Why? What was the motive?

[whitywendy]

LOL, I know the MacDonald case, unlike said poster. Anyone here knows it's my favourite case or was anyway. I started researching back in 1999. We have a group on another website that I am part of. All the documents pertaining to Macdonald are now online so MacDonald cannot hide behind the skirts of a paranoid schizoid drug addict...Helena Stockley any longer. The evidence of his guilt is overwhelming. How he got to her mother is just disgusting, I am sure he put the new wife up to it.

Yes, many people have stated you were the expert in regards to JM. I started reading at that website you mentioned. Oh, sooo many documents to browse.

 

[Missi]

No what has been said is that the issues she was dealing with in her life at the time (money problems, unhappy with self., ie diet pills, staying at home all day long with 3 kids with no transportation) made her depression worse and the diet pills just fueled it even more.

Have you ever taken diet pills? I have and they do mess with your mind. They make you very testy, impatient, argumentative and easily angered. Can't sleep worth crap. Depending on how long you are on them, it will just get worse. AND SHE WAS ON STRONGER DIET PILLS than what is on the market today. It is the same thing as speed, crack, coke, meth. Why do you think it is so regulated? I do not believe the government would allow 1 million people access to prescription diet pills or we wouldn't have so many people over weight now would we.

As far as have I ever been on prescription diet pills or any other drugs, yes I have as a matter of fact. I am a recovering addict so I know that those kinds of drugs can mess with your mind, but it doesn't make someone a killer. It seems that there is just as much evidence to me that she is innocent as there is for you that she is guilty, but everyone sees what they want to see. Has anyone here ever been brutally attacked? I have and you don't know how you will react to something like that unless you have been there. A lot of judgement going around for some that may not know what that feels like. I have done my research as you all have, maybe on different sites, but there is a lot more to this case then what is written here.

 

[Missi]

Whoa Missy - have you been talking to yourself? I was trying to read your posts and it sounds like you were conversating with someone but there are no other posts besides yours.

First of all, if you have researched this case as you stated, then you WOULD KNOW the reason why they only tried her for one of the boy's death. The same reason other people who are have killed multiple people. The DA saves the other for "JUST IN CASE". Just in case Darlie was to get off on a technicality, they would bring her back and charge her for the death of her other son. AND since Damon was 6 years old, that qualified for the death penalty.

Question for you: IF they had money in the bank WHY did the bank turn them down twice for a $5,000 loan just days before the murders? AND you obviously skipped over some facts in your research because there was a policy on Darlie. The baby was the only one without a policy. OH, and IF YOU READ THE TRANSCRIPTS, you would see that they owed American Express appx. $8,000, behind at least two months on their mortgage. IF THEY HAD $8,000 then why didn't Darin get his car out of the shop? Like I said I think you have skipped over some very interesting guilt proving facts while you were researching.

When I posted these replies it was my first time on the site and did not realize that I was making individual posts instead of it being attached to who I was replying to. It's too bad someone just couldn't have let me know instead of asking if I was "talking to myself". I thought I was entitled to voice my opinions about what I have researched just like everyone else.

 

[Missi]

JM murdered his family. Plain and simple truth. He has nothing to do with this case.

That is true that JM doesn't have anything to do with this case, but I was replying to a post that mentioned something about him and at the time I didn't know I wasn't replying right. I have done a lot of research for that case and there is new developments on that case, so IMO JM is innocent.

 

[Missi]

If you read the transcripts you will understand why Patterson took the 5th. IT IS AGAINST THE LAW TO RECORD SOMEONE WITHOUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE/CONSENT. BOTTOM LINE.... had nothing to do with his son. He was saving his own butt because Darlie's attorney was going to press this issue.

Not to mention another murder a week later that happened close to where this case was, somehow no one knows of this case. An intruder was reported.

Well another lapse in your research I see. The crime you are speaking of had to do with a rapist in the Dallas area, no where near where Ms Darlie lived. HE broke in with every intention of rape and used the women's kids against them to get them to do what he wanted.

THERE IS NO PROOF WHAT SO EVER THAT DARLIE WAS RAPED.[/quote]

There was a rape kit done and somehow those results "disappeared", plus my question is if there was no rape as you say or at least an attempted rape then where did the pubic hairs come from? They didn't match Darrin or Darlie....

 

[Missi]

It would appear that your research let you down. If you had researched this case, you'd know that "did not match anyone in the house" is not true. Darlie cannot be excluded as having left the prints.

We all have unsourced hair in our homes. We all transfer hair daily and we all drop hair daily. An unsourced pubic hair really doesn't mean anything without corroborating evidence of guilt. That hair and the limb hair could have come from anywhere.

