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[tybee204]

Sounds like you've been beaten down! sorry

...and the fat lady sings. I am out of patience. I hope you find a forum site that better suites your needs.

 

[GonzoReiter]

Julianne, Louisa, Details, Mushy, Teague and others said it very well. For it's faults, and yes...every forum has them, TWS is as good a place as any and better than most for discussing this case along with the other cases featured.

I've been as comfortable riding that JBR "whodunit" fence since 'Jan '97 as any one could be and never understood why I had to "choose a side" to discuss the case and the depth of emotion many have invested in these cases puzzles me no end.

It's my ever so humble opinion that if Karr is lying, which appears more likely than not, and JonBenet’s real killer is ever found, that person will seem a lot more like John Karr than he will resemble any member of the Ramsey family inside the house at 755 15th Street in Boulder that night, a decade ago.

 

[scandi]

Hi Broodwater,

I've been here for several years and never really ventured over to the JB forum. I thought almost everything that could be thought of or stated about the case was in print somewhere here. LOL The few times I came over, I learned they were extremely passionate about their positions, and there were several well known oldsters there whose reputation preceded them, in other words were due a lot of respect for all the time and work they had put into their posts.

So after Karr was found, here I came, as the whole turn of events was fascinating. And I brought a philosophy with me that I post by.

I am 75% IDI, but I read everything unless it looks boring. And if I have an idea I want to discuss or put forth, I post it. If no one replies back to me, that's OK. If there is a heated discussion where I have no opinion, I go to another thread. I've found that many of the regular JB posters don't respond to me, but it is probably because my questions are way too elementry for them to take an interest.

But I don't worry about not being accepted by these posters. I read everything they write. Some days I hardly post, like today. I just read. I think you did the right thing by voicing your thoughts here.

And if I feel great passion about something, I will say it proudly. That is what we do together here - all relate to each other no matter who we are.

Scandi

 

[ragland]

scandi, im with you.....i feel the same way, i dont get responded to alot but i feel that the reason is the same.....they are much further on the road of knowledge than i, and i concur to their wisdom. either way it goes i love WS and aint going anywhere else...

 

[Beyond Belief]

I am with scandi also.

Everyone's a suspect until the case is solved.

 

[Backwoods]

I'm a newbie here too. This has proven to be a great place to get breaking info, and some pretty smart folks make some pretty good connections, with the advantage of having years of accumulated knowledge on this case. That said...it IS kind of a shock to stumble into the RDI wall for the first time...and also some pretty touchy egos here and there. And it is a good idea to check the context on anything you here quoted, I find...we ALL quote to the advantage of our particular theory, if we hold one, I'm sure.

Helped me understand the situation when Tricia posted the "it's a little bit different here...", and I did contemplate going elsewhere then...but for now, as I said, a lot of the wide-ranging info here is about as good as can be found, I think.... And I do think we IDIs serve a purpose here...guess things would get boring after a while w/o us.

 

[JBean]

Hi Broodwater,

I've been here for several years and never really ventured over to the JB forum. I thought almost everything that could be thought of or stated about the case was in print somewhere here. LOL The few times I came over, I learned they were extremely passionate about their positions, and there were several well known oldsters there whose reputation preceded them, in other words were due a lot of respect for all the time and work they had put into their posts.

So after Karr was found, here I came, as the whole turn of events was fascinating. And I brought a philosophy with me that I post by.

I am 75% IDI, but I read everything unless it looks boring. And if I have an idea I want to discuss or put forth, I post it. If no one replies back to me, that's OK. If there is a heated discussion where I have no opinion, I go to another thread. I've found that many of the regular JB posters don't respond to me, but it is probably because my questions are way too elementry for them to take an interest.

But I don't worry about not being accepted by these posters. I read everything they write. Some days I hardly post, like today. I just read. I think you did the right thing by voicing your thoughts here.

And if I feel great passion about something, I will say it proudly. That is what we do together here - all relate to each other no matter who we are.

Scandi

HI Scandi..great post. I agree with everything except I am 100% IDI.

 

[richandfamous]

Hell, I still think Santa did it...and I've been 'round here a long time! It's home!
But I am kinda pissed because the wall paper is blue...lol.

