. If Cindy hadn't called them NONE of this case would ever be known.

Not a single one of Casey's friends noticed Caylee's absense and ever would have called. Not a single person but Cindy, George and Lee WONDERED about Caylee or noticed she was gone.
IMO

Except neither Cindy, George, or Lee did anything about it for 31 days. That is the part I cannot understand. A grandmother, who is in sporadic contact with her daughter for 31 days, and said daughter has all kinds of excuses as to where the grandaughter was, yet grandmother does nothing for 31 days. There is no excuse for that.

 

[LCoastMom]

Sorry to post twice in a row-

I also do not think she would have filed for custody even if they thought Caylee was alive because that would make Casey madder than a hornet and they needed her help to find an alive Caylee.

I know all about how hard it can be to extricate a child from an abusive parent, unfortunately, but my question was more pertaining to AFTER Caylee was missing and AFTER child services had already gotten involved...they had already found that Caylee was an endangered child, and even if she is innocent until proven guilty KC has been in jail for much of this time, so regardless she would be unavailable to care for Caylee...so if Cindy truly believed Caylee was alive, why didn't she pursue being appointed Caylee's legal guardian in case she was found alive?

I seriously wondered the the same thing back when they were insisting Caylee was going to be brought home alive. It didn't make sense to me that they would find her, knowing they were going to have to hand her over to CPS and foster care at least until they could get temporary custody. Had she been found alive, that is exactly what would have happened.

I think comomx3 makes a very good point initially; they do live in fear of KC's tantrums and if they were going to get anything out of her, the A's had to stay in KC's good graces. But there had to come a time that they admitted to themselves that KC was never going to tell anyone, anything.

KC went back to jail with a murder 1 charge, possible death penalty rather than tell LE what she knows. The A's must have thought KC was protecting them from every evil force on the planet. I believe the A's have always known KC was responsible for Caylee's disappearance. Either KC handed Caylee over to someone or KC did something causing someone to take Caylee in retaliation.

My thought was JB advised them not to seek custody through the courts because it wouldn't look good for KC's defense, for her parents to start a custody battle while their daughter was being held on child abuse and then murder charges. I wondered if KC and the A's did all the paperwork and had it on file with JB ready and waiting. When we discovered KC had given control of Caylee's remains to JB for burial and funeral arrangements I no longer thought this was a possibility.

 

[tx_Dot]

Okay, I don't think Casey was trying to get the car back, I think she left it at the Dumpster with her purse in it for two reasons:1) hoping the Dumpster odor would mask the smell from the car, 2) hoping someone would steal the car and she could blame that on the kidnapper. I don't think that prior to Anthony's going to pick up the car they knew Caylee was dead.

She was sure looking for someone to take her to get gas....she called Jesse once, AH twice, & then went to AH's (after dropping Tony @the airport) apt.
picked her up, & they went & bought a gas can, but the car had already been towed.......all this while the car was at amscot.

Cars out of gas are hard to steal & GA did have to put gas in it when he picked it up @ the tow yard.

PS...check the case calendar in the sticky's...all these 'gas' calls are listed in June 28-29-30 per JG & AH

 

[jujube]

Except neither Cindy, George, or Lee did anything about it for 31 days. That is the part I cannot understand. A grandmother, who is in sporadic contact with her daughter for 31 days, and said daughter has all kinds of excuses as to where the grandaughter was, yet grandmother does nothing for 31 days. There is no excuse for that.

C'mon, how many of us don't see our parents for a month or more at a time? Sometimes, I don't see my grown sons for a month at a time. I would never think to call LE. Casey said Caylee was with Zanny. Why should Cindy question that?

Cindy thought Casey had moved out and she couldn't find her. The only way that she did was because Casey left her purse on the front seat and it had Amy's contact information. Cindy contacted Amy and then they found Casey.

At this point, almost 8 mos. later, its easy to use hindsight.

 

[LCoastMom]

Except neither Cindy, George, or Lee did anything about it for 31 days. That is the part I cannot understand. A grandmother, who is in sporadic contact with her daughter for 31 days, and said daughter has all kinds of excuses as to where the grandaughter was, yet grandmother does nothing for 31 days. There is no excuse for that.

Unless KC had a known criminal or psychiatric background, prohibiting her from from unsupervised visits with Caylee, there isn't a thing LE or anyone else could have done for the A's. Caylee was her daughter, KC had every right to take Caylee and keep her away from the A's for as long as she wanted.

 

[tx_Dot]

Except neither Cindy, George, or Lee did anything about it for 31 days. That is the part I cannot understand. A grandmother, who is in sporadic contact with her daughter for 31 days, and said daughter has all kinds of excuses as to where the grandaughter was, yet grandmother does nothing for 31 days. There is no excuse for that.

What did you expect them to do ??......Call LE ??