Exactly the point, it could have come from anywhere, which to me says that there could very well have been someone else in the house that night. As for the fingerprints I do not believe my information has let me down. If everyone is so sure about the fingerprints then why not have this among other pieces of evidence retested to make sure with todays technology as Darlie has requested? Why keep denying it? If she is guilty or innocent then with the DNA tests today it should prove this one way or another.

 

[Missi]

Another badly researched case on your part Misi. MacDonald's hair (E5), the one he has stated for 30 years would belong to his wife's killer, was found clutched in his wife's dead hand. DNA testing proved it's his hair.

One tiny unsourced hair was found under his youngest daughter's fingernail. So was grass and dirt and a blood soaked blue pajama fibre from Mac's pajamas he wore the night he killed her. Her fingernails were not cleaned prior to her going to bed that night, nor were her hands bagged at the CS.

No dna in either hair, blood, no fingerprints, etc of Helena Stockley were found at the MacDonald crime scene nor was any dna, hair, fingerprints, fibres etc., found belonging to Greg Mitchell.

LOL again, Helena said anything to anybody. Her many confessions were not consistant with the crime scene, nor consistant with Mac's version of the crime. She was a pathetic drug addict who would have done anything for attention.

MacDonald in an amphetemene fueled rage murdered his wife and two baby daughters.

My dear friend apparently you don't know about the new info that has come to light or some of the old info either. There have been DNA tests that have been done that were not available back then that show of his innocence. Helena Stockley's mother has also recently submitted a sworn statement of what her daughter claims happened that night and it does match the story that JM has told all of these years. Not to mention she was seen by a MP that night a couple of blocks away from the JM house wearing what he described. That MP was told not to say anything about that sighting. There was also a phone call that was made at the time those people were in JM's house and Helena answered it and the caller said that she told him that JM was dead. She may have been a pathetic drug abuser, I agree, but she was still reliable enough to be an informant for the military for other issues including the drug problem on the FT Bragg base. She was also ready to testify in court and was threatened by the prosecutor if she did. Her father was a Colonel in the military and also did not want his daughter involved. Greg Mitchell had also admitted to being there and helped with the murders. I have a lot more info on this case and have a friend that has written about it and has had correspondence with JM's wife. The last thing is that when JM was originally arrested for the murders the US military cleared him and he was found not guilty. JM's injuries were also misleading to the public and were more extensive than described. Helena Stoeckley's mother has nothing to gain by giving this sworn statement about her daughter. She is setting things right. It is really too bad that your research has not led you to the truth. I would be happy to discuss this further and share more info if your interested.

 

[deanws]

That is true that JM doesn't have anything to do with this case, but I was replying to a post that mentioned something about him and at the time I didn't know I wasn't replying right. I have done a lot of research for that case and there is new developments on that case, so IMO JM is innocent.

Keep working on that research Missi....because the man is guilty and everything points to him and no one else. Welcome to WS.

 

[Missi]

LOL, I know the MacDonald case, unlike said poster. Anyone here knows it's my favourite case or was anyway. I started researching back in 1999. We have a group on another website that I am part of. All the documents pertaining to Macdonald are now online so MacDonald cannot hide behind the skirts of a paranoid schizoid drug addict...Helena Stockley any longer. The evidence of his guilt is overwhelming. How he got to her mother is just disgusting, I am sure he put the new wife up to it.

Actually I have also been researching this case for quite some time and the story behind how this sworn statement came to be is Helena's brother was the one that contacted JM's wife and told her that his mother knew the truth about what happened that night, so JM nor his wife or anyone else that is in his defense contacted Helena's mother, they contacted them. Plus if you know this case like you say then you would know that there have been DNA results that have come back that were not available in the 70's that has info that exonerates him,AGAIN....I say again because the military found him not guilty from the beginning.

 

[deanws]

When I posted these replies it was my first time on the site and did not realize that I was making individual posts instead of it being attached to who I was replying to. It's too bad someone just couldn't have let me know instead of asking if I was "talking to myself". I thought I was entitled to voice my opinions about what I have researched just like everyone else.

You have every right to voice your opinions and theories....but expect to be told when you are off base or miss key information or refer to the facts incorrectly. These ladies here know their facts! Stick around here.....you will learn a lot of interesting things. I know I have.

 

[Missi]

Keep working on that research Missi....because the man is guilty and everything points to him and no one else. Welcome to WS.

