Why? What was the motive?

[Goody]

I think the "I'll show him" motive is a very good theory and not just because I've believed it for awhile either..lol..whether she actually threatened to "take" the boys from him(kill them) or she didn't, he would feel guilty. He knew he'd stirred her up enough to freak out, which is why he is still hanging on. If either one tells the truth, they both implicate themselves. I think that's why he won't unzip.:silenced: Now they're both trapped.

Well,it is not against the law to stir Darlie up with threats to take the kids away from her if she tries to leave him. So Darin has nothing to fear from any legal ramifications if she ever did decide to talk about it. From a more personal standpoint, he might have felt guilty for awhile if he thought the mind games he played with her had caused the crime, but I doubt if that would last 10 years and keep him forver tied to her. No, he must have some cupability to be sooooo quiet and loyal for sooooooooo long. Same goes for his mom. Rhe only thing she would have to lose by cutting Darlie loose would her son. The fact that she is still as loyal as she appears is sucpicious. I think he's quiet because he has something to fear from Darlie,and I think Sarilda is loyal to Darlie in order to protect her son because he has something to fear.

 

[beesy]

Well,it is not against the law to stir Darlie up with threats to take the kids away from her if she tries to leave him. So Darin has nothing to fear from any legal ramifications if she ever did decide to talk about it. From a more personal standpoint, he might have felt guilty for awhile if he thought the mind games he played with her had caused the crime, but I doubt if that would last 10 years and keep him forver tied to her. No, he must have some cupability to be sooooo quiet and loyal for sooooooooo long. Same goes for his mom. Rhe only thing she would have to lose by cutting Darlie loose would her son. The fact that she is still as loyal as she appears is sucpicious. I think he's quiet because he has something to fear from Darlie,and I think Sarilda is loyal to Darlie in order to protect her son because he has something to fear.

No, I didn't mean he's only being quiet because he feels he drove Darlie into killing the boys. I feel very strongly that Darin's part in this whole thing goes waaaaaaaay beyond telling some lies for Darlie. I think he decided to help her because he felt guilty. I'm sure she easily helped him to feel guilty. Remember, he worships or worshiped her. She twisted it around enough that night for him to feel as if he himself had stabbed Devon and I turn it over in my head all the time, wondering if he was the one who "finished" Damon off. Darlie was convicted for killing Damon, but there could be a possibility that Darin was just as guilty. We've talked about the fact that he allowed Damon to lie there while he tended to a very dead Devon. I think that "Damon, Damon, Damon" on the tape that for some reason only cami and I hear is Darlie possibly alerting Darin that Damon is moving. That's why he's stayed quiet. Even if Darin didn't hurt the boys, he did enough to land himself in jail if he ever tells the truth. I wonder if keeping up appearances is so important to both sides of the family that they are willing to go to any lengths to say Darlie is innocent. How horrible for them to have a killer in the family. Much better that your daughter, sister, cousin, daughter-in-law, niece is wrongly accused.

 

[beesy]

Darlie was generally p.o'd that night. She was angry with the boys, she was angry with Darin, she was angry about the lack of funds, she was angry about having to give up her trips plus she was nervous and out of sorts due to the PPD and diet meds, lack of sleep, etc. And when she got angry she probably lost sight of the fact that the boys were just children. She felt the sting of their misbehaving very deeply. And I imagine she was not above taking her anger out with Darin on the boys like many parents do. I don't think she was calm as a cucumber. I think she was angry and she came up with her plan rather quickly, although I suspect it had crossed her mind in the past on other occasions when she was livid about something. People don't usually act on a wicked thought the first time it pops up. It is just on that night many things came together that had not before and how it did gave her the push she needed to cross the line.

I think Darlie had thought about this before too. Like you said, that night, everything came together and she did it. Just like the sinking of the Titanic. If just one of all those things hadn't happened, the tragedy would not have been what it was.
I think people misuse the phrase "in cold blood". That indicates someone who murders during a robbery or something like that, as in Capote's book. I always hear people say Darlie killed "in cold blood". No it wasn't, it was very passionate, very hot blooded. Now Susan Smith, that sounds like cold blood to me.
Intersting you used the phrase "cross the line". There's a book about Karla Faye Tucker called "Crossed Over". At which point does one go from being a slutty, drug-addicted loser to crossing the line and plunging a pick axe into somebody?
What made Darlie go from a frustrated, selfish, depressed, generally not so nice person to a killer? There are alot of frustrated, selfish, depressed, not so nice people who don't kill. It just all fit that one night. Any other night, it might not have happened.

