Why Would Terri Implore DeDe To Help Her?

[cypress]

I'm not sure about Dede, Cypress...don't know what to think. I just can't imagine a plot with two women plotting harm against a small boy. It seems as though Dede was accounted for, as far as we know from early AM until about 9:45 or so, which seems to preclude the abduction. That's why I am thinking any "help" she gave would be afterward. And maybe she is trying to avoid being charged with accessory or she has guilty knowledge. I just don't know-as a LE daughter, she may be more cautious about speaking without a deal.

Honestly, I don't think Dede is involved at all. If her relationship with Terri is not what it appears to be, a simple friendship, then that's another issue entirely. She moved in with Terri after Kaine left and, IMHO, suggested the batphones because she realized LE was on Terri like white on rice. I strongly believe that Dede believes or believed Terri is innocent, helped her, gave some horrible, awful advice, and unfortunately insinuated herself into this investigation.

DS is nothing more than a distraction, IMHO.

I honestly believe that the accomplice theory is Desiree and Tony's, and with DS being an (AHEM) unusual person, the batphones gave the story legs. Her supposed unaccounted for time has varied, in various articles, from 9:00, 9:45, 10:00, 10:30, 11:15 and 11:30 until 1:00. With the discovery of the batphones, Dede wasn't about to try to alibi herself out, IMHO. If she believes Terri is innocent, she believes she could be next in terms of a target, which is, IMHO, why she's stayed quiet.

In the end, I think DS's crime will be the suggestion of the batphones. At most, perhaps DS and TH were together that day, but not for the reasons LE assumes, IMHO.

All IMHO, of course.

 

[nonfictionrocks]

Honestly, I don't think Dede is involved at all. If her relationship with Terri is not what it appears to be, a simple friendship, then that's another issue entirely. She moved in with Terri after Kaine left and, IMHO, suggested the batphones because she realized LE was on Terri like white on rice. I strongly believe that Dede believes or believed Terri is innocent, helped her, gave some horrible, awful advice, and unfortunately insinuated herself into this investigation.

DS is nothing more than a distraction, IMHO.

I honestly believe that the accomplice theory is Desiree and Tony's, and with DS being an (AHEM) unusual person, the batphones gave the story legs. Her supposed unaccounted for time has varied, in various articles, from 9:00, 9:45, 10:00, 10:30, 11:15 and 11:30 until 1:00. With the discovery of the batphones, Dede wasn't about to try to alibi herself out, IMHO. If she believes Terri is innocent, she believes she could be next in terms of a target, which is, IMHO, why she's stayed quiet.

In the end, I think DS's crime will be the suggestion of the batphones. At most, perhaps DS and TH were together that day, but not for the reasons LE assumes, IMHO.

All IMHO, of course.

BBM

I love that line and on that note off to bed for me - thanks!

 

[cluciano63]

They why didn't she testify yet, I wonder? If she wasn't involved...that is the sticking point for me. I assumed she was waiting for a deal of some kind. Unless she is insisting on one to tell them anything under oath.

 

[cypress]

They why didn't she testify yet, I wonder? If she wasn't involved...that is the sticking point for me. I assumed she was waiting for a deal of some kind. Unless she is insisting on one to tell them anything under oath.

Maybe she was granted immunity, and she agreed to tell LE where she was prior to her Grand Jury testimony, but her testimony has nothing to do with Terri and/or is not incriminating in this case and/or LE doesn't believe her.

 

[txsvicki]

There's no reason to think that DeDe or any other adult actually helped Terri harm or kill Kyron. She may not have have even seen Terri that day or may have just been giving her support and friendship if she did. Moving in with her makes it seem that they had a very strong friendship though. If she did anything, it might have been that she was convinced of some type of abuse and wanted to help or put Terri into contact with someone who would help. Not saying there was abuse, but just that someone might have thought there was.

 

[cindysue]

In the end, I think DS's crime will be the suggestion of the batphones. At most, perhaps DS and TH were together that day, but not for the reasons LE assumes, IMHO.

All IMHO, of course.

If they were together that day for reasons other than the assumed one then why not say what they were doing? Why the need for secret phones the small fortune in lawyer costs, the moving in together,the sneaking off in the mid morning without your car. Etc etc .All this makes it seem suspicious if it were for some innocent reason why not say where she was exactly at the questioned time. I'd say at this point They both look equally guilty

 

[Emma Peel]

If Dede is a red herring, then last weekend's extended, intensive, area-specific search effort was ... based on a red herring.

Here's hoping that is not the case.

I tend to think that because LE & the DA are confident enough with regard to Terri & Dede being together that day to put that 2nd flyer out, that they some serious evidence they were together that day.

And I'm thinking that evidence might be something like ... bat phones ... or, at least, eyewitnesses ...

 

[BeanE]

If they were together that day for reasons other than the assumed one then why not say what they were doing? Why the need for secret phones the small fortune in lawyer costs, the moving in together,the sneaking off in the mid morning without your car. Etc etc .All this makes it seem suspicious if it were for some innocent reason why not say where she was exactly at the questioned time. I'd say at this point They both look equally guilty

The secret phones came weeks later.