I have posted this already, but will say again that there has been DNA evidence that has come back recently that proves he was not the murderer. Not to mention the sworn statement by Helena Stoeckley's mother made back in March that has been submitted to the courts. I find it hard to believe that the military found him not guilty if he really was and the evidence I have seen points to his innocence. I do not take lightly putting myself on the line with either this case or Darlie's when it comes to someone murdering thier children, I have 6 of my own, so my research is thourough.

 

[Missi]

You have every right to voice your opinions and theories....but expect to be told when you are off base or miss key information or refer to the facts incorrectly. These ladies here know their facts! Stick around here.....you will learn a lot of interesting things. I know I have.

That may be so and maybe I will learn a lot, but just because I am new and you all have different opinions doesn't mean my research is wrong either. I am all for listening to everyone else, but I am not new to these types of cases. I also have a friend that has a lot more info and has written about these cases( especially JM and DR). You want me to have an open mind and I will, but I would expect the same back. One day we will all know what really happened and then the truth will be known. What makes everyone think that the research I have done is so inferior to any of yours, so I hope that where everyone has no problem letting me know when I am "off base" expect the same from me as well.

 

[deanws]

That may be so and maybe I will learn a lot, but just because I am new and you all have different opinions doesn't mean my research is wrong either. I am all for listening to everyone else, but I am not new to these types of cases. I also have a friend that has a lot more info and has written about these cases( especially JM and DR). You want me to have an open mind and I will, but I would expect the same back. One day we will all know what really happened and then the truth will be known. What makes everyone think that the research I have done is so inferior to any of yours, so I hope that where everyone has no problem letting me know when I am "off base" expect the same from me as well.

Sure. Most everyone here is nice and would love to know exactly what happen also...that is WHY we are here still posting after all these years! :angel:

 

[cami]

My dear friend apparently you don't know about the new info that has come to light or some of the old info either. There have been DNA tests that have been done that were not available back then that show of his innocence. Helena Stockley's mother has also recently submitted a sworn statement of what her daughter claims happened that night and it does match the story that JM has told all of these years. Not to mention she was seen by a MP that night a couple of blocks away from the JM house wearing what he described. That MP was told not to say anything about that sighting. There was also a phone call that was made at the time those people were in JM's house and Helena answered it and the caller said that she told him that JM was dead. She may have been a pathetic drug abuser, I agree, but she was still reliable enough to be an informant for the military for other issues including the drug problem on the FT Bragg base. She was also ready to testify in court and was threatened by the prosecutor if she did. Her father was a Colonel in the military and also did not want his daughter involved. Greg Mitchell had also admitted to being there and helped with the murders. I have a lot more info on this case and have a friend that has written about it and has had correspondence with JM's wife. The last thing is that when JM was originally arrested for the murders the US military cleared him and he was found not guilty. JM's injuries were also misleading to the public and were more extensive than described. Helena Stoeckley's mother has nothing to gain by giving this sworn statement about her daughter. She is setting things right. It is really too bad that your research has not led you to the truth. I would be happy to discuss this further and share more info if your interested.

No no no, my friend. The dna tests have been completed. There are no dna tests that show MacDonald's innocence at all because he's guilty as sin.

Helena was not seen by an MP anywhere near the MacDonald house. A woman wearing a floppy hat and a raincoat was seen by one MP ..Ken Mica....no one else. That mp also testified to the fact the woman he saw had "nice legs". MacDonald described the alleged woman in his house as wearing muddy boots.

A phone call? Really? From Jimmy Friar right? Why doesn't MacDonald remember this phone call? Why are there no phone records of this call. Why didn't the defense put Jimmy on the stand during the trial to testify to this alleged phone call?

Helena's mother can sign all the affidavits she wants. Why did she testify that her daughter was a drug addicted attention seeker who would have done anything for Prince Beasley including confessing to murder?

Helena was a small time snitch who Beasley used...she was not a informant for the military...get real, she was a 17 year old drug addict who would have said anything to anybody. One of the men she named as having been in that house that night was in jail at the time. She also confessed she saw MacDonald committing the murders.

Well yeah MacDonald alleges she was threatened by a prosecutor but the defence confirmed at trial that she told them exactly what she told the prosecutor.

MacDonald's injuries were not extensive by any means. Listen all the documents are on the net...go and read them.

When MacDonald can refute the blood evidence, refute the pajama top evidence, refute the bedsheet evidence, he might get someone to listen to him. Even his own experts at trial agreed with prosecution. He's lost every single appeal, no case has been litigated more than his. He's a brutal killer a psycopath who shows no remorse whatsoever.