If Darin threatened to take the kids and the house, etc. and use his mother to help him win custody over her (they liked drama he said), he would have the upper hand. Couples who are very competitive of each other never want to allow the other one that kind of power. And they hate losing. So if that was going on, I can see her sitting there after he went upstairs just seething and thinking of ways to get even with him, to take the power he thought he had away from him. And that might give her some bargaining power with him after the fact as well, if she can say, "If you hadn't said what you said, I wouldn't have felt so threatened and reacted the way I did. So you are just as much a part of this, too." it wouldn't work legally, but it might emotionally, depending on how co-denpendant Darin was.

Yep, very co-dependant I think. Remember he's said how he lost his whole family that night? If he hadn't supported Darlie, he wouldn't have lost custody of Drake. Poor Drake, he's a victim too.

 

[HeartofTexas]

Goody, one more thing I think we can throw in the pot for things bugging Darlie (that may have contributed to the events of that night) was not having a car. She had become totally dependent on Darin, which I doubt was something she liked very much. She no longer had free-wheeling money privileges, no longer had her own source of transportation, no longer had any real independence. And when you lose your independence (in her irrational way of thinking), then your children become your burden. They are, so to speak, the noose around your neck. I think that could have contributed to her anger at the situation she was in that night, too. Not directly, as in any hurtful words exchanged that night, but indirectly in that she was becoming a powder keg ready to explode.

 

[Goody]

Goody, one more thing I think we can throw in the pot for things bugging Darlie (that may have contributed to the events of that night) was not having a car. She had become totally dependent on Darin, which I doubt was something she liked very much. She no longer had free-wheeling money privileges, no longer had her own source of transportation, no longer had any real independence. And when you lose your independence (in her irrational way of thinking), then your children become your burden. They are, so to speak, the noose around your neck. I think that could have contributed to her anger at the situation she was in that night, too. Not directly, as in any hurtful words exchanged that night, but indirectly in that she was becoming a powder keg ready to explode.

Well, she had only been without a car for one or two days. However, it might have been the one thing that could have prevented this crime. If she had been able to get out that day and blow off a little steam, she might have been better able to cope with the stress of the day and put off what ended in the death of the children.

 

[Goody]

What made Darlie go from a frustrated, selfish, depressed, generally not so nice person to a killer? There are alot of frustrated, selfish, depressed, not so nice people who don't kill. It just all fit that one night. Any other night, it might not have happened.

Agreed.

Yep, very co-dependant I think. Remember he's said how he lost his whole family that night? If he hadn't supported Darlie, he wouldn't have lost custody of Drake. Poor Drake, he's a victim too.

There are a big long list of victims in this. That's the side of murder we rarely get to talk about.

 

[sue1017]

I think among other things she had cabin fever. Probably felt that the children were her reason for having to stay at home. Even tho if they had money or relatives they may have been able to drop them off.

Just throwing my 2 cents in. It's value is only worth 1/8 of the face value!!!

S

 

[cami]

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Agreed.



There are a big long list of victims in this. That's the side of murder we rarely get to talk about.

these lastest posts are just great. I agree with both Beesy and Goody, any other night and maybe this would not have happened. But something came together that night that turned Darls into a ripper.

the other night I couldn't sleep, lying there wondering why why why did you do this Darlie. What happened that drove you over the edge.

 

[Goody]

I think among other things she had cabin fever. Probably felt that the children were her reason for having to stay at home. Even tho if they had money or relatives they may have been able to drop them off.

Just throwing my 2 cents in. It's value is only worth 1/8 of the face value!!!

S

Hi, Sue. She did have family. I think that was a lot of her problem. Every one around her put her up on a pedestal. She and Darin made the most money and they made it so young that they were the family darlings. The ones probably held up to all the aunts and uncles as role models for the other kids, siblings, cousins, etc. You can hear a lot of that in her aunts'
testimonies at the trial. That was a lot of responsibility to live up to, esp if she didn't believe she was liked and loved for herself but for the money and what she could do for others. If she lost the money, she would lose the image and all the perks that went with it, even within her own family. Maybe esp in her own family.

 

[armywife210]

Yes.


actually it wasn't Darlie that was seen playing catch with Darin just after the murders, it was Darin and Dana, Darlies little sister

 

[armywife210]

actually it was Dana who was playing catch with Darin with the stuffed animals left at the house in the memory of the boys, not Darlie

 

[armywife210]

sorry I am still getting used to this forum. hehe

 

[Goody]

actually it was Dana who was playing catch with Darin with the stuffed animals left at the house in the memory of the boys, not Darlie

That was Darin's claim but the neighbor said it was Darlie she saw. At the very least, there is no evidence that it was not Darlie. No one has ever said where Darlie was that morning if not with Darin.

May I say Hi, Chewy or is that a case of mistaken identity?

 

[armywife210]

nope I am not Chewy. I have posted a couple of other times on this site, but not for awhile.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

I fail to see how this case can even come close to being compared to the Ramsey case. We don't know who murdered JonBenet.

