Why weren't LE looking for an accomplice before now?

[sherbetjello]

If LE had information early on that there was a mystery person by, in, or around Terri's truck, why weren't they asking the general public for help identifying this person? If the witness is credible and saw someone near the truck, shouldn't there be a description?

You know, this is a very valid question. I believe that LE from the very start of this was trying to pin the last person that saw Kyron. Seems that it's typical LE work to do this, and in a way TOTALLY makes sense. Usually, LE has something to work with, ... like video, or a trail (DNA) of some sort to confirm their "hunches." But, in this case... nope. All I see from the outside in is speculation and "framing" [in terms of media and public opinion.] Given what sells in the media, the speculation that "The evil step mother did it!!" sells a lot ads, and also gains a lot of viewers. It's sensationalism at it's best, and it's made a young man fall to the wayside.
It's unfortunate that with the lawyers evolved that there might never be true justice in this case. We might never, ever know what happened to Kyron because of a few missteps by a few people (LE and school - I am NOT placing BLAME here though.)
I am personally not okay with that, and it caused me to have a minor meltdown here the other day. It's frustrating to think that there are people that could of given valid, important information from the get go, but I sort of understand how "complicated" this case may be (just from the information that the media has provided us, the spectators.)
It's really tragic across the board, makes my heart ache. I want justice in an almost impossible way.
All I can do personally is pray, which is a semi-new thing for me to do but I do it for Kyron. I pray when I wake up that today is the day it is served, or today is the day that the IMPORTANT information comes, and even better.. today is the day Kyron comes home.

 

[cypress]

May I be honest? I dont understand the statement indicating they were not.....we have no idea what LE was looking for in all this time. Not being snarky-I think this case has been in total lockdown with the exception of what is being released in what seems to be a very controlled manner. JMO.

But Kyron is missing, and LE have no evidence of his death. If there is a chance, no matter how remote, that he might be brought home alive, then why wouldn't LE release more information about this mystery person?

LE certainly had no qualms about implicating Terri Horman in this matter with their first questionnaire. LE certainly had no qualms about implicating Dede Spicher in this matter with their second questionnaire. Until Kyron is found, forget the statistics, time is of the essence!

If LE deemed the witness credible enough to go to the press with staged photos and an appeal for help, then why not put together a composite sketch or basic information, such as what the person was wearing, if they were male or female, the color of their hair, the color of their skin, etc.?

 

[cluciano63]

Those flyers with Terri and Dede's photos make me uncomfortable. I guess I understand why they are doing it, but the ones with the truck in posed spots make me feel uncomfortable too, too much like almost planting a memory in someone's mind.

I am reading a book right now about a murder in NJ in 1922 and a witness claims she saw a certain woman do the murder. The cops bring her in, the witness says, well she had a grey coat and a flannel hat when I saw her, so the cops made the woman put on a grey coat and a flannel hat and then the witness says, "yep, that's her." That's kind of how this truck thing makes me feel...and this was almost 100 years ago, when, by the way, they still brought the body forth for the jurors to mull over at the inquest.

 

[grandmaj]

I believe the timeliness of the second flier could well be the composite in living color of the person they are seeking information about. The timing of that flier makes me believe that it was no accident that the next day the presser asks for help in trying to determine if anyone was in the area or associated with the truck.

I personally believe there was some creative placement and color modification in that flier.

There are three white trucks on the top in different angles.

Below left a picture of Terri with her hair color toned down almost mono and below that a picture of Dede with similar coloring. Middle picture they both are red heads top and bottom. Right picture again a toned down color.

IMO this is the composite.....

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/49808947/Police-Flyer--Terri-Horman-and-DeDe-Spicher

 

[ami]

Something else that everyone has been wondering about is whether the mystery person is male or female. Even that simple detail is not being disclosed and it makes me wonder whether the witness saw a 'shape' moving around, either near or inside of the truck. If LE knows, then I would expect that piece of general info to be out there as soon as possible. Tips coming in could be followed up on or thrown out based on the gender alone.

About composite sketches: I wonder if the details would be so vague that the tipline would be ringing off the hook with people submitting their info about Joe Blow in the description. I don't know, just speculating.

I also think that LE simply doesn't want to give any info about the mystery person in or near Terri's truck. If someone saw a person near her truck and is willing to talk about it with LE, they either already know the gender or can give some other indication that matches previous witnesses.

