Why hasn't there been an arrest?

[iamnotagolem]

I have to say that with LE saying as little as they have, they sure didn't waste any time reporting that JI/DB were not cooperating.

 

[cityslick]

Sorry to interrupt here, but please help me refresh my memory; didn't DB say in one interview that LE told her "We know you did it, and we have nothing."?

I don't know if they said that or not but if in fact that was said, the person who said it should be fired. Since when does LE show their hand to on what that got (or don't have) on a potential suspect? It's also a common interrogation tactic to make the person you are interviewing feel like you have something on them when you really don't. Saying 'we have nothing' is actually the opposite of that.

 

[cityslick]

If LE tell the parents that they have evidence of an intruder, then maybe the parents would sit down and talk with them, because they wouldn't have to worry about LE trying to extract a confession from them, like they did back in October, according to Deborah.

I think both LE and the parents can both agree that nothing that LE tells them is going to suddenly give trust. I think the only thing that they can tell them that may help communication would be if LE said they were looking into a POI.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

If a decomposed Lisa is found, how exact would the time of death be? Say they did find her body, and it had too much medication in it, or it was shaken baby syndrome, or drowning, whatever, DB/JI could say this happened after Lisa was "abducted".

Would like your input for any who know. tia

I think that if a 10 month old child's body was found outside nine months after death it would be totally skeletonized.

Could you tell the exact time of death? No.

Could you tell if the person was drugged? Maybe.

Could you tell if the person drowned? No.

Could you tell if the person suffered from shaken baby syndrome? Maybe.

Could you tell if the person died of natural causes? Maybe.

Could you tell if the person was a homicide victim ? Maybe.

Yes, in a circumstance like this, I would say that a good defense attorney could argue that most anything found pointing towards the defendants could have happened outside of their control.

But it depends on the evidence.
It still could point to an individual that's guilty and be enough to convict.

 

[KsStormy]

If there were an injury such as a blow to the head, you'd be able to tell. I think that is why they didn't call 9/11, it wasn't an accident and they knew it would be obvious.
MOO
:cow:

 

[redheadedgal]

I have to say that with LE saying as little as they have, they sure didn't waste any time reporting that JI/DB were not cooperating.

unlike innocent parents who do whatever it takes to find their child (see comments by john walsh and marc klass), DB and JI were quick to stop cooperating and therefore LE were similarly quick to disclose this. i'm sure they had their reasons to do so.

 

[hambirg]

If there were an injury such as a blow to the head, you'd be able to tell. I think that is why they didn't call 9/11, it wasn't an accident and they knew it would be obvious.
MOO
:cow:

ITA. . .there had to be a reason for a cover-up. I'm still inclined, after all these months, to think a drunk DB shook BL. I don't think it has to be anymore complicated than that. Well, or perhaps an overworked, angry JI.

 

[redheadedgal]

I'm still inclined, after all these months, to think a drunk DB shook BL. I don't think it has to be anymore complicated than that.

you know how many people have said that no way lisa was the 30 lbs listed on the fliers? i have to wonder if she was listed as a heavier weight b/c DB rolled over onto her and suffocated her and to make this seem less likely the baby was said to be larger... ??


this weight chart shows a 10 mo old on average is 22-24 lbs, not 30:

http://www.weightof.net/2011/08/average-weight-2-month-old-baby.html


(and again, b/c LE cannot prove why lisa is dead, there's been no arrest as no definitive charges can be laid without the crucial information of knowing accident, negligence or murder)

 

[4Jacy]

you know how many people have said that no way lisa was the 30 lbs listed on the fliers? i have to wonder if she was listed as a heavier weight b/c DB rolled over onto her and suffocated her and to make this seem less likely the baby was said to be larger... ??


this weight chart shows a 10 mo old on average is 22-24 lbs, not 30:

http://www.weightof.net/2011/08/average-weight-2-month-old-baby.html


(and again, b/c LE cannot prove why lisa is dead, there's been no arrest as no definitive charges can be laid without the crucial information of knowing accident, negligence or murder)

Great post, however, do you think these two would have thought of that? Wasn't her weight given to LE before the attys. were involved (anyother words before they had a chance to slime it up).

 

[Nom de plume]

you know how many people have said that no way lisa was the 30 lbs listed on the fliers? i have to wonder if she was listed as a heavier weight b/c DB rolled over onto her and suffocated her and to make this seem less likely the baby was said to be larger... ??


this weight chart shows a 10 mo old on average is 22-24 lbs, not 30:

http://www.weightof.net/2011/08/average-weight-2-month-old-baby.html


(and again, b/c LE cannot prove why lisa is dead, there's been no arrest as no definitive charges can be laid without the crucial information of knowing accident, negligence or murder)

I seriously doubt DB had any idea how much she weighed and just guessed.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

you know how many people have said that no way lisa was the 30 lbs listed on the fliers? i have to wonder if she was listed as a heavier weight b/c DB rolled over onto her and suffocated her and to make this seem less likely the baby was said to be larger... ??


this weight chart shows a 10 mo old on average is 22-24 lbs, not 30:

http://www.weightof.net/2011/08/average-weight-2-month-old-baby.html


(and again, b/c LE cannot prove why lisa is dead, there's been no arrest as no definitive charges can be laid without the crucial information of knowing accident, negligence or murder)

Whether Lisa weighed 24lbs or 30lbs would not be a factor to LE when considering an accidental smothering in my opinion. Saying that, I don't think that Lisa's stated weight has any factor in why there has been no arrest yet in this case.