 

[tybee204]

For those new posters to WS and the Ramsey forum it may help to understand that before this Karr news broke this Forum was sustainded by a few dedicated members that have researched and lived this crime for 10 years. Their lack of patience or hospitality to the huge surge of new members and interested partys is likely more a sign frustration and of feeling like their 10 years of research and dedication and committment to justice for Jon Benet is not being respected or acknowledged. They in a sense have earned their stipes by staying the course whether RDI or IDI they have stuck it out for 10 years so far looking for justice.

 

[Backwoods]

For those new posters to WS and the Ramsey forum it may help to understand that before this Karr news broke this Forum was sustainded by a few dedicated members that have researched and lived this crime for 10 years. Their lack of patience or hospitality to the huge surge of new members and interested partys is likely more a sign frustration and of feeling like their 10 years of research and dedication and committment to justice for Jon Benet is not being respected or acknowledged. They in a sense have earned their stipes by staying the course whether RDI or IDI they have stuck it out for 10 years so far looking for justice.

Yes, Tybee, I did think of that angle of it. (Kind of makes ME feel like an "intruder", LOL) And I remember you welcomed me courteously to this forum right after I'd managed to bungle my very first post. Appreciated it!

 

[tybee204]

Everyone is welcome. We are only a week into this Karr thing and its been chaos. its going to take some time for the forum to adjust. It has gone from a dozen or so regular posters to hundreds. Things will smooth out and new members will find their fit. Hopefully everyone will have a little patience and understand that although Karr is a new case the Ramsey Case has been on going for 10 year and their is mountains of information and history to it. I have been here 5 years and I still havent caught up.

 

[Louisa]

For those new posters to WS and the Ramsey forum it may help to understand that before this Karr news broke this Forum was sustainded by a few dedicated members that have researched and lived this crime for 10 years. Their lack of patience or hospitality to the huge surge of new members and interested partys is likely more a sign frustration and of feeling like their 10 years of research and dedication and committment to justice for Jon Benet is not being respected or acknowledged. They in a sense have earned their stipes by staying the course whether RDI or IDI they have stuck it out for 10 years so far looking for justice.

On the other hand, not every "new" username coming to the Ramsey threads is "new" to the case by any stretch of the imagination. I just reconnected tonight with an old buddy I've known since the earliest days of JBR forums, and his username is on this thread. It will look "new" to most of the WS JBR people, just like my username probably does, but it doesn't mean either of us is "new" to the case or that we haven't put 10 years of research and dedication and commitment into justice for JonBenet.

Yes, there are some newbies coming on board. But there are also a lot of oldtimers reading here (as well as elsewhere), so there are perhaps two sides to this. There can be some frustration among old timers being treated as if their ideas can't possibly be valid because they haven't been posting on this particular board in recent years.

Just offering another perspective because it's useful to see things from both sides. No offense meant.

 

[tybee204]

Louisa I do understand that. That is why I was referring specifically to the user that had been dedicated on WS and keeping this forum going for years. It is taking adjustments for everyone.

 

[Details]

I think it's important not to get too ego-linked to your posts. Put them out there for what response they get. If no one believes you, no one even bothers to respond, and you are right - an "I told you so" is yours! There are a ton of reasons why people will not reply to a post, and few enough of them are anything personal - most of the time, especially during an explosion like this, it's because they have limited time, and can only read so much in a day.

People might recognize you as an old-timer, or, if you have good info, then you can appear as a brilliant, precocious newbie - IMHO, all that matters is what you post.

 

[julianne]

Their lack of patience or hospitality to the huge surge of new members and interested partys is likely more a sign frustration and of feeling like their 10 years of research and dedication and committment to justice for Jon Benet is not being respected or acknowledged. They in a sense have earned their stipes by staying the course whether RDI or IDI they have stuck it out for 10 years so far looking for justice.

OK....I feel like I have to respond to this and I know I'll probably get attacked, but here goes anyway.

In posting in this forum, I have made it no secret that I have not followed this case closely for the last decade. While I do know a majority of the information that's out there, I don't know all of it. And in stating that in a post, I was told that I shouldn't post UNLESS I HAVE followed this case closely for the last decade!!! It's not like new information has been uncovered every 6 months for the last decade. The information out there was pretty much all uncovered within the first year, give or take a few new theories, or rulings from judges. So, for the last 9 years, it's pretty much been the same evidence....nothing new. Except of course for the last week. Respect goes BOTH ways....AND everyone should be "hospitable" regardless of RDI, IDI, or NRFKWDI (Nobody Really Freaking Knows Who Did It).