You know, this is a very valid question. I believe that LE from the very start of this was trying to pin the last person that saw Kyron. Seems that it's typical LE work to do this, and in a way TOTALLY makes sense. Usually, LE has something to work with, ... like video, or a trail (DNA) of some sort to confirm their "hunches." But, in this case... nope. All I see from the outside in is speculation and "framing" [in terms of media and public opinion.] Given what sells in the media, the speculation that "The evil step mother did it!!" sells a lot ads, and also gains a lot of viewers. It's sensationalism at it's best, and it's made a young man fall to the wayside.
It's unfortunate that with the lawyers evolved that there might never be true justice in this case. We might never, ever know what happened to Kyron because of a few missteps by a few people (LE and school - I am NOT placing BLAME here though.)
I am personally not okay with that, and it caused me to have a minor meltdown here the other day. It's frustrating to think that there are people that could of given valid, important information from the get go, but I sort of understand how "complicated" this case may be (just from the information that the media has provided us, the spectators.)
It's really tragic across the board, makes my heart ache. I want justice in an almost impossible way.
All I can do personally is pray, which is a semi-new thing for me to do but I do it for Kyron. I pray when I wake up that today is the day it is served, or today is the day that the IMPORTANT information comes, and even better.. today is the day Kyron comes home.

I honestly don't know what the police would have to gain by the media selling more papers. LE is not making money off Kyron - the papers might be, but LE is not selling newspapers.

I feel like LE is being discredited pretty seriously here without any proof that they are not doing their level best to find Kyron.

I'm frustrated and scared that Kyron hasn't been found, too, but the person/people to blame are the ones who have taken him - an invisible target right now.

 

[pufnstuf]

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If LE deemed the witness credible enough to go to the press with staged photos and an appeal for help, then why not put together a composite sketch or basic information, such as what the person was wearing, if they were male or female, the color of their hair, the color of their skin, etc.?

I think that it's fairly obvious that investigators know the identity of the person in the truck. Most likely, they want more witnesses to come forward who can confirm what they already have through other witnesses.

If investigators were to release a sketch of the person that they believe was sitting in the truck, then anyone could come forward and say, "Yeah, I saw that person in the truck with that hair and those clothes on, just like you show in the sketch." Versus witnesses coming forward who have no foreknowledge of what investigators know, and giving uninfluenced descriptions of what they saw.

Again, sounds like investigators are being thorough and open-ended instead of steering potential witnesses toward a singular conclusion.

 

[Emma Peel]

wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

can you tell us if you saw someone associated with a white truck at skyline and, oh by the way, call us if you parked by the white truck that day and oh, can you put this composite on your refrigerator before you call us, and fill out the questionairre too?

wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

I realize you just said the same thing grandmaj. I just thought I'd say it another way.

, , oke:, oke:


:innocent:

 

[matou]

I believe the timeliness of the second flier could well be the composite in living color of the person they are seeking information about. The timing of that flier makes me believe that it was no accident that the next day the presser asks for help in trying to determine if anyone was in the area or associated with the truck.

I personally believe there was some creative placement and color modification in that flier.

There are three white trucks on the top in different angles.

Below left a picture of Terri with her hair color toned down almost mono and below that a picture of Dede with similar coloring. Middle picture they both are red heads top and bottom. Right picture again a toned down color.

IMO this is the composite.....

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/49808947/Police-Flyer--Terri-Horman-and-DeDe-Spicher

Interesting idea. I like it. The red toning of DD and Terri's photos with the reddish auras around them make me think of dim or mood lighting and what they would look like in a dark place like a bar or restaurant. The photos of Terri with brown hair could be how she could look through tinted windows. JMO

 

[SmoothOperator]

I believe the timeliness of the second flier could well be the composite in living color of the person they are seeking information about. The timing of that flier makes me believe that it was no accident that the next day the presser asks for help in trying to determine if anyone was in the area or associated with the truck.

I personally believe there was some creative placement and color modification in that flier.

There are three white trucks on the top in different angles.

Below left a picture of Terri with her hair color toned down almost mono and below that a picture of Dede with similar coloring. Middle picture they both are red heads top and bottom. Right picture again a toned down color.

IMO this is the composite.....