 

[SurfieTX]

How about this. DD was apparently TH's confidant. We now know that TH was pretty angry about her son moving out. So, TH tells DD how awful Kaine is and they devise a plan to get "back" at him. The plan initially is just to hide Kyron for a little bit, yanno, just for a little "lesson" for Kaine on how hard it is to miss your own son. And possibly have TH or DD "find" him and become the heroes in everyone's minds.

But, after TH picks up DD, Kyron is killed on accident while trying to hide him or sedate him or whatever. So, now DD is involved, whether she likes it or not. Now the nefarious duo have to dispose of him and since DD knows the area by working on that farm, she knows of a few places or two. Remember, DD also was into composting, her dad was a search and rescue person, so she ended up having the specialized knowledge to accomplish this.

And perhaps some of this was alluded to or talked about on the bat phones after the fact. As well, that would explain TH's calmer demeanor in the store at first because Kyron was still very much alive at that point.

 

[Emma Peel]

The secret phones came weeks later.

I dunno BeanE. I dunno. Maybe two came early on? :waitasec:

We've got press talking about two bat phones being purchased June 4th (in press tweets only, though), and we've got talking heads press suggesting they were looking last weekend to recover cell phones.

Still, we can't know if those "sources" - which could be named if I wasn't just leaving for my day - (sorry), are reliable...

But, IIRC, there is the suggestion in the press that two of the super secret bat phones came into play the day Kyron disappeared...

:crazy:

 

[Aedrys]

How about this. DD was apparently TH's confidant. We now know that TH was pretty angry about her son moving out. So, TH tells DD how awful Kaine is and they devise a plan to get "back" at him. The plan initially is just to hide Kyron for a little bit, yanno, just for a little "lesson" for Kaine on how hard it is to miss your own son. And possibly have TH or DD "find" him and become the heroes in everyone's minds.

But, after TH picks up DD, Kyron is killed on accident while trying to hide him or sedate him or whatever. So, now DD is involved, whether she likes it or not. Now the nefarious duo have to dispose of him and since DD knows the area by working on that farm, she knows of a few places or two. Remember, DD also was into composting, her dad was a search and rescue person, so she ended up having the specialized knowledge to accomplish this.

And perhaps some of this was alluded to or talked about on the bat phones after the fact. As well, that would explain TH's calmer demeanor in the store at first because Kyron was still very much alive at that point.

ITA. I've been wondering if TH handed off Kyron to Dede, and something happened while he was with Dede and he died. Maybe she didn't know about his bee allergy, or something else. Some of my darker thoughts have TH handing Kyron over to Dede for her to kill him, but I don't know if I can quite go there yet. It just gets to me that she wants immunity so bad. If she didn't do anything, what is the point having immunity? That is what bothers me about Dede. I don't want to see her get immunity and then find out she's the one that hurt or killed Kyron for TH. Who knows how deeply this friendship goes? Neither of these ladies are convincing me that they are innocent of what happened to Kyron. I just wish he would be found because I have a feeling once he is, those two will be arrested. All they have going for them is that Kyron hasn't been found yet.

 

[debs]

We know Terri was upset; I don't believe it was reported she was 'very angry'....I'd be upset too if I couldn't live with my child because he's butting heads with my husband.

 

[SurfieTX]

We know Terri was upset; I don't believe it was reported she was 'very angry'....I'd be upset too if I couldn't live with my child because he's butting heads with my husband.

There was another MSM where it was stated that TH had her son move out to be closer to his real dad, not because of Kaine, but in other emails TH says that it was because of Kaine. So, who knows. I was mainly trying to hypothesize how DD became involved and also think in terms of this being unintentional in terms of Kyron's possible death.

 

[debs]

There was another MSM where it was stated that TH had her son move out to be closer to his real dad, not because of Kaine, but in other emails TH says that it was because of Kaine. So, who knows. I was mainly trying to hypothesize how DD became involved and also think in terms of this being unintentional in terms of Kyron's possible death.

J's father is quoted as saying that J moved to Roseburg to live with his grandparents, then moved in recently with him. The reason he gave was that Kaine was butting heads with J. This has been repeated from different people. The only person to suggest it was Terri's doing was Kaine, who said it was he acting as intermediary between Terri and J. He then backpedaled on that statement too suggest it was "a family decision" to send J to his grandparents. Seems to me more people understood it to be a problem with Kaine and J.

 

[Aedrys]

J's father is quoted as saying that J moved to Roseburg to live with his grandparents, then moved in recently with him. The reason he gave was that Kaine was butting heads with J. This has been repeated from different people. The only person to suggest it was Terri's doing was Kaine, who said it was he acting as intermediary between Terri and J. He then backpedaled on that statement too suggest it was "a family decision" to send J to his grandparents. Seems to me more people understood it to be a problem with Kaine and J.

