Why do nons keep ignoring the following evidence?

[Compassionate Reader]

I have not heard that Jessie was denied SSI, either. He may have never applied, being of a "proud" nature when it comes to taking help, so I've been told. I, too, believe it to be a bit of a stretch to assume that his lack of receipt of SSI payment means that his mental disability is minor. I don't see the two things as being related. Unless one has proof that Jessie applied for SSI, based on his mental disability, and was denied such, I see no justification to make such an assumption.

 

[UdbCrzy2]

I have not heard that Jessie was denied SSI, either. He may have never applied, being of a "proud" nature when it comes to taking help, so I've been told. I, too, believe it to be a bit of a stretch to assume that his lack of receipt of SSI payment means that his mental disability is minor. I don't see the two things as being related. Unless one has proof that Jessie applied for SSI, based on his mental disability, and was denied such, I see no justification to make such an assumption.

Some claim that he functions like a 5-year-old and is borderline retarded. If he is having a hard time making ends meet, it would seem to me that with a 'disability' he would qualify for benefits, unless he does not meet the guidelines for such.

I believe his brother gets benefits because as I understand his brother is mentally handicapped, so I'm sure he and his family know how that works.

 

[Compassionate Reader]

Some claim that he functions like a 5-year-old and is borderline retarded. If he is having a hard time making ends meet, it would seem to me that with a 'disability' he would qualify for benefits, unless he does not meet the guidelines for such.

I believe his brother gets benefits because as I understand his brother is mentally handicapped, so I'm sure he and his family know how that works.

Again, a person doesn't just "get" SSI benefits unless that person applies for such. Is there any proof that Jessie has applied for and been denied SSI?

 

[missy_g]

He might have never applied.

How is that any of our business anyway??


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[primitivefuture]

He might have never applied.

How is that any of our business anyway??


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It isn't our business. And anyway, it seems like a particularly desperate way to try to "prove" Jessie isn't of below average intelligence and highly susceptible to suggestion.


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[OEJ]

I think it is hard for a lot of people to believe in false confessions since they know they would never confess in a million years. Basically, if a confession doesn't match with the known evidence, it is false. If the police have to keep helping you out because you can't get it right, it's false. I've seen false confessions happen with people who have average to above average I.Q.'s, as well, so how much of a contributing factor intelligence is, I don't know. I think it has to do with how one views authority. I'd like to see more research done. I would also like to see all interrogations video and audio taped. More and more police departments are doing that, but I'd like to see it mandatory in capital cases like this.

 

[animlzrule]

I listened to a podcast recently. They were interviewing a detective about I believe interrogation techniques or something related. He said he gives seminars to police departments on the subject. When he gets to the part about false confessions (which he says are very real and are easily influenced by the interrogator) about half of the seminar participants get up and leave. Makes you wonder about the true motives of law enforcement when they are so unwilling to educate themselves and elevate their work performance and respect for the law.

 

[OEJ]

I listened to a podcast recently. They were interviewing a detective about I believe interrogation techniques or something related. He said he gives seminars to police departments on the subject. When he gets to the part about false confessions (which he says are very real and are easily influenced by the interrogator) about half of the seminar participants get up and leave. Makes you wonder about the true motives of law enforcement when they are so unwilling to educate themselves and elevate their work performance and respect for the law.

That is shocking to hear. Do you remember the name of the speaker or have a link to that podcast? I'd love to hear it.

 

[primitivefuture]

I think it is hard for a lot of people to believe in false confessions since they know they would never confess in a million years. Basically, if a confession doesn't match with the known evidence, it is false. If the police have to keep helping you out because you can't get it right, it's false. I've seen false confessions happen with people who have average to above average I.Q.'s, as well, so how much of a contributing factor intelligence is, I don't know. I think it has to do with how one views authority. I'd like to see more research done. I would also like to see all interrogations video and audio taped. More and more police departments are doing that, but I'd like to see it mandatory in capital cases like this.

Edit: hit send before I was finished.

There are many things I would never do or say "in a million years", but I would never presume that that means other people wouldn't do or say those things. The face that so many people are so closed-minded and ignorant about the possibility of false confessions is distressing.

There are several possible factors that can lead to false confessions. Police coercion, duress, fear of any number of things and mental impairment, to name a few. Not to mention the fact that the police are allowed to lie to a suspect in order to elicit a confession. I'm with you. All interrogations and confessions should be taped, and I don't mean just the last 30-45 minutes.

 

[Compassionate Reader]

Unfortunately, the Reid technique is legal. The fact that it can lead to false confessions is often overlooked in LE's zeal to make an arrest. I just wish that LE was more concerned with finding the truth than making an arrest.

Because of it’s demonstrated unreliability and the frequency with which it elicits false confessions, the Reid Technique has been renounced in Canada and Great Britain. (source}

 

[OEJ]

s demonstrated unreliability and the frequency with which it elicits false confessions, the Reid Technique has been renounced in Canada and Great Britain. [/COLOR] (source}[/QUOTE]

Wow!! I didn't know that.

 

[animlzrule]

That is shocking to hear. Do you remember the name of the speaker or have a link to that podcast? I'd love to hear it.

It is on I believe an archived episode of This American Life. I'll try to figure out which one it is and link to it…….

Here it is: http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/507/confessions

The whole podcast is really worth listening to, but the portion I referenced can be found starting around the 27-30 minute mark……

I was incorrect when I stated "about half of the seminar participants get up and leave". He does not quantify it, rather, he explains why he leaves the false confession portion until the end…...

 

[animlzrule]

I see there is a False Confessions thread on the forum. Other than copying and pasting, I don't know how to move posts to a different thread. It seems that some of what is being discussed about the false confessions here is pertinent on the other thread as well. If anyone wants to share the This American Life podcast info on the other thread, feel free! :seeya: