Why not put Casey in the general population while in jail...??

[JaJo]

Who would be shaken to their very core here if Casey is protecting her daughter and she is alive. I'd be humbled!!

 

[Lexington]

But WHO told Kiomarie she was not welcome there 'because she was Hispanic'... Cindy told her herself OR did Casey say 'that's what my mother said?'

Casey said that Cindy didn't like Hispanics. But then again, I don't think that Kiomarie was credible.

 

[Whisperer]

While I disagree that smart, logical people cannot be found in prison, I agree that Casey will not have a difficult time in prison. I don't think people are going to believe her story but it's prison, they will over-look her crime it's what we do in prison. She is a con-woman, she will be very successful in prison... We will hear of affairs with guards and other inmates (if she is in gen.pop) and milking money out of "pen pals" who want to marry her.

ITA...Thank you OneLostGrl.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Bev,

With all due respect, I still do not see what your solution would or should be in the event that Casey is adjudged guilty at her upcoming trial.

What type of punishment do you deem would be appropriate for having murdered that precious baby? Do you even think that she should be punished? Should we simply forgive her and send her on her merry way to potentially commit this same type of behavior down the road again?

Allowing for forgiveness is one thing--certainly anyone can be forgiven for their actions--however, in our society someone who commits a crime is also subject to receiving just punishment.

Forgiveness for crimes such as rape and murder does nothing if punishment is not also meted out--it simply says, "It's okay whatever heinous act you committed. We forgive you. There will be no punishment, so you are now free to go out and commit this type of horrendous crime, or worse, again. Peace be with you."

As a daughter, sister and granddaughter of mentally ill family members, I have a lot of compassion for those who are so afflicted. My father was a paranoid schizophrenic who brutally attacked my step-mother, cutting her face so severely with the bottom of a broken beer mug that she required almost 3500 stitches to her face. She endured 17 surgeries to put her face back together again. For this act, my father was hospitalized in a mental institution for many years, and when he was finally released back into society, he committed suicide.

My grandfather was a paranoid schizophrenic who traumatized the entire family with his abuses and rage. He drank himself to death at an early age.

My sister was a paranoid schizophrenic with anti-social personality disorder. She lied her way through life, stealing from anyone and everyone, and could weave stories more complex and detailed than those we have seen from Casey. Talk about scary. She committed suicide in September, rather than face the music for having deceived her husband of 18 years, and her children who are now 28 and 26 years old. Her entire life story, in their view and now in retrospect, was a complete falsehood. Nothing about her past, as she had related to them, was the truth. They are still struggling to come to terms with the deception, nevermind her last selfish act of taking her own life.

Throughout my life, I have watched these family members commit crimes, and even after I spoke with law enforcement in hopes that they would be charged with crimes and jailed (thinking that it MIGHT change their behavior), nothing was done.

When I found out that my father had exposed himself to a woman in a parking lot and subsequently arrested, I was outraged and when he went to court, I asked that he please be put in jail. He was given a very light sentence of 6 months probation and put back on the streets. It was his first offense.

When my sister stole DOZENS of identities and bought cars, furniture, clothing and jewelry, sold drugs on the street, and spread her AIDS around like it was a gift, I begged law enforcement to PLEASE incarcerate her. These felonious acts were never even dealt with, not in court, not in a mental institution, not in any manner. Putting either of them in a mental hospital would have been nothing more than a little vacation away from home. It certainly is not punishment for the crimes they committed.

Just because someone is mentally ill does NOT mean that they do not know right from wrong. Yes, granted, there are many who cannot grasp this concept because they are so ill, but what about those who DO understand the distinction? My sister and father both fully understood that what they were doing was wrong, yet they never had to be responsible for their actions.

I fully understand what you are saying; don't get me wrong. But I see nothing in what you wrote that indicates how you feel this type of behavior should be dealt with so that we, as a society, can feel and see some sort of retribution, not to mention safety from people such as those who commit murder.

What you stated is that anyone who commits a crime must be mentally ill, and as such should be given some sort of leniency, and most especially forgiveness. You also state that we, as a society, simply are warehousing mentally ill people, so I can only assume that you are inferring that all of the prisons are full of mentally ill people who deserve our forgiveness, but not our punishment.

Where do we draw the line as to what is acceptable behavior, and when the behavior is deemed unacceptable, what are the repercussions?

