GUILTY WI - 12-Year-Old Girls Stab Friend 19 Times for Slenderman, Waukesha, 31 May 2014 #1

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-Very advanced verbally
-never had eye contact issue (In fact, he almost adores eye contact...too much. He likes to make people feel uncomfortable.)
-Can be very affectionate, but definitely will push you away if he doesn't feel like. He is not adverse, though.
-Works a crowd
-Never had "ticks"

They did do extensive evaluations, but was never found to be on the spectrum. They have done a lot, because he's been a bit puzzling. They are going through the children's hospital, and they just aren't sure what is up with him.

ETA: I should note, I have always believed my sister (his mother) is a psychopath. Not the violent type. She most definitely is narcissistic. She had a lot of issues as a child as well, and a lot of darkness. His is just more disturbing.

Extremely scary. Sounds like sociopathy. He needs therapy. I am sorry.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Or possibly, they have a born mental illness. It does not HAVE to be home life. Look at how many people who do horrific things have great lives, and siblings who are very good citizens.

I guarantee you kids look at that stuff, that suffer great abuse. I guarantee you kids look at that who come from crappy and negligent homes. They don't murder. You can't automatically explain away things, by a home life you don't know about. I really think the investigation will reveal that these kids had normal lives at home. I don't think they suffered great negligence or abuse. I think the explanation is found in the girls, not outside of them.

That's just my personal opinion, of course.

The thing is there could be a defect here, But this could also be the result of home life.

 

[Spice]

The culture at large IS hugely violent. The country DOES practically worship guns and military might. People are more concerned about seeing a breast in public than they are about seeing a gun. Wtf?! It is so warped to me.

It's revolting and backwards is what it is. I'm embarrassed by it.

 

[blue22]

The thing is there could be a defect here, But this could also be the result of home life.

Yes, I agree. I just don't think it's that in this specific case. I don't think either of us is right or wrong right now, we just don't know enough. It's simply my personal feeling, that there is nothing very amiss in their homes. (At least in one of their homes.) The investigation will reveal their home lives.

 

[blue22]

Extremely scary. Sounds like sociopathy. He needs therapy. I am sorry.

He is in therapy. Has been for 2 years.

 

[appleeye]

The thing is there could be a defect here, But this could also be the result of home life.

It could, yes but by all accounts to date, it is not. I thought speculation about the family was off limits.

 

[MyBelle]

Do they stay in state? Can they be put out of state? Excuse my ignorance of your system

That's okay. I think far too many Americans are also ignorant of our system. The prison system is state by state. I live in the upper Midwest but not Wisconsin. What I know about my own state is because of some research work I've done as part of a commission on the status of women.

My own state has contract arrangements with other states in case our facilities are over-capacity. The state tries to keep juveniles convicted in juvenile court in separate facilities as close to their families as possible so they can visit. Our juvenile facilities have a higher incidence of physical assault on both staff and other inmates because it is not run by the Dept. of Corrections but that is changing.

Our youth facility for male offenders who were convicted of adult crimes is a maximum security prison. It actually has a high school with teachers and offers a graduation ceremony with cap and gowns for both graduates of the high school and also those who receive their GED. Participation is an earned privilege. Parents come to it.

I think what the public often doesn't understand is the number of youth offenders and the complex mental health issues they often have or how deeply ingrained "gang" affiliations can be. Those with serious mental health issues are housed in a separate part of the prison. They do not interact with other inmates. Their educational studies are self-study monitored by a teacher.
JMO

 

[nightwatch]

How many 12 year olds do you know that still believe in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny? I'm sorry but if these girls actually believed slenderman lived in a mansion in the woods then they have mental problems or they are far smarter and manipulative then we have a clue.

I'm in the smarter and manipulative mind set. Their confessions weren't humble we're sorry for hurting her, go back and read their words. I wouldn't be surprised if they may have thought we are kids going to juvenile detention won't be for long. Jmo,moo,

ciao

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

It could, yes but by all accounts to date, it is not. I thought speculation about the family was off limits.

You can not exclude that possibly home life being part of the equation here.

 

[MyBelle]

The culture at large IS hugely violent. The country DOES practically worship guns and military might. People are more concerned about seeing a breast in public than they are about seeing a gun. Wtf?! It is so warped to me.

Slenderman isn't gory or violent. He's creepy - in the way that ghost stories are creepy. I'm not going to say creepy stories led to this murder, but maybe a morbid fascination plus the added comfort level with violence that we grow up with in this country (plus the psych issues, etc)

We don't know any more details besides Slenderman yet, so I'm not going to guess at what else they read/watched. But will agree that culturally, the US is way too comfortable with violence. It permeates absolutely everything. And though this case does not involve guns, combining this worship and glorification of violence with easy access to weapons is a DISASTER.