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/49808947/Police-Flyer--Terri-Horman-and-DeDe-Spicher

I was about to post this in response to cypress post about why not release a composite drawing? And my response was they have, only better its an actual picture...
My thoughts exactly

 

[cypress]

Before Dede Spicher emerged on the scene there was absolutely no indication by LE that Terri had help in carrying out her nefarious plan. None. The first questionnaire sent out to the community asked for information about Terri, where she was at the school that day, her truck, etc. Especially at that time, if someone had seen someone else in the vehicle, LE would've needed help in identifying that person because Dede had not yet emerged as a player in this case and wouldn't for three weeks.

For nearly two months there was absolutely no indication by LE that their theory about Terri abducting Kyron from the school included an accomplice. There was no plea to the community for help identifying that person, no composite sketch released, no, "Did you see anyone else around the Horman truck that day?" Nothing.

So then the issue becomes that after two months of media scrutiny, hundreds of interviews conducted with the parents, students, and teachers at Skyline, a questionnaire about Terri's truck and her movements at the school that day, re-interviewing parents, students, and teachers at Skyline, accusations by Desiree and Kaine that Terri is responsible for Kyron's disappearance, accusations by Desiree and Kaine that Dede Spicher is withholding information and is a possible accessory to whatever Terri has done to Kyron, a witness springs forth from the ether and suddenly remembers seeing Dede Spicher or someone who looks a lot like her hanging around the truck that day.

Or LE has no such witness, and they are simply fishing for information.

 

[grayjay]

grandmaj, you said it so very well. They sure did a good job of showing how similar these two women might look, even though in video I thought they were very different.

I think LE knew early on that there had been some slight of hand before everyone's eyes. I think they knew it was a criminal investigation before they came out and said it, too.

 

[nursebeeme]

If LE had information early on that there was a mystery person by, in, or around Terri's truck, why weren't they asking the general public for help identifying this person? If the witness is credible and saw someone near the truck, shouldn't there be a description?

If there is a description, why isn't it being released? Why would LE release a questionnaire with Dede's picture on it and ask about her whereabouts, but not reveal the basic characteristics of the person supposedly seen by, in, or around Terri's truck?

perhaps because they need more information on this second person?

focus four of the document clearly states they need more information from witnesses in fact specific witnesses in particular.

This investigation seems to be in the hands of the DA at present (him speaking at the last presser said a lot to me). Prosecutorial in nature? Perhaps.

As for releasing info.. LE releases what they need to to elicit responses that they need. What they do not release we can only speculate on and remember that they do not have to release a thing. In other words they do not owe us a thing. Law enforcement owes the public that they will protect and serve and if they are silent until they make an arrest I am personally fine with that. My hat is off to them for all their hard work.

 

[cluciano63]

How could Dede have been at Skyline before 9:00 if she did not vanish from work until 9:45 or after? I am very confused on that issue. And I am very, very doubtful as to more than two people being involved in this thing...that is at least one too many to keep quiet this long.

 

[ami]

How could Dede have been at Skyline before 9:00 if she did not vanish from work until 9:45 or after? I am very confused on that issue. And I am very, very doubtful as to more than two people being involved in this thing...that is at least one too many to keep quiet this long.

We haven't been told Dede's official timeline, only heard rumors.

It's interesting how few leaks there have been in a police department and associated organizations - there must be a hundred people working on some part of this investigation, yet for the most part they've been pretty quiet. It's also interesting how the perpetrator/s of the crime have been quiet, too. A lot of silence about this case.

 

[human]

1. I remember from early on I got the feeling that DY and KH did not think Terri had done this alone. Why they thought that, I have no idea.

Perhaps LE has known for quite awhile that another person was involved, but only recently got more info on the location of the second person. Maybe from batphone texts or GJ testimony or?

2. One time a child had brought a very expensive gold necklace to my classroom. I found it on the floor and I had no idea who it belonged to.

I sent out a note to all of the parents saying that I had found a necklace in my classroom. I know what it looked like.

I had one father with a criminal record call and say it was his. Too bad. Wrong description.

The actual owner did identify it. Her daughter had been digging in the jewelry box.

No description works to get the info you need.

 

[cluciano63]

I am hoping it isn't because Terri's alibi seems to be checking out and they can't see how she did it on her own.

 

[cypress]

IMHO, Terri's account of her whereabouts sounded bogus to LE, so LE bluffed her and lost when her account turned out to be true, at least the points they could verify. I believe cell pings place her near Suavie Island, but when a ping expert analyzed them, it was within the realm of possibility that Terri was driving around where she says she was and pinged off a Suavie Island tower.