(I want to state here that I did not share the stories of my family history for any type of sympathy. I simply shared them so it would be apparent that I have experience from that side of the issues. No matter what my family did, if they committed a crime they should have been punished, especially given the fact that they were well aware of the potential consequences of their actions. It is beyond me how they ever escaped being incarcerated.)

Great post! :clap:

I come from a family of people much like yours. My step-father reeked havoc on my family for 17 years, (since I was 12 years old I was sleeping with my bedroom door locked and my light on, my mothers check book hidden under my mattress so he wouldn't steal it while she slept) after my mother attempted suicide and was in the hospital- he emptied their bank account (again) and went on a weekend crack binge, crashing their only car while he's at it.. When he finally came down from his high he knew he'd be in trouble.. he called me on the phone crying asking how he could make it up to my mom- how he could "fix it" (fix it, he's been doing it for 17 years! she just tried to kill herself and is still in the hospital for crying out loud, and he thinks he can FIX this?! he will just do it again, like always!) and I just said "Kill yourself, just kill yourself because it's gonna be you or her!"

My sister (I live out of state) went with the police & found him 2 days later. But you know what- I have no guilt- NONE! he needed to die! My mother didn't even cry. She was still in the hospital so she was able to get the help she needed there and she is doing so good, she is like a new person since he died. It was the best thing that could have happened to her, she had been living like a zombie on pain pills for years, just staying numb. She is going to church. She laughs.

My stepfather was also "mentally ill" he was diagnosed with Antisocial personality disorder (psychopath). That- personality disorders- are not mental illness. The mentally ill have morals and honor. We do not have a disordered character we have mood and psychosis and thought disorders but our souls are still intact... unlike people with personality disorders.

I am mentally ill and I have done some bad stuff, I won't lie. but my child is the only reason I am still alive! he is my LIFE. I could never harm him- ever! and I have Bipolar, bad! I just don't get this mind set that people think mental illness causes evil.

 

[LI_Mom]

Great posts, Cleo & OneLostGirl.

Thanks for sharing. :blowkiss:

 

[kgeaux]

Bev,

With all due respect, I still do not see what your solution would or should be in the event that Casey is adjudged guilty at her upcoming trial.

What type of punishment do you deem would be appropriate for having murdered that precious baby? Do you even think that she should be punished? Should we simply forgive her and send her on her merry way to potentially commit this same type of behavior down the road again?

Allowing for forgiveness is one thing--certainly anyone can be forgiven for their actions--however, in our society someone who commits a crime is also subject to receiving just punishment.

Hi, there, Cleo. I read your entire post, just snipped it here to save space.

I can't answer for Bev, but I can tell you that forgiveness does not mean that the forgiven person will not have to face the consequences. Victims' families sometimes forgive the person who has harmed their family, but that criminal still faces the justice system.

One does not preclude the other.

 

[Bev]

I don't know what you want me to say Cleo. I don't make the decisions as to who gets put in prison and who doesn't. That's why we have juries. Until societies decide to spend more money on people than they do on weapons and armies, then our only choice is to warehouse people in prisons instead of at the very least trying to treat them. I'm a realist, I understand this, until we have the technology and knowledge to fix these broken people, we really have no choice but to remove them from society and keep them in warehouses which is what prisons really are - society's warehouses for the people who are broken and suffer from mental deficiencies so severe that they act against their own best interests as human beings.

In no way am I suggesting that because they're mentally ill that they be excused or their behavior rationalized or justified or that they be free to roam the streets - the rest of society has the right to live their lives free from fear that these people cause. What I am suggesting is perhaps we should look at ourselves a little bit and examine our own behavior - if we wish harm and beatings and death on someone who has caused harm and death, how does that make us any better or morally superior to that person?

In other words, you can't teach a child not to hit if you hit him to teach him not to hit...

 

[OneLostGrl]

I don't know what you want me to say Cleo. I don't make the decisions as to who gets put in prison and who doesn't. That's why we have juries. Until societies decide to spend more money on people than they do on weapons and armies, then our only choice is to warehouse people in prisons instead of at the very least trying to treat them. I'm a realist, I understand this, until we have the technology and knowledge to fix these broken people, we really have no choice but to remove them from society and keep them in warehouses which is what prisons really are - society's warehouses for the people who are broken and suffer from mental deficiencies so severe that they act against their own best interests as human beings.