Sorry but grandparents have no 'right' to see their grandkids or their even grown kids......& as long as KC had done nothing illegal there's no way LE would even taken a report.

IIRC....Ca did send LA looking for KC in early July & when KC knew he was on his way, she left.

 

[mitzi]

C'mon, how many of us don't see our parents for a month or more at a time? Sometimes, I don't see my grown sons for a month at a time. I would never think to call LE. Casey said Caylee was with Zanny. Why should Cindy question that?

Cindy thought Casey had moved out and she couldn't find her. The only way that she did was because Casey left her purse on the front seat and it had Amy's contact information. Cindy contacted Amy and then they found Casey.

At this point, almost 8 mos. later, its easy to use hindsight.

Except that KC and Caylee both lived in Cindy's home. I don't believe for one minute that KC and Caylee were moving out, or going somewhere to "bond" with each other. Cindy has been known to tell a mis-truth or two. If my live-in daughter (who I felt was a sociopath) and my grandaughter, left our home after a huge fight, and I didn't see my daughter for a month, only had sporadic calls and texts with her, and there was always an excuse not to be able to talk to my grandaughter...I'm sorry, but I wouldn't be waiting 31 days for resolution. I would have hopped in my car and combed Orlando looking for KC's car and then when I found it, I would have knocked on every door in the apartment complex until I found her. I also would have met and had a legitimate phone number for the babysitter...especially if I knew my daughter lied about working. But hey, that's just me. JMO

 

[mitzi]

Unless KC had a known criminal or psychiatric background, prohibiting her from from unsupervised visits with Caylee, there isn't a thing LE or anyone else could have done for the A's. Caylee was her daughter, KC had every right to take Caylee and keep her away from the A's for as long as she wanted.

You are right about that, but as you can see by my post above, I would have probably found my daughter within a week and cut 24 days off the 31 days...maybe just maybe Caylee's little body could have been found sooner and might have given LE more evidence of manner of death. JMO

 

[mitzi]

What did you expect them to do ??......Call LE ??

Sorry but grandparents have no 'right' to see their grandkids or their even grown kids......& as long as KC had done nothing illegal there's no way LE would even taken a report.

IIRC....Ca did send LA looking for KC in early July & when KC knew he was on his way, she left.

I never said "call LE". I stated that Cindy should have looked for KC before 31 days went by. Also, Cindy sending Lee out once to look at a bar for KC is not what I would call a huge effort. JMO

 

[2goldfish]

Cindy is not stupid. Her head knew. Her heart took as long to catch up as it needed to.

 

[Meemom]

What did you expect them to do ??......Call LE ??

Sorry but grandparents have no 'right' to see their grandkids or their even grown kids......& as long as KC had done nothing illegal there's no way LE would even taken a report.

IIRC....Ca did send LA looking for KC in early July & when KC knew he was on his way, she left.

What bothers me is that CA went to Universal, IIRC 7/3, and wanted to pick Caylee up from KC. When she couldn't get in the gate or locate where KC "worked" there, she called KC on her cell and that was when she got one of the "I'm not at the office, I'm at an event" stories, yadayada, "I'm in Tampa with Jeff", etc. and CA was suspious enough to have LA try to track KC down later...(the KC fleeing the bar cos LA was coming incident). As far as I'm concerned, she had to have put 2+2 together and knew KC was not working at Universal...KC was still feeding her stories about being out of town with work, ZFG's hospitalization, etc., but it took a registered letter about the stupid car being towed and having to pay the fees, to finally motivate CA to get off her butt and find KC!
And the whole spending hours, and threatening to get the cops involved scenario does not sit right with me the more I think about it.....I can't imagine CA not forcing KC to take her to Caylee IMMEDIATELY upon picking her up from TL's. CA seems to have enough temper to have totally throttled KC at that point! The fact that KC didn't cave and take her to Caylee at that point should have spoke volumes to CA......KC had done something with/to Caylee and COULDN'T take CA to her. I don't think the A's are the sharpest tools in the shed, but I don't think they're THAT stupid, either. I believe CA KNEW there was no job, therefore no NANNY....daughter or not, she missed her chance with LE to throw KC under the bus, and it will likely come back to bite her butt-cos I don't think KC or oJB will have any proble throwing the whole Anth family under the bus at trial!

 

[Pink Panther]

Attempting to seek custody for Caylee after July 15th would have meant that they would have had to divulge every nasty detail about KC that would have certainly landed KC behind bars (for neglect and abuse - if Caylee was found alive) or subsequently for murder (if she was/as she has been found dead). These people didn't do the right thing before something happened to their Grand-daughter, why on earth would one think that they would do the right thing after?