I agree with human, in that Desiree and Kaine began to hint early on after Terri was cast out of the fold, that she had not acted alone. I also strongly believe that Terri's timeline doesn't leave enough time for her to have done this alone, and/or her timeline makes it iffy for her to have done this at all. As we've all been wondering -- if she was at FM in the morning, and ran into Andrea, chatted with her, had the baby, and seemed normal, where was Kyron? IMHO, she hadn't had enough time, at that point, to do anything nefarious and to be where it's proved she was (the first and second FM, and the driving time in between).

 

[Mamietwo]

It sure is easy nowadays to acquire cell phone numbers and tap into phone towers etc...I guess if I was going to be the target of public scrutiny I might want to get a private phone too. Who knows. Let's get back to why LE dropped the ball and never ran a parallel investigation looking into abduction. Also odd they never even bothered to interview the groundskeeper until two days ago...who else did they just flat out now know where up at the school that day?

I just posted on another thread that I thought LE should have called in the "very experienced" people for a case of this type-----I know we got 'em----before those that needed change their stories and "firm them up" could do that.

But, in response to your statement about LE not bothering to interview the groundskeeper, we don't know that they didn't interview them prior, it just came to light recently. Then again, the groundskeeper could have been in one of those 3,500 tips that they just got to. And if that's the case, then a brighter plan on the groundskeeper's part might have been to go to LE, themselves, and tell them that it was an impossibility for them to get through on the gravel road if there was a truck parked there, etc., etc.

 

[just]

I also think that LE simply doesn't want to give any info about the mystery person in or near Terri's truck. If someone saw a person near her truck and is willing to talk about it with LE, they either already know the gender or can give some other indication that matches previous witnesses.

I honestly don't know what the police would have to gain by the media selling more papers. LE is not making money off Kyron - the papers might be, but LE is not selling newspapers.

I feel like LE is being discredited pretty seriously here without any proof that they are not doing their level best to find Kyron.

I'm frustrated and scared that Kyron hasn't been found, too, but the person/people to blame are the ones who have taken him - an invisible target right now.

As many have stated before, none of us have any idea of what info LE truly has and what their intent is with all of this. It could all become very clear after an arrest. I think they were onto TH from day 1 and may have known about an accomplice early on as well but were hoping TH would slip up and say something/do something to help them find Kyron. Remember, they're goal isn't to arrest anyone, it's to find Kyron - however long it takes.

I'm certain they have valid reasons for handling things this way. I do wish they had mentioned Freddies (Fred Meyers) and the other roads earlier because I was at that Freddies around that time June 4th and remember that clearly because we had a party planned that day at my house and I needed supplies. But can I for certain say what day I may have seen a big white truck there or not? No, of course not. But I have to believe they have surveillance video and the real focus isn't did we see the truck, but who was in it...? Don't know...and someone before had asked me when I said I was hopeful Kyron was alive why I feel this way. Because TH may have had an accomplice, and because of the timeline and no physical evidence (known to us), it would be MUCH faster for TH to hand Kyron off to someone and then get back to her business of driving around to various stores to have alibis, wouldn't it? I mean, she's got a pretty tight time line and lots of travel that morning.

However, if she is as evil as I think she is, she could have sadly planned this out and simply weighted him down in something and shoved him in the Columbia or elsewhere knowing it would be nearly impossible to find him and also would leave little physical evidence. This is what that horrible couple did with poor Christopher Alan Brown so many years ago in Flint, Mich. http://www.michigan.gov/ag/0,1607,7-164-34739_34811-169223--,00.html - although in that case they found the poor boy but weren't able to arrest his murderers for 24 years (his SM and her boyfriend or husband).

I truly hope that TH handed him off, her motive being 'you took my son I'll take yours,' but telling her accomplices that KH is evil and that's why they need to keep the boy safe (i.e., she pretends she's the hero). The crowd she hangs with (i.e., sexting friends, body builders?) seem so screwed up that it's certainly possible they bought her version of things -- and would also explain the tight-lipped LE as they wouldn't want to push any accomplices into doing something stupid with sweet Kyron.

JMHO

 

[Mamietwo]

I am hoping it isn't because Terri's alibi seems to be checking out and they can't see how she did it on her own.

What did I miss? What is new in the Terri timeline and alibi that we know now to be considered checking out? TIA