In no way am I suggesting that because they're mentally ill that they be excused or their behavior rationalized or justified or that they be free to roam the streets - the rest of society has the right to live their lives free from fear that these people cause. What I am suggesting is perhaps we should look at ourselves a little bit and examine our own behavior - if we wish harm and beatings and death on someone who has caused harm and death, how does that make us any better or morally superior to that person?

In other words, you can't teach a child not to hit if you hit him to teach him not to hit...

:clap::clap: I agree!

 

[tiredofthis]

I don't know what you want me to say Cleo. I don't make the decisions as to who gets put in prison and who doesn't. That's why we have juries. Until societies decide to spend more money on people than they do on weapons and armies, then our only choice is to warehouse people in prisons instead of at the very least trying to treat them. I'm a realist, I understand this, until we have the technology and knowledge to fix these broken people, we really have no choice but to remove them from society and keep them in warehouses which is what prisons really are - society's warehouses for the people who are broken and suffer from mental deficiencies so severe that they act against their own best interests as human beings.

In no way am I suggesting that because they're mentally ill that they be excused or their behavior rationalized or justified or that they be free to roam the streets - the rest of society has the right to live their lives free from fear that these people cause. What I am suggesting is perhaps we should look at ourselves a little bit and examine our own behavior - if we wish harm and beatings and death on someone who has caused harm and death, how does that make us any better or morally superior to that person?

In other words, you can't teach a child not to hit if you hit him to teach him not to hit...

I do agree with what you are saying, Bev.

 

[PhoneBoothBandit]

Because everybody has the right to security of person, Casey would in all likelihood be attacked. Prison personnel are very aware of this.

 

[stagehand]

What does any of this discussion have to do with sleuthing?

 

[static]

With the speedy trial being granted for Amy, does that mean KC will go into general population,if convicted of all charges, in prison?
http://www.wesh.com/caseyanthony/index.html

 

[okiedokietoo]

I know we all want her in general population but an inmate can request protective custody and the jail/prison would put her in protective custody if they were concerned about her welfare

 

[kpalma715]

I wish she was in PC, but it will never ever happen.

 

[kpalma715]

I wish she was not in PC***, sorry typo!!!

 

[TotallyObsessed]

I doubt it, but we can still dream.............

 

[MaryAnn]

Hopefully one of the other inmates will have a roll of duck tape.

 

[KenoshaKid]

I doubt she'll get time for the check fraud charges right away. I'm betting on something like 4 years, suspended. Once she is convicted of murder, then the fraud sentence will be tacked on to the murder sentence.

 

[Disguiseduser0308]

Wow, I'm surprised Judge Strickland decided to allow the forgery trial to go before her murder trial! This is good news.

Considering all the charges pending against her it's not likely she would ever be placed in GP. In fact, I'm glad she won't because then that means she will definitely stand trial for Caylee's murder. I want Casey to face what she's done in a court of law. If some inmate takes her out before then it will leave too many unanswered questions. Questions we here have been anxiously awaiting the answers to.

 

[trafficsUP66]

With the speedy trial being granted for Amy, does that mean KC will go into general population,if convicted of all charges, in prison?
http://www.wesh.com/caseyanthony/index.html

I see no reason why she can't be sentenced and transferred to state prison once abjudicated guilty. Many prisoner's are transported every day from these prisons to court hearings.
Why should inmate Anthony be any different?
I cannot see her getting time served considering all of the counts. Nor is there any reason that because she has another criminal case pending, whether murder and/or any other charges, she should be sentenced any differently than the rest.
Since her murder trial is a long way off I predict her stay alone in her comfy little "room" is about to come to an end and the reality of prison life will be an abrupt, unwelcome and certainly shocking revelation to a victimizer who would then be subjected to those like her but with far more sophistication and hard core method to their madness.
She won't fit in.
She'll be skeered they'll :croc:her alive.
She's a monster baby killer but no where near some of those muscle bound, street-smart felons.

Even in protective custody in prison--they find ways to get to the worst of the worst--and that's baby killer's so she'll go in on the bottom of the pit and remain there IF she can live thru it!



To me, that's the best punishment for a human waste such as Ms Anthony whose used to being the bully and the one in control!