Here's the link for you. You can read all the transcripts from the Article 32, the Grand Jury, the Trial. All the medical documents are there, etc. You can read the doctors testimony for yourself...all about Mac's little booboos. The only serious injury he had was the one he self-inflicted at the bathroom sink.

My research has led to the truth, the truth that Mac is an ice pick baby killer and he's where he belongs.

http://www.thejeffreymacdonaldcase.com/html/transcripts.html

Here's a link to the doctor's testimony....as you can see Mac was not seriously injured at all.

http://www.thejeffreymacdonaldcase.com/html/tt-1979jul30-bronstein.html

 

[cami]

As far as have I ever been on prescription diet pills or any other drugs, yes I have as a matter of fact. I am a recovering addict so I know that those kinds of drugs can mess with your mind, but it doesn't make someone a killer. It seems that there is just as much evidence to me that she is innocent as there is for you that she is guilty, but everyone sees what they want to see. Has anyone here ever been brutally attacked? I have and you don't know how you will react to something like that unless you have been there. A lot of judgement going around for some that may not know what that feels like. I have done my research as you all have, maybe on different sites, but there is a lot more to this case then what is written here.

I don't think anyone here said that prescriptions diet pills have made anyone a killer.

Please then point out the evidence that proves Darlie is innocent? If there's a lot more to this case than is written here, we'd like to hear it..well I would. None of us here want to believe that Darlie brutally killed her boys but there's no way to give her an out. There is zero evidence of an intruder in that home.

 

[cami]

Actually I have also been researching this case for quite some time and the story behind how this sworn statement came to be is Helena's brother was the one that contacted JM's wife and told her that his mother knew the truth about what happened that night, so JM nor his wife or anyone else that is in his defense contacted Helena's mother, they contacted them. Plus if you know this case like you say then you would know that there have been DNA results that have come back that were not available in the 70's that has info that exonerates him,AGAIN....I say again because the military found him not guilty from the beginning.

I've read the dna tests Missi. Please tell me then as to what dna test exonerates him? Why is he using Jimmy Britt and Helena's mother (poor soul) if he's been exonerated by dna?

No dna from Helena or Greg, no hair, no fingerprints, no footprints from either Helena or Greg found in the macdonald apt.

 

[whitywendy]

Well another lapse in your research I see. The crime you are speaking of had to do with a rapist in the Dallas area, no where near where Ms Darlie lived. HE broke in with every intention of rape and used the women's kids against them to get them to do what he wanted.

THERE IS NO PROOF WHAT SO EVER THAT DARLIE WAS RAPED.

There was a rape kit done and somehow those results "disappeared", plus my question is if there was no rape as you say or at least an attempted rape then where did the pubic hairs come from? They didn't match Darrin or Darlie....[/quote]


Are you serious? The pubic hairs could of come from Joe Blow repairing some kind of problem in the home. These types of hair can wonder in on your shoes. The results didn't disappear. It was proven that she was not raped!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Read the transcripts.............. then we can have a healthy discussion..

 

[whitywendy]

When I posted these replies it was my first time on the site and did not realize that I was making individual posts instead of it being attached to who I was replying to. It's too bad someone just couldn't have let me know instead of asking if I was "talking to myself". I thought I was entitled to voice my opinions about what I have researched just like everyone else.

Missy you are entitled to make your own opinions. I came back from vacation and noticed that you were replying to someone but could not tell who you were replying to.
I wasn't trying to put you down, I was asking a question..

 

[whitywendy]

As far as have I ever been on prescription diet pills or any other drugs, yes I have as a matter of fact. I am a recovering addict so I know that those kinds of drugs can mess with your mind, but it doesn't make someone a killer. It seems that there is just as much evidence to me that she is innocent as there is for you that she is guilty, but everyone sees what they want to see. Has anyone here ever been brutally attacked? I have and you don't know how you will react to something like that unless you have been there. A lot of judgement going around for some that may not know what that feels like. I have done my research as you all have, maybe on different sites, but there is a lot more to this case then what is written here.

YES I WAS IN FACT BRUTALLY ATTACKED. I REMEMBER EVERY FREAKING SECOND OF IT. HOW ABOUT YOU?

 

[whitywendy]

That may be so and maybe I will learn a lot, but just because I am new and you all have different opinions doesn't mean my research is wrong either. I am all for listening to everyone else, but I am not new to these types of cases. I also have a friend that has a lot more info and has written about these cases( especially JM and DR). You want me to have an open mind and I will, but I would expect the same back. One day we will all know what really happened and then the truth will be known. What makes everyone think that the research I have done is so inferior to any of yours, so I hope that where everyone has no problem letting me know when I am "off base" expect the same from me as well.

AGREED.