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I agree there is violence everywhere but parents have a duty to limit exposure to it. My gosh, even the tv news will advise ahead of showing something particularly graphic so parents can protect their child from seeing it. There are warnings for movies, video games, movies and have been for years.

JMO

 

[Spice]

I agree there is violence everywhere but parents have a duty to limit exposure to it. My gosh, even the tv news will advise ahead of showing something particularly graphic so parents can protect their child from seeing it. There are warnings for movies, video games, movies and have been for years.

JMO

Violence is heavily weaved intrinsically into our American Culture. You can't "monitor" culture, because you cannot turn it off. It just is. And it contributes to their socialization. We are all products of it. Each individual will process it and engage with it in their own way. It's also regional in America, each area and state in the Union has its own culture under the bigger Umbrella of American Culture. Its fascinating really. But no matter the region, America is obsessed with violence and glorifies it constantly.

 

[tresptip]

After reading some of the articles people have linked to, I honestly believe M.G. was born a psychopath and is a pathological liar.I'm only glad that she was caught young.God only knows what monster she could grow into.I feel so sad for her parents.

 

[bt208]

It's very heavily weaved intrinsically into our American Culture. You can't "monitor" culture, because you cannot turn it off. It just is. And it contributes to their socialization. Each individual will process it and engage with it in their own way. It's also regional in America, each area and state in the Union has its own culture under the bigger Umbrella of American Culture. Its fascinating really.

I wouldn't limit the culture of violence to America. It's a worldwide culture. Americans put way to much blame on their shoulders. It's on all of us.

 

[MyBelle]

It's very heavily weaved intrinsically into our American Culture. You can't "monitor" culture. It just is. And it contributes to their socialization.

Certainly a parent can monitor their kids exposure to violence. Nothing about violence benefits a child's socialization.

JMO

 

[bt208]

You can not exclude that possibly home life being part of the equation here.

without putting the blame on these particular parents, I agree. Just as none of us can exclude the possibility of mental illness. We're all free to theorize, as long as we're not hurting someone in the process.

 

[Spice]

Certainly a parent can monitor their kids exposure to violence. Nothing about violence benefits a child's socialization.

JMO

Yes they can monitor what goes on in the home. But they cannot control or override the greater concept of American culture. We don't live solely in the bubbles of our homes. It just is and it is not created in a vacuum either. We create it, sustain it, and accept it.

It scares me how Americans (not you personally) are so resistant to criticizing the dark side of our Nation's culture. We are markedly violent, there is no denying that.

 

[Spice]

I wouldn't limit the culture of violence to America. It's a worldwide culture. Americans put way to much blame on their shoulders. It's on all of us.

I didn't limit it to America. But I am speaking of America. Look up statistics of violence , especially gun violence, in comparison to other Countries. You will be flabbergasted. Numbers do not lie. Quantitative data does not lie. It is what it is.

 

[blue22]

Certainly a parent can monitor their kids exposure to violence. Nothing about violence benefits a child's socialization.

JMO

Parents can do this, in a limited sense. They can mostly monitor what's in their home. Think about it. The average American 12 year old spends more time out of the home, than in. You can't monitor the world around them.

 

[LinasK]

Violence is heavily weaved intrinsically into our American Culture. You can't "monitor" culture, because you cannot turn it off. It just is. And it contributes to their socialization. We are all products of it. Each individual will process it and engage with it in their own way. It's also regional in America, each area and state in the Union has its own culture under the bigger Umbrella of American Culture. Its fascinating really. But no matter the region, America is obsessed with violence and glorifies it constantly.

For the most part I agree with you, but there are measures you can take in your own home to limit it- turn the TV off, don't watch the nightly news in front of your little ones. When my daughter was little, we would rely on the newspaper, or internet news, or listen to the car radio when she wasn't around to get our news, or there's the late news after the kids are in bed.
DVR the adult content shows and watch them after the kids are in bed. We still have a parental lock for the TV14 shows on our TV, even though DD just turned 13. Some mature shows we watch with her and can discuss them with her as to what's appropriate, but I never watch my crime shows in front of her.

 

[bt208]

I didn't limit it to America. But I am speaking of America. Look up statistics of violence , especially gun violence, in comparison to other Countries. You will be flabbergasted. Numbers do not lie. Data does not lie. It is what it is.

Not trying to challenge you but
Do you have links?

I would think it impossible to get accurate and honest world wide stats regarding violence.