I respect everyone on here, whether they JUST arrived, been here for over a year like me, or longer. Any info on this case I already knew prior to coming to WS. It shouldn't be seen as "Those Who've Earned Their Racing Stripes" versus "Those Who Haven't." That's not what this is about! That, IMO, is exactly what some folks mean in previous posts. I realize that you are using that term metaphorically, Tybee, but it gets played out in literal terms.

I am not directing this post at Tybee, I just feel like it needs to go out to everyone. I've never had any hurt feelings only because I am one tough chica, and I actually WELCOME debate....I thrive on it and always have. I just hate the fact that some people feel like they can't post here because they aren't welcome, or their theories aren't welcome. Some people are more sensitive. But everyone needs to remember that we ALL are here for justice for JonBenet. EVERYONE. The newbies, the oldies, the tweeners, the RDI'S, the IDI's, and OTF's.:blowkiss: :blowkiss: :blowkiss: :blowkiss: :blowkiss: :blowkiss:

Don't shoot the messenger, lol!

 

[Louisa]

Excellent post, Julianne! That one ought to be bronzed and hung on the doorway to the forum, putting this thread to rest!:angel:

 

[tybee204]

LOL which is why I said it takes time for it all to smooth out. In all reality WS is a crime forum and we discuss the most heinos acts of mankind. It stirs passion and at times hostility. When you are looking at the underbelly of humanity being sensitive or thin skinned is a definite disadvantage. This type of interest brings alot of people from many many walks of life. From victims to LE, stay at home moms to Lawyers and Reporters. It is amazing venue for people from all walks of life and locations all over the world to interact. But personalities will conflict, and whats written dosent always portray the meaning or emotion behind it. Misunderstanding and misinterpretations occur. Sometimes we type a post thinking it is brilliant and no one responds or we dont get the response we anticipated. It happens and the best thing is to move on and not let it bother you.

 

[kazzbar]

Excellent post, Julianne! That one ought to be bronzed and hung on the doorway to the forum, putting this thread to rest!:angel:

Could not agree more. I am sick of some posters making nasty comments to newbie posters they do not agree with. There are no medals for who has been here the longest.Just get over it! Just play nice !
I just want to see Justice for Jon Benet.
In that WE are all UNITED.:slap:

 

[tumble]

That you allow flaming and intolerance to any theories other that RDI?

I would have moved on easily. This place really has no room for theorizing and ideas swapping. I can't even SEE through the posts sent out like missles to immediately silence anyone and anything that doesn't fit with the RDI crowd.

Fine - Tricia thinks they did it - so why even bother allowing anyone else? because you get bored agreeing with each other and pattig each other on the back so let in people who debate and discuss so we can bait and attack?


This is so outright exactly how it is - you are all absolutely humoring yourselves if you even attempt to say this isn't how it is. I'll admit there are a very few RDI's out there that allow a debate or theory without throwing a bunch of bad unproven statements around like arsonal - but very few.


You want us out - Just say so! And don't say - you can not reqad what you want - that's a cop-out for not moderating properly.


Still on the fence TB

Actually I think much of the inflamed discussion occures because an IDI context is being discussed and many believe the R's actions after the fact in that context is not particularily nice.

Many who argue that way who don't believe in an intruder scenario but a more 'innocent' accident scenario with a coverup don't really feel so bad about the R's behaviour in that context.

 

[itsreenw]

Yes - I can pretend not to see the obvious too. Doesn't make it so.


I came here to maybe be pushed off the fence by reason and GOOD investigative facts - this is just not the place to do that I see.

No one likes anything crammed down their throats - you can tell me all night about how you just "Never see such a "thang" from these nice folks" - but uh - you're obviously just trying to play nice!!

TB, at this point you are just wasting space. You've expressed how you feel about WS, now let's move on, please. Let's get back to the real reason we are here. TB, you have the floor now...PLEASE share your theory and GOOD investigative facts. Tell us who, when, what, why and how you think this happened. Give us RDI's a reason to think like you think.