And where did these people get that idea from? TH. For all we know she was lying to all of these people to make Kaine to be the big bad here. If she's conned people into believing she's a victim here and it's all Kaine's fault, then of course they are going to go along with it and repeat what she told them. The reason Kaine is the only one who says different is that he's the only one not influenced by her in any way anymore. Obviously, Dede was and still is influenced by TH, and I think that's a big reason why she hasn't cracked. She may be the last friend that still believes in TH. I think TH not fighting for her daughter made many of her other friends question what she had told them. If Kaine is such a big bad, why let him keep baby K and not fight for her? It makes no sense.

Anyway, the only one who knows for sure why he was made to leave is J, and he's a minor, so we're not hearing from him anytime soon, which makes the whole argument moot. I am not convicting Kaine of anything based on TH's friends and family agreeing with her assessment of the situation. I am not taking anything she says as gospel.

 

[grandmaj]

The full quote is.........

J was a student at Lincoln High School in Portland, where he was on the swim team and played trumpet in the school band. Tarver says Terri Moulton Horman sent the boy to Roseburg in March this year because his grades were slipping and he was acting out at home.

“He and Kaine on occasion butted heads, because J is hard-headed,” Tarver says.

This is from the father. He did not put the blame on Kaine.
http://wweek.com/editorial/3634/14214/

I'm not sure Dede's part was planned in advance. But rather getting a call to assist Terri.

 

[BeanE]

because his grades were slipping and he was acting out at home.

snip

because J is hard-headed,” Tarver says.

This is from the father. He did not put the blame on Kaine.

You're right. It didn't stand out to me until now. He put the blame on the child. Ugh.

 

[1Chump]

http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/story.php?story_id=127986068822133000

Law enforcement investigators told Kaine Horman and Desiree Young that Terri Moulton Horman had apparently been in “close contact” with DeDe Spicher. They said Spicher also had provided “support and advice” to Terri Horman, Kaine’s estranged wife.

This statement prefaced the letter from Kaine and Desiree.

Kaine and desiree also state in their letter that the information came from Law Enforcement.

That is that reporters conclusion of Kaine and Desiree's statement. However, if you read the statement, they are very careful not to say the information is from LE. They suggest it but NEVER state it.

Good Evening, We have been briefed by law enforcement on the most recent developments in Kyron’s case.

We have been informed that they have identified a person that has been in close communication with Terri Moulton Horman since Kyron went missing and her name is DeDe Spicher. She has not only been in close communication with Terri but has been providing Terri with support and advice that is not in the best interests of our son. Additional information provided shows that she is refusing to cooperate with law enforcement, she is also going as far as to suggest to others that may have information regarding Kyron’s disappearance, not to cooperate as well. We implore DeDe Spicher to come forward and cooperate with the investigators in any way that they need in order to assist us in finding our son. We will state further that if we find out through the investigation that she caused a delay in us finding our son due to her lack of cooperation, we will pursue civil remedies in this matter. We as a family cannot understand how anyone can look at Kyron’s smiling face, having information and choose not to help bring him home. Please remember what this is about, it’s about bringing a wonderful little boy back to his family.

*****
"We have been informed that they have identified"....informed by whom? If it was LE why are they saying that someone informed them that LE has identified? Why not say LE has identified?

"Additional information provided shows"....information from where? Again, why would they need "additional information" to show them that she is not ccooperating with LE if LE told them that?

Because they started out the statement with the fact that they had been "briefed" by LE, IMO people jumped to the conclusion that everything they state came from LE.

IMO, they were extremely careful in the wording and NEVER said LE made any of those claims.

 

[Leila]

ITA. I've been wondering if TH handed off Kyron to Dede, and something happened while he was with Dede and he died. Maybe she didn't know about his bee allergy, or something else. Some of my darker thoughts have TH handing Kyron over to Dede for her to kill him, but I don't know if I can quite go there yet. It just gets to me that she wants immunity so bad. If she didn't do anything, what is the point having immunity? That is what bothers me about Dede. I don't want to see her get immunity and then find out she's the one that hurt or killed Kyron for TH. Who knows how deeply this friendship goes? Neither of these ladies are convincing me that they are innocent of what happened to Kyron. I just wish he would be found because I have a feeling once he is, those two will be arrested. All they have going for them is that Kyron hasn't been found yet.

I'm leaning towards a similar theory. I think that in the beginning this may have started out as an "abduction" to teach Kaine a lesson about how it feels to miss your son. But something went terribly wrong.

 

[cindysue]

I'm leaning towards a similar theory. I think that in the beginning this may have started out as an "abduction" to teach Kaine a lesson about how it feels to miss your son. But something went terribly wrong.

I could go along with that theory too if it hadn't been for the MFH she isn't playing with that , one hand wanting her husband dead then wanting to teach him a lesson. The two don't jive. IMO. And also what's the likelihood of him accidentally dying in a couple hours of being in their company?