 

[beesy]

I fail to see how this case can even come close to being compared to the Ramsey case. We don't know who murdered JonBenet

It can't and I never said it could. I was referring to the "proximate cause" defense and how Darlie could use it . I just happened to find it in the book on JonBenet. It could have been on the back of a cereal box for all I care. I was simply crediting my source and explaining it the way the author did.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

It can't and I never said it could. I was referring to the "proximate cause" defense and how Darlie could use it . I just happened to find it in the book on JonBenet. It could have been on the back of a cereal box for all I care. I was simply crediting my source and explaining it the way the author did.

You picked a bad example. There can be no proximate cause defense for murdering two sleeping children.

 

[beesy]

You picked a bad example. There can be no proximate cause defense for murdering two sleeping children.

You're missing my point. Many of us have talked about why Darin won't tell on Darlie and why she won't tell on Darin. One of my many theories is that Darin got Darlie so worked up that night, that she freaked. I've explained more on the other page. But anyway, that maybe they were fighting and she threatened him somehow, about killing herself or killing the boys and he said something like "oh yeah right, sure you will". So she met his dare and did it. So if Darlie's attorneys wanted to they could use this story and the proximate cause defense, thereby putting the blame onto Darin, hoping they can get Darlie off of DR. But that means Darlie has to admit she did it. I personally think its a lame defense, and do not believe that Darin made her do anything. I think she made him feel guilty by saying "look what you made me do", whine whine whine...But so many people ask why Darin won't tell on her, this proximate cause could be one of the many reasons. At this point her attorneys would take anything. I believe Darin was involved, therefore he knows she did it. If he opens up that can of worms and tells on her, she and her attorneys will shoot back with anything they can. So again, I was just defining it and siting my source, not comparing or using the Ramsey case as an example. Next time I'll just say I saw it on the back of a Cracker Jack box.

 

[Goody]

You're missing my point. Many of us have talked about why Darin won't tell on Darlie and why she won't tell on Darin. One of my many theories is that Darin got Darlie so worked up that night, that she freaked. I've explained more on the other page. But anyway, that maybe they were fighting and she threatened him somehow, about killing herself or killing the boys and he said something like "oh yeah right, sure you will". So she met his dare and did it. So if Darlie's attorneys wanted to they could use this story and the proximate cause defense, thereby putting the blame onto Darin, hoping they can get Darlie off of DR. But that means Darlie has to admit she did it. I personally think its a lame defense, and do not believe that Darin made her do anything. I think she made him feel guilty by saying "look what you made me do", whine whine whine...But so many people ask why Darin won't tell on her, this proximate cause could be one of the many reasons. At this point her attorneys would take anything. I believe Darin was involved, therefore he knows she did it. If he opens up that can of worms and tells on her, she and her attorneys will shoot back with anything they can. So again, I was just defining it and siting my source, not comparing or using the Ramsey case as an example. Next time I'll just say I saw it on the back of a Cracker Jack box.

Proximate cause means the primary cause of the crime, whatever it is. I think what you are talking about is usually held in civil cases. Example: a man is mowing his lawn on a riding lawnmover. He hits a rock that spins out into the street, goes thru a passing motorist's windshield. The motorist swerves by reflex and loses control of his car, plowing thru a neighbor's prized rose garden and plowing into his house. The neighbor sues both the motorist and the man on the mower. Who is the proximate cause of the accident?

Jeana, I hope you are reading about now. We need your input. LOL!

I don't see how this could apply to a murder case. Do you, Jeana?

 

[beesy]

Proximate cause means the primary cause of the crime, whatever it is. I think what you are talking about is usually held in civil cases. Example: a man is mowing his lawn on a riding lawnmover. He hits a rock that spins out into the street, goes thru a passing motorist's windshield. The motorist swerves by reflex and loses control of his car, plowing thru a neighbor's prized rose garden and plowing into his house. The neighbor sues both the motorist and the man on the mower. Who is the proximate cause of the accident?

Jeana, I hope you are reading about now. We need your input. LOL!

I don't see how this could apply to a murder case. Do you, Jeana?

Well, I deleted my 1st message, but basically I read about proximate cause in a book about the Ramsey case. Not comparing cases here or anything, just letting you know where I stumbled across it. The author's theory(his theory, not mine) is that if, for instance, a father had been molesting his child and the mother caught them and killed the child in a blind rage, then the proximate cause could be used as a defense. Again, author's thoughts, not mine. The author was saying that something like that could have caused a parent to go into such a rage as to commit a crime. So that's all I know about it. I then mentioned that if this is what proximate cause means, that perhaps Darlie's defense could use it if she ever confessed. She could blame Darin and say he threatened to leave her and take the boys..blah blah blah.. I never got my question answered though.