And your right, LE needs crucial information before charges or even an arrest can be had. It's called evidence showing someone is guilty of a crime.
JMO.

 

[redheadedgal]

I seriously doubt DB had any idea how much she weighed and just guessed.

i thought parents (moms mostly) tracked the weight of their children... mine did.

LE enforcement even encourages it just in case...


oh-- i never said her weight would be a factor in what LE considered just as i never stated her weight had any bearing on lack of arrests...

 

[Deleted member 39678]

i thought parents (moms mostly) tracked the weight of their children... mine did.

LE enforcement even encourages it just in case...


oh-- i never said her weight would be a factor in what LE considered just as i never stated her weight had any bearing on lack of arrests...

I'll agree that DB may have been off a bit with Lisa's stated weight, but I'm not sure that she intentionally lied about it either.

Do we have a way of knowing that Lisa didn't weigh 30lbs?
JMO.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Not sure what this has to do with being arrested but we can all see by the beautiful pictures that Lisa seemed to be a happy, chunky baby. According to the chart I've linked below (because I found it difficult to read the esteemed rhl's chart [bad eyes]}, if Lisa weighed 30 pounds at 10 months she was off the chart. It indicates that if she weighed 24 pounds at 10 months she was already in the 97th percentile. So 30 pounds really is "off the chart."

The 30 pounds might very well be a guess, may be true. Doesn't mean her parents are bad in and of itself. Just might be one more thing to add to the aberrant facts of this entire case.

CDC Girls Weight for Age Percentiles: http://www.kidsgrowth.com/stages/viewgrowthcharts.cfm?id=GW036

 

[Deleted member 39678]

This was just so pointless!! These two know exactly where that baby is, I really wish they would be arrested...:maddening:

I really wish that whoever is guilty in Lisa's disappearance is not only arrested but found guilty in a court of law.

Why do you think that there has been no arrest yet in this case?

 

[lonetraveler]

Not sure what this has to do with being arrested but we can all see by the beautiful pictures that Lisa seemed to be a happy, chunky baby. According to the chart I've linked below (because I found it difficult to read the esteemed rhl's chart [bad eyes]}, if Lisa weighed 30 pounds at 10 months she was off the chart. It indicates that if she weighed 24 pounds at 10 months she was already in the 97th percentile. So 30 pounds really is "off the chart."

The 30 pounds might very well be a guess, may be true. Doesn't mean her parents are bad in and of itself. Just might be one more thing to add to the aberrant facts of this entire case.

CDC Girls Weight for Age Percentiles: http://www.kidsgrowth.com/stages/viewgrowthcharts.cfm?id=GW036

IIRC, Lisa was also very tall for her age.

 

[redheadedgal]

Not sure what this has to do with being arrested but we can all see by the beautiful pictures that Lisa seemed to be a happy, chunky baby. According to the chart I've linked below (because I found it difficult to read the esteemed rhl's chart [bad eyes]}

just saw this-- aww, you're too kind! and, back at ya :seeya:

 

[4Jacy]

Well, August has rushed in with a resounding thud of nothingness. I suppose DB is sitting on her butt at the computer, despondent about our opinion of her. Perhaps JI is straightening up the cellar and stocking the bar for another party. Probably boys are with grandparents or uncle PN.

Whatever is going on in the household tonight, you know they are not looking for their child. Probably not even thinking about her with all the "adult time" that is needed.

Time to change the laws when it comes to missing children.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Well, August has rushed in with a resounding thud of nothingness. I suppose DB is sitting on her butt at the computer, despondent about our opinion of her. Perhaps JI is straightening up the cellar and stocking the bar for another party. Probably boys are with grandparents or uncle PN.

Whatever is going on in the household tonight, you know they are not looking for their child. Probably not even thinking about her with all the "adult time" that is needed.

Time to change the laws when it comes to missing children.

BBM
Which laws would you like to see changed?

 

[4Jacy]

BBM
Which laws would you like to see changed?

5th Amendment. Parents of missing children should be made to talk with LE and take Sodium Penethol tests and have them admissable in a court of law. These babies/children cannot defend/fight for themselves. Laws must be changed.

Those are the laws I'd like to see changed, "RANCH".