MOO

 

[chelle70]

Except that KC and Caylee both lived in Cindy's home. I don't believe for one minute that KC and Caylee were moving out, or going somewhere to "bond" with each other. Cindy has been known to tell a mis-truth or two. If my live-in daughter (who I felt was a sociopath) and my grandaughter, left our home after a huge fight, and I didn't see my daughter for a month, only had sporadic calls and texts with her, and there was always an excuse not to be able to talk to my grandaughter...I'm sorry, but I wouldn't be waiting 31 days for resolution. I would have hopped in my car and combed Orlando looking for KC's car and then when I found it, I would have knocked on every door in the apartment complex until I found her. I also would have met and had a legitimate phone number for the babysitter...especially if I knew my daughter lied about working. But hey, that's just me. JMO

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The only day that I think Cindy tried, or was able, to go out of her way to look for/meet up with KC & Caylee was when she tried to get KC to meet her at Universal or Disney or some them park in Orlando. I think that was July 3rd, and when she didn't get to meet up with them, she came home and wrote that little essay about her concern for Caylee on her Myspace page .
Sorry Meemom----just saw your post re: July 3rd.

 

[Pink Panther]

What bothers me is that CA went to Universal, IIRC 7/3, and wanted to pick Caylee up from KC. When she couldn't get in the gate or locate where KC "worked" there, she called KC on her cell and that was when she got one of the "I'm not at the office, I'm at an event" stories, yadayada, "I'm in Tampa with Jeff", etc. and CA was suspious enough to have LA try to track KC down later...(the KC fleeing the bar cos LA was coming incident). As far as I'm concerned, she had to have put 2+2 together and knew KC was not working at Universal...KC was still feeding her stories about being out of town with work, ZFG's hospitalization, etc., but it took a registered letter about the stupid car being towed and having to pay the fees, to finally motivate CA to get off her butt and find KC!
And the whole spending hours, and threatening to get the cops involved scenario does not sit right with me the more I think about it.....I can't imagine CA not forcing KC to take her to Caylee IMMEDIATELY upon picking her up from TL's. CA seems to have enough temper to have totally throttled KC at that point! The fact that KC didn't cave and take her to Caylee at that point should have spoke volumes to CA......KC had done something with/to Caylee and COULDN'T take CA to her. I don't think the A's are the sharpest tools in the shed, but I don't think they're THAT stupid, either. I believe CA KNEW there was no job, therefore no NANNY....daughter or not, she missed her chance with LE to throw KC under the bus, and it will likely come back to bite her butt-cos I don't think KC or oJB will have any proble throwing the whole Anth family under the bus at trial!

None of it really adds up. Why didn't she take 30 seconds to step into Tony's appartment to see if Caylee was there? Wouldn't you have?

 

[Meemom]

None of it really adds up. Why didn't she take 30 seconds to step into Tony's appartment to see if Caylee was there? Wouldn't you have?

Most definately! But then, my kids (who think I'm a little nuts for being so wound up in this case) all tell me they know I would never have let this crap slide to began with...LOL

 

[kaRN]

I'm not sure Cindy would have passed the psychological examinations required to get custody of Caylee.

 

[kaRN]

I can say that I have been somewhat in Cindy's shoes. Thank God I filed for custody before it was to late. My granddaughters mother has "antisocial behavior" disorder, is a sociopath and bipolar. My son is the father and he could not take the responsibility of the child nor did the birth-mother want him to, she tried to take his rights away as well. Long story short. At the age of 6 and half weeks old our baby girl-granddaughter was abandoned by the Birth Mother. She wanted to party and play around with drugs, alcohol and needed to be with several men at all times and had no time for the child, but claimed she was the mother, but didn't want the responsibility. I went to the court house late one Friday afternoon and filed a petition for custody. This poor excuse of a mother left my granddaughter in the car in the winter when she was only 9 days old so she could visit with friends, she then would just leave the child with whom ever and kept my son from the child. She moved 6 times in the first 6 weeks of the child's life. I did not wait. To add to the sickness of this poor excuse of a mother, the judge ordered supervised visitation, when the baby was 4 months old she put a pill on the tray of the baby's exersaucer, thank God I seen it and she just said oops I don't know where that came from. Out the door she went and back to court I went to take away her parental right. My granddaughter will be 3 on Friday and her poor excuse of a mother has not seen her for almost 7 months. So, yes it's a hard long, costly court battle, but it's worth it if it will save my granddaughters life.. I did not wait...That is what I don't understand about Cindy A. She knew her daughter better than anyone...why? Why did she wait? Why didn't she step in and take over the situation? That is the Guilt that Cindy will live with for the rest of her life, George tried to step in and make Casey take the right path in life, other family members warned Cindy and she shut them out. Now look, the victim out of this is Caylee and nobody else. I feel nothing for anyone else but Caylee...

Please take a min and stop by and sign my petitions to help our innocent children.
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/alexus-law.html

Oh, I didn't mention that I did report this to the CPS -DCS AND THEY DID NOTHING BUT SEND HER TO PARENTING CLASS!

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Kudos MADJGNLAW!! That's a lucky baby to have you